What distinguishes a "Protestant?"
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You are not Jesus and Paul said the charismatic gifts would expire by the time John published the book of Revelation.
As I recall, I asked if you are UPC. You replied you are "UPC Code". I understood this as yes. So I feel as though you set me up to call me a liar in the end. But it matters not. Because you still believe the way they do on the most crucial point, the oneness doctrine, which separates you and they from historic Christianity. An relegates you into a cult classification by the rest of the Church.
You are "oneness" = modalism. If you honestly say you are trinitarian in the historic Christian sense of the term, I'll retract all that I've said so far.
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10) (KJV 1900)
“For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.” (1 John 5:4) (KJV 1900)
“We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” (1 John 5:18) (KJV 1900)
You mean...
Saying "something" about a man "is true" or "is not true"...
Depends on the mans "cooperation" with God?
And?
(if Joseph had not "cooperated" with God).....
what would that MAN (who said Joseph was good).....BE CALLED?
I quoted a scripture. You commented the opposite of what scripture said.
You offered YOUR reasoning "for YOUR opposition to Scripture."
Your reasoning was irrelevant.
The fact is, your comment was in opposition to Scripture.
Nothing in Scripture teaches to "UNDO" and teach the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what a Scripture says.
The particular Scripture says, Joseph was a good man......You flat out said he was not.
That simple.
As I recall you mentioned UPC.
I did not know what UPC was and looked it up.
What I found was:
UPC Universal Product Code
I responded with identifying UPC as
Universal Product Code.
I did not say, "I WAS" Universal Product Code.
Really?
You THOUGHT..
Universal Product Code
MEANT
United Pentacostal Church?
That's weird.
No. Actually post after post, I have clearly said...
You and I do not agree on MOST Everything.
I am not a fan of NAME TAGS.
Learn how to talk to people who disagree with you.
Be specific.
Don't talk FOR the other person.
You are OBVIOUSLY UNAWARE..."WORDS" and "ACRONYMS" .....DO NOT......mean the same things TO "ALL" people.
In the END? END of what?
Telling you REPEATEDLY to stop talking FOR ME? Yes
Telling you REPEATEDLY we do not Agree? Yes
Telling you REPEATEDLY to stop telling ME what I believe, and WHAT I follow, because what YOU KEEP SAYING IS NOT TRUE?
Ya....IN THE END...Flat out...I stopped telling you....and simply called you out for SPEAKING LIES about me.
Of course it matters....
It matters "IF" you learned to simply respond to others.....BY WHAT THEY SAY...NOT YOU Speaking "FOR THEM"....and then Disagreeing with WHAT YOU SAID "FOR THEM".
WHEN at ANY POINT, have I IDENTIFIED ANY people you call "THEY'.....OR at ANY POINT even mentioned ...
HUH?
I haven't.
That is what make you a liar. You mentioned those things. Then You start posting "I follow THEM"...."I believe THEIR beliefs"...
That is TWISTED Dave.
I have been EXPRESSLY CLEAR....I don't KNOW what they BELIEVE....so obviously I do not FOLLOW "THEM". I don't KNOW "WHAT THEIR DOCTRINE IS"....so obviously I do not AGREE with a DOCTRINE I do not know.
I have been EXPRESSLY CLEAR....
I DON"T CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE "FOLLOW" or Claim to CALL "THEMSELVES".
So WHY ARE "YOU" deciding WHAT I BELIEVE or FOLLOW?
And when I say, NO, what you are saying is not true.....YOU CONTINUE saying it?
And you want to BLAME ME...FOR YOU making FALSE Claims...FOR ME??
That's TWISTED DAVE...You are responsible for WHAT YOU SAY....I am not to blame when YOU open your mouth and MAKE FALSE CLAIMS for me. YOU ARE!
Really? Historic "according" TO WHO?
Some MEN, that YOU FOLLOW THEIR CREEDS?
Or Historic "according" TO Scripture of WHO was CALLED "a CHRISTIAN"?
Acts 11
[26] And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
And EXACTLY WHO Called the disciples "CHRISTIANS" ?
The Disciples themselves? No.
Other men? READ Acts 11, SEE WHO the disciples were PREACHING TO MEN "TO TURN TO AND FOLLOW" .... because the answer IS:
[20] And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.
[21] And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.
IN Scripture, MEN CALLED Christians, ARE men WHO...Heard the preaching of the Lord Jesus...and TURNED and FOLLOWED the Lord Jesus.
And YOU OPEN YOUR BIG YAP, and DECLARE, I do not FOLLOW the Lord Jesus....but rather FOLLOW MEN, that YOU have identified, NOT QUALIFIED TO be called A FOLLOWER of the Lord?
"WHO" exactly GAVE YOU the AUTHORITY "TO DICTATE" what other men FOLLOW and BELIEVE?
God? No
Other people? No
It is plainly OBVIOUS...YOU appointed YOURSELF as having AUTHORITY to DICTATE what other men FOLLOW and BELIEVE...
Thus is is YOU...who is blamed for SAYING your own words for other men....when they expressly tell you what you say IS FALSE.
No. That simply makes YOU a FALSE testifier, against me.
"The Church"..? What Church? The Catholic Church, that YOU might preach THEIR Doctrine?
A Protestant Church, that YOU might preach THEIR Doctrine?
Who cares? When DID I say EVER, that some brick and stick building WAS "MY CHURCH" ?
Oh RIGHT.....I didn't..
Did I ever IDENTIFY....MY Chruch?
Yes I DID....specifically saying MY Church is Christ Jesus' CHURCH.
Did I ever IDENTIFY....MY Doctrine?
Yes I DID...specifically saying MY Doctrine is Jesus' Doctrine.
SEE? While YOU have adopted (brick and stick buildings} AS YOUR CHURCH and follow the Doctrines MEN "they" have made for "those" (brick and stick buildings) AS YOUR DOCTRINE....
I have chosen to adopt CHRIST'S Church AS MY Chruch and follow the Doctrine of JESUS, AS MY Doctrine.
And every time YOU OPEN YOUR BIG MOUTH and say OTHERWISE....IT IS A LIE.
And Every time YOU OPEN YOUR BIG MOUTH and REPEAT YOUR false testimony....I WILL point my finger at you, and CALL YOU OUT.
That SIMPLE.
IF you do not LIKE being CALLED OUT...
STOP making FALSE CLAIMS FOR ME.
That SIMPLE.
I am quite capable of SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.
You want to disagree with me. Go ahead.
It means NOTHING TO ME.
I have NO desire or intentions of JOINING up with ANY man-made CHURCH....OR committing myself TO ANY man-made Doctrine.
I am QUITE CONTENT with Christ Jesus' CHURCH I have chosen to be JOINED WITH. And I am QUITE CONTENT with the DOCTRINE of Jesus, and to FOLLOW His Doctrine, as MY own.
If you do not LIKE what I have chosen....
Who cares? I certainly do not care what you like.
And I certainly DO NOT LIKE LIARS.
If you do not want to be CALLED a LIAR...then Don't BE a LIAR.
Taken
I feel as though you mislead me into thinking you are UPC.As I recall you mentioned UPC.
I did not know what UPC was and looked it up.
What I found was:
UPC Universal Product Code
I responded with identifying UPC as
Universal Product Code.
I did not say, "I WAS" Universal Product Code.
Really?
You THOUGHT..
Universal Product Code
MEANT
United Pentacostal Church?
No. Actually post after post, I have clearly said...
You and I do not agree on MOST Everything.
I am not a fan of NAME TAGS.
Learn how to talk to people who disagree with you.
Be specific.
Don't talk FOR the other person.
You are OBVIOUSLY UNAWARE..."WORDS" and "ACRONYMS" .....DO NOT......mean the same things TO "ALL" people.
In the END? END of what?
Telling you REPEATEDLY to stop talking FOR ME? Yes
Telling you REPEATEDLY we do not Agree? Yes
Telling you REPEATEDLY to stop telling ME what I believe, and WHAT I follow, because what YOU KEEP SAYING IS NOT TRUE?
Ya....IN THE END...Flat out...I stopped telling you....and simply called you out for SPEAKING LIES about me.
Of course it matters....
It matters "IF" you learned to simply respond to others.....BY WHAT THEY SAY...NOT YOU Speaking "FOR THEM"....and then Disagreeing with WHAT YOU SAID "FOR THEM".
WHEN at ANY POINT, have I IDENTIFIED ANY people you call "THEY'.....OR at ANY POINT even mentioned ...
HUH?
I haven't.
That is what make you a liar. You mentioned those things. Then You start posting "I follow THEM"...."I believe THEIR beliefs"...
That is TWISTED Dave.
I have been EXPRESSLY CLEAR....I don't KNOW what they BELIEVE....so obviously I do not FOLLOW "THEM". I don't KNOW "WHAT THEIR DOCTRINE IS"....so obviously I do not AGREE with a DOCTRINE I do not know.
I have been EXPRESSLY CLEAR....
I DON"T CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE "FOLLOW" or Claim to CALL "THEMSELVES".
So WHY ARE "YOU" deciding WHAT I BELIEVE or FOLLOW?
And when I say, NO, what you are saying is not true.....YOU CONTINUE saying it?
And you want to BLAME ME...FOR YOU making FALSE Claims...FOR ME??
That's TWISTED DAVE...You are responsible for WHAT YOU SAY....I am not to blame when YOU open your mouth and MAKE FALSE CLAIMS for me. YOU ARE!
Really? Historic "according" TO WHO?
Some MEN, that YOU FOLLOW THEIR CREEDS?
Or Historic "according" TO Scripture of WHO was CALLED "a CHRISTIAN"?
Acts 11
[26] And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
And EXACTLY WHO Called the disciples "CHRISTIANS" ?
The Disciples themselves? No.
Other men? READ Acts 11, SEE WHO the disciples were PREACHING TO MEN "TO TURN TO AND FOLLOW" .... because the answer IS:
[20] And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.
[21] And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.
IN Scripture, MEN CALLED Christians, ARE men WHO...Heard the preaching of the Lord Jesus...and TURNED and FOLLOWED the Lord Jesus.
And YOU OPEN YOUR BIG YAP, and DECLARE, I do not FOLLOW the Lord Jesus....but rather FOLLOW MEN, that YOU have identified, NOT QUALIFIED TO be called A FOLLOWER of the Lord?
"WHO" exactly GAVE YOU the AUTHORITY "TO DICTATE" what other men FOLLOW and BELIEVE?
God? No
Other people? No
It is plainly OBVIOUS...YOU appointed YOURSELF as having AUTHORITY to DICTATE what other men FOLLOW and BELIEVE...
Thus is is YOU...who is blamed for SAYING your own words for other men....when they expressly tell you what you say IS FALSE.
No. That simply makes YOU a FALSE testifier, against me.
"The Church"..? What Church? The Catholic Church, that YOU might preach THEIR Doctrine?
A Protestant Church, that YOU might preach THEIR Doctrine?
Who cares? When DID I say EVER, that some brick and stick building WAS "MY CHURCH" ?
Oh RIGHT.....I didn't..
Did I ever IDENTIFY....MY Chruch?
Yes I DID....specifically saying MY Church is Christ Jesus' CHURCH.
Did I ever IDENTIFY....MY Doctrine?
Yes I DID...specifically saying MY Doctrine is Jesus' Doctrine.
SEE? While YOU have adopted (brick and stick buildings} AS YOUR CHURCH and follow the Doctrines MEN "they" have made for "those" (brick and stick buildings) AS YOUR DOCTRINE....
I have chosen to adopt CHRIST'S Church AS MY Chruch and follow the Doctrine of JESUS, AS MY Doctrine.
And every time YOU OPEN YOUR BIG MOUTH and say OTHERWISE....IT IS A LIE.
And Every time YOU OPEN YOUR BIG MOUTH and REPEAT YOUR false testimony....I WILL point my finger at you, and CALL YOU OUT.
That SIMPLE.
IF you do not LIKE being CALLED OUT...
STOP making FALSE CLAIMS FOR ME.
That SIMPLE.
I am quite capable of SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.
You want to disagree with me. Go ahead.
It means NOTHING TO ME.
I have NO desire or intentions of JOINING up with ANY man-made CHURCH....OR committing myself TO ANY man-made Doctrine.
I am QUITE CONTENT with Christ Jesus' CHURCH I have chosen to be JOINED WITH. And I am QUITE CONTENT with the DOCTRINE of Jesus, and to FOLLOW His Doctrine, as MY own.
If you do not LIKE what I have chosen....
Who cares? I certainly do not care what you like.
And I certainly DO NOT LIKE LIARS.
If you do not want to be CALLED a LIAR...then Don't BE a LIAR.
Taken
LIE
Honesty? How about RELEVANCE...
That comment has NO RELEVANCE....until there is ANY proof....someone HAS CLAIMED TO "BE" a "trinitarian".
Since you are addressing me....
Go find somewhere, in any post, where I have made that CLAIM....THEN ask me about it.
Historic Christian sense?
I can not respond to that, since I do not know WHAT that means in your BRAIN....
So DEFINE what "historic Christand sense" means TO YOU.
Taken
Let's settle this. Are you willing? Here is a simple statement on the trinity. Do you agree the bible teaches this or not?
(1) There is only one God. (2) The Father is God. (3) The Son is God. (4) The Holy Spirit is God. (5) The Father is not the Son. (6) The Son is the not the Holy Spirit. (7) The Holy Spirit is not the Father.
Really?
By repeatedly telling you, I have no interst in what they think, do, believe?
Sorry dude I am not responsible for your inability to understand.
I really don't understand what ppl's attitudes to the Scriptures are if they now rely on supposedly permanent 'sign gifts'.
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You keep repeating the same verses – without a CLUE as to what they mean.
When you read them in CONTEXT with the other verses like Rom. 7:7-25, James 5:16 and 1 John 1:8 - you can see that it does NOT refer to a Christian stumbling in sin. It refers to returning to a LIFE of willful sin.
The more you try to pit Scripture against itself – the more you will fall FLAT on your face . . .
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Joseph was considered “good” because of his relationship with God.
There was nothing inherently good about him or anybody else.
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I was talking about your twisting of Scripture to invent doctrine – and perpetuate BAD doctrine . . ..
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How is what I sad the "opposite" of Scripture??
Do you even understand what "opposite" means??
Is it honest or honorable to tell people what they believe, when they have never said they did?
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