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so I can take this as you cannot produce the scriptures to support your creed?.If your theory does not align with the creed, you do not understand Christ and misrepresent him.
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so I can take this as you cannot produce the scriptures to support your creed?.If your theory does not align with the creed, you do not understand Christ and misrepresent him.
I have plenty of scripture that falls on your deaf ears. So I'm taking the opportunity to present clear precise statements that show your errors according to the Christian Church throughout history. Thanks for the opportunity.so I can take this as you cannot produce the scriptures to support your creed?.
PICJAG.
that's all I asked for ... scripture, well just post one to each question.I have plenty of scripture that falls on your deaf ears. So I'm taking the opportunity to present clear precise statements that show your errors according to the Christian Church throughout history. Thanks for the opportunity.
I'll give you something more useful under the conditions. If you want to try to refute any of the creeds, have at it. They still survive unrefuted.that's all I asked for ... scripture, well just post one to each question.
Thanks in advance
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ok if you do not want answer the original question, here, so be it, then I'll ask my other original question since you said the Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct persons.The Athanasian Creed puts it this way: “Now this is the catholic [universal] faith: That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons, nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another, and that of the Holy Spirit, still another. But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.”
“All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created.” (John 1:3) (HCSB)ok if you do not want answer the original question, here, so be it, then I'll ask my other original question since you said the Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct persons.
Is the Person in John 1:3 the same "DISTINCT" (smile) person in Isaiah 44:22? yes or no.
PICJAG.
if you notice I made that correction, Isaiah 44:24 instead of Isaiah 44:22, but still with that it's still the same PERSON in John 1:3 for it was the LORD the son JESUS who "blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions", supportive scripture, Galatians 3:13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree". and did not Isaiah 44:22 say? "I redeemed you" ... LOL, see Dave even in my mistake you still are in ERROR... lol.“All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created.” (John 1:3) (HCSB)
“I have swept away your transgressions like a cloud, and your sins like a mist. Return to Me, for I have redeemed you.” (Isaiah 44:22) (HCSB)
We've been through this before. All three members of the Godhead speak. But since John calls the Son the Word of God, it is probably the eternal Son speaking before the incarnation of the Son of man. The Son of Man being of human body and soul. But being the triune God in Spirit. In line which Chalcedon provided above.
As I said, the eternal Son, who existed forever, and before the incarnation, is more than likely the one speaking. Since John calls the eternal Word of God the Son. Jesus Christ is the NT version of YAHWEH and the name assigned to the incarnate Son we call Jesus Christ.if you notice I made that correction, Isaiah 44:24 instead of Isaiah 44:22, but still with that it's still the same PERSON in John 1:3 for it was the LORD the son JESUS who "blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions", supportive scripture, Galatians 3:13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree". and did not Isaiah 44:22 say? "I redeemed you" ... LOL, see Dave even in my mistake you still are in ERROR... lol.
Now back to my origional Question. Is the Person in John 1:3 the same "DISTINCT" Person in Isaiah 44:24 lol. your answer please.
PICJAG.
now dave don't take this for an argument ok, but understand that the one speaking is the ONLY one who is IMMORTAL, meaning the ONLY one with eternal life. supportive Scripture, 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen". read that scripture again, for it is speaking of the Lord Jesus, the son.As I said, the eternal Son, who existed forever, and before the incarnation, is more than likely the one speaking. Since John calls the eternal Word of God the Son. Jesus Christ is the NT version of YAHWEH and the name assigned to the incarnate Son we call Jesus Christ.
God is immortal. And he consists of three immortal persons eternally.now dave don't take this for an argument ok, but understand that the one speaking is the ONLY one who is IMMORTAL, meaning the ONLY one with eternal life. supportive Scripture, 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen". read that scripture again, for it is speaking of the Lord Jesus, the son.
think for a minute dave, no argument, but just think, if the Lord Jesus is the ONLY one with immortality, where do that leave the one whom you calls the Father the FIRST person in your trinity, the distinct person from the Lord Jesus whom you call the Son as a separate and distinct person? just think about that.
immortality: the ability to live forever; eternal life.
and he's the ONLY ONE who have it, just reason that out. no argument please, just think.
PICJAG.
PS please read this post again.
sorry dave, That destroys your trinity. For if each of your person is “CO-EQUAL?” but only ONE has Eternal life. you do know what "ONLY" means ... right. then #1. They are not co-equal. Two of the three is not everlasting. and if one was begotten “eternal” that don’t make any since, for one cannot be begotten, from eternity, for it is a perpetuity, meaning it have no beginning, and no end. So as to say the Son is eternally begotten is a false statement, and ANTI-BIBLE, meaning anti-Christ.God is immortal. And he consists of three immortal persons eternally.
“That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.” (1 Timothy 6:14–16) (KJV 1900)sorry dave, That destroys your trinity. For if each of your person is “CO-EQUAL?” but only ONE has Eternal life. you do know what "ONLY" means ... right. then #1. They are not co-equal. Two of the three is not everlasting. and if one was begotten “eternal” that don’t make any since, for one cannot be begotten, from eternity, for it is a perpetuity, meaning it have no beginning, and no end. So as to say the Son is eternally begotten is a false statement, and ANTI-BIBLE, meaning anti-Christ.
dave 1 Timothy 6:16 blows your creed, and doctrine of men out of the water forever.
ONLY means one PERSON, and 1 Timothy 6:16 is speaking of ONLY one PERSON.
PICJAG.
remember your doctrine states he's separate and distinct, meaning the one whom you call FATHER is not an eternal being. see. dave your doctrine has gotten you in a bind. dave, listen and understand, all the fullness, not them but HIM and his Glory, as the diversity is now ASSIMILATED in ONE BODY. listen, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.“That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.” (1 Timothy 6:14–16) (KJV 1900)
And Jesus Christ = the triune God.
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” (Colossians 2:9) (KJV 1900)
Distinct as a person but of ONE spiritual essence with the Father and Holy Spirit.remember your doctrine states he's separate and distinct, meaning the one whom you call FATHER is not an eternal being. see. dave your doctrine has gotten you in a bind. dave, listen and understand, all the fullness, not them but HIM and his Glory, as the diversity is now ASSIMILATED in ONE BODY. listen, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
FULL, FULL, FULL, FULL, that's the fullness in that body now, read John 1:14 again. my, my ,my, when will they learn.
dave the scriptures said he is the ONLY ONE, 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen".Distinct as a person but of ONE spiritual essence with the Father and Holy Spirit.
God = Jesus Christ. God is a trinity of persons.dave the scriptures said he is the ONLY ONE, 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen".
Who is not them. case closed on the ONE. sorry dave your doctrine is faleas well as your creed.
PICJAG.
LOOK don't argue with me, argue with God the Holy Spirit, the Father .... JESUS...
this is too easy.
ERROR, God =JESUS "ONLY" who holds the title "Father" without flesh, and the title "Son" with flesh....God = Jesus Christ. God is a trinity of persons.
YAHWEH = Jesus Christ in the NT. God is a trinity of persons.ERROR, God =JESUS "ONLY" who holds the title "Father" without flesh, and the title "Son" with flesh....
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as Gamaliel said, Acts 5:38 "And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
Acts 5:39 "But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God..........
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