farouk
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The Biblical witness for God in Three Persons is overwhelming; see John's Gospel, esp.chapters 13-17; Romans 8, end of Matthew 28; John's First Epistle, etc.
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The Biblical witness for God in Three Persons is overwhelming; see John's Gospel, esp.chapters 13-17; Romans 8, end of Matthew 28; John's First Epistle, etc.
And I am certainly not denying this; but am emphasizing the fact that there is still only one God.The Biblical witness for God in Three Persons is overwhelming; see John's Gospel, esp.chapters 13-17; Romans 8, end of Matthew 28; John's First Epistle, etc.
One God in Three Persons; Three Persons in One God.And I am certainly not denying this; but am emphasizing the fact that there is still only one God.
Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are the same Spirit, the same Lord, and the same God (1 Corinthians 12:4-6).
It would be that there are three individuals indwelt by the same Spirit; except each one of those individuals is the one Spirit that is God.Trinity means tri-unity, three individuals in the unity of one.
It would be that there are three individuals indwelt by the same Spirit; except each one of those individuals is the one Spirit that is God.
Oh...okay...three Gods then...God is not physical, therefore not indwelt.
Three completely different individuals.
Oh...okay...three Gods then...
No; three Persons, one God.Three Persons who are the same Person/God.
No; three Persons, one God.
I have given evidence for the truth of the matter in previous posts; therefore if you are not convinced by the scriptures I have shown forth, then we will have to agree to disagree.
I do not know that it is an essential issue, except for the fact that it is the truth and I think that anyone in their right minds will want to believe in the truth.
If, on the other hand, you are secretly pandering to the idea of three Gods and do not understand how the three Persons in the Trinity are absolutely one, then that would make you a Tritheist and therefore outside the realm of true orthodoxy.
Isaiah 9:6 is a key verse for your understanding. I know that certain people twist that verse by changing the wording not once but twice in order to get it to say what they want it to say: I would just encourage you to take it at face value.
The name of the son that is given shall be called among other things the everlasting Father; and the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall perform this. Isaiah 9:6-7.
I would encourage you to consider the Oneness of the Lord to the exclusion of His threeness and to meditate on that aspect of His Triune nature; so that you can understand the one aspect of the Triunity of the Lord.
In other words, set aside for a moment your understanding of the distinctions between the members of the Trinity so that you can understand His Oneness better.
Sometimes you have to look at the picture from a different angle in order to see what you have been missing all along.
Love in Christ,
justbyfaith.
Yet, when you do the same with the term "Lord" it is a little different. The fact that there is one Lord means that there is one who is ruling. And therefore when it says that there is one Lord, there can only be one Lord, not three-in-one (although that is the conclusion I ultimately come to).there is no contradiction in the oneness of God, meaning his unity, while upholding his Trinity.
You need to learn the meaning of uniplural, which is in the Old Testament multiple times. And that Elohim means three persons in a unity of one God.
So you can quote all the verses you want talking about one God and none of them deny Trinity.
In the declaring that I have one cluster of grapes, or one bunch of bananas, the adjective/noun cluster or bunch is singular but you cannot help but make the noun bananas or grapes plural.You need to learn the meaning of uniplural, which is in the Old Testament multiple times. And that Elohim means three persons in a unity of one God.
It ought to go without saying that I don't deny that God is one: Scripture teaches it. There are also Three Divine Persons, which Scripture also teaches.I have given evidence for the truth of the matter in previous posts; therefore if you are not convinced by the scriptures I have shown forth, then we will have to agree to disagree.
I do not know that it is an essential issue, except for the fact that it is the truth and I think that anyone in their right minds will want to believe in the truth.
If, on the other hand, you are secretly pandering to the idea of three Gods and do not understand how the three Persons in the Trinity are absolutely one, then that would make you a Tritheist and therefore outside the realm of true orthodoxy.
Isaiah 9:6 is a key verse for your understanding. I know that certain people twist that verse by changing the wording not once but twice in order to get it to say what they want it to say: I would just encourage you to take it at face value.
The name of the son that is given shall be called among other things the everlasting Father; and the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall perform this. Isaiah 9:6-7.
I would encourage you to consider the Oneness of the Lord to the exclusion of His threeness and to meditate on that aspect of His Triune nature; so that you can understand the one aspect of the Triunity of the Lord.
In other words, set aside for a moment your understanding of the distinctions between the members of the Trinity so that you can understand His Oneness better.
Sometimes you have to look at the picture from a different angle in order to see what you have been missing all along.
Love in Christ,
justbyfaith.
In the declaring that I have one cluster of grapes, or one bunch of bananas, the adjective/noun cluster or bunch is singular but you cannot help but make the noun bananas or grapes plural.
If you apply this to God you cannot help but say that there is one bunch or cluster of Gods.
Plurality of GodIt would be like, if you could take a banana without a peel, put a peel on it, but somehow the banana without a peel continues to exist as a distinct banana from the banana with a peel. Then you unpeel the 2nd banana, but it also retains its existence as a banana with a peel; and the 3rd banana without a peel has all the experience of having had a peel and shedding that peel. This is the difference between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and how they are distinct...but you have to delve into the supernatural to be able to comprehend how all three bananas are the same banana.