An Ode for the looming Brexit situation in Great Britain?

[Butterfly]

From: Truth, lies and Tony Blair's third way

"I have always found it almost impossible to accept that Mr Campbell "inserted" the 45-minute claim into the September dossier, because interfering with hard information about the real world is not his thing.

The real world itself is not his thing. He is not a man for acting on the concrete stuff of empirical existence. He and his alter ego, Tony Blair, scarcely impact on the world at all: they are ghostly presences who live in a parallel universe of illusion, of what seems to be rather than of what is.

In this realm of Appearance, the test of what is true is not, "Can it be verified by physical proof?", but "Does it sound convincing?" What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened."

Janet Daley, 'Truth, lies and Tony Blair's Third Way'.

So the grim moral is, as regards opinions voiced on Brexit also, don't be surprised if a similar approach is taken.

I think some of that could describe many leaders, past and present, this side of the pond and the other side of it !!!!

 

[Butterfly]

WW2 etc where just a works of man and God has no part of such, but Satan is in the detail.
Until the people Become Born again and know the works of Satan, Satan will keep misleading all.
Jesus Christ is the only way, he is our Lord and Saviour, people must understand that and come to him only.
Carnal man is a slave to sin and has no hope as he is lost and under the power of Satan.

So do you not believe that Those already born again can equally be misled and used by Satan himself ?
Rita

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

So do you not believe that Those already born again can equally be misled and used by Satan himself ?
Rita

When one becomes Born Again one only truly starts to grow.
So the works of Satan has the upper hand, but Jesus had the upper hand on the Devil and his works because such perception of knowing of all such Satanic works. the more closer one comes to Jesus the more perception one can have as to such workings.
Jesus was not tempted at all, but if we truly follow Jesus Christ we shall not be easy led into such temptations.
A closer walk with thee the more content I will be.

 

[Butterfly]

Thanks for the response response Reggie, helps to understand what you said in context. Jesus was tempted, but not tempted to give into the temptation ( pretty sure that's what you meant )

I think it is a learning curve, but I equally believe that you have to have an openness as well with regards to internal conflicts. How many Christians take offence, get angry at what people say and do, and then react accordingly. What about internal hurts, pain that can be hit by one word from someone, this can make us react internally and lose confidence, withdraw and detach. Outwardly we may not give into the many temptations that exist in this world, but inside we may very well be allowing Satan an upper hand. We respond to others , often based on what we are feeling, and often cause offence , hurt , conflict , division , discourse ect ( all things that Satan desires ) while often feeling completely justified and not even aware that we are playing into the game.
I do agree that walking close to Jesus , being alert ect does prevent so much, but how many Christians truly learn to ' hold every thought captive to the Lord ' - it's not an easy thing to master at times !
I guess my point is that it's very easy to be complacent and totally believe we are not giving Satan a foothold, when the reality is so different. You only have to look into the threads on this forum at times to see that happening !!!!
Right I need to get to work - have a blessed day
Value prayer for the situation at Gatwick airport , so many people affected by the stupid selfish actions of people controlling the drone that has brought the airport to a standstill for two days.
Rita

 

[farouk]

Thanks for the response response Reggie, helps to understand what you said in context. Jesus was tempted, but not tempted to give into the temptation ( pretty sure that's what you meant )

I think it is a learning curve, but I equally believe that you have to have an openness as well with regards to internal conflicts. How many Christians take offence, get angry at what people say and do, and then react accordingly. What about internal hurts, pain that can be hit by one word from someone, this can make us react internally and lose confidence, withdraw and detach. Outwardly we may not give into the many temptations that exist in this world, but inside we may very well be allowing Satan an upper hand. We respond to others , often based on what we are feeling, and often cause offence , hurt , conflict , division , discourse ect ( all things that Satan desires ) while often feeling completely justified and not even aware that we are playing into the game.
I do agree that walking close to Jesus , being alert ect does prevent so much, but how many Christians truly learn to ' hold every thought captive to the Lord ' - it's not an easy thing to master at times !
I guess my point is that it's very easy to be complacent and totally believe we are not giving Satan a foothold, when the reality is so different. You only have to look into the threads on this forum at times to see that happening !!!!
Right I need to get to work - have a blessed day
Value prayer for the situation at Gatwick airport , so many people affected by the stupid selfish actions of people controlling the drone that has brought the airport to a standstill for two days.
Rita

Gatwick: Showing the Continentals that Britain is open for business, right?

 

[Butterfly]

Gatwick: Showing the Continentals that Britain is open for business, right?

Not sure what you mean Farouk!
The airport opened yesterday, thankfully , and two people have been arrested. It will be interesting to find out who they are and why they chose to disrupt the airport !
Rita

 

[farouk]

Not sure what you mean Farouk!
The airport opened yesterday, thankfully , and two people have been arrested. It will be interesting to find out who they are and why they chose to disrupt the airport !
Rita

I guess I heard more than one reason why the airport shut down...

 

[Butterfly]

Really, not sure there would be another reason as the airlines and airport lost a lot of money due to the closure. What other reason did you hear of ?
Rita

 

[farouk]

Really, not sure there would be another reason as the airlines and airport lost a lot of money due to the closure. What other reason did you hear of ?
Rita

I heard there were strikes. Maybe I misread the reports. Over here the UK used to have quite a reputation for strikes. (Max Hastings in his book on Churchill as a war leader says that there were even more strikes in vital aircraft factories during World War Two than during the 1930s...)

 

[Butterfly]

Oh, I see. No there has been no mention of strikes at the airport. Usually this is reported quite openely.
Yes, we do still have strikes. Much depends on whether there is a union in place, years ago much of industry had unions to fight for the rights of the employees. I remember vividly the minors strikes back in the 70's. We still have train strikes, that's been ongoing for sometime as there are issues with staffing the trains.
I am not sure there are as many trade unions now, also contracts with employees give many the right to fire someone if they refuse to work - if I was to walk out of the care home because I disagreed ect I could lose my job instantly.
Doctors, nurses, firemen, dustmen, still have unions and have striked, but usually for good reason. I think our local bus service went on strike earlier this year, just for a day- it's often the only way to management to listen !
Rita

 

[farouk]

Oh, I see. No there has been no mention of strikes at the airport. Usually this is reported quite openely.
Yes, we do still have strikes. Much depends on whether there is a union in place, years ago much of industry had unions to fight for the rights of the employees. I remember vividly the minors strikes back in the 70's. We still have train strikes, that's been ongoing for sometime as there are issues with staffing the trains.
I am not sure there are as many trade unions now, also contracts with employees give many the right to fire someone if they refuse to work - if I was to walk out of the care home because I disagreed ect I could lose my job instantly.
Doctors, nurses, firemen, dustmen, still have unions and have striked, but usually for good reason. I think our local bus service went on strike earlier this year, just for a day- it's often the only way to management to listen !
Rita

In 1981, when the US air traffic controllers went on strike, President Reagan said, Go back to work. When they didn't he fired them all.

Some US states have 'at will' provisions, i.e., employers can dispense with their employees when they wish, pretty well.

 

[farouk]

I like the video in the OP anyway..

 

[Butterfly]

As I write it is 15mins to the new year here in the UK - I guess 2019 will begin with Brexit , Theresa May has already used the New Years speech to persuade people to accept her deal..........
one year closes, and a new one begins ..... Right I am switching over to watch Big Ben strike midnight , enjoy your new year celebrations xx
All the best for 2019 xx
Rita xx

 

[farouk]

I do think the video in the OP does give a poignant expression to the situation in Britain now...some of us don't recognize the country now from the way we may have known it.

 

[Butterfly]

Countries change all the time, each generation and progression will automatically bring about new issues, problems, alteration. It can change for the better and worse, look back to Victorian Britain , or the Middle Ages - wouldn't want to live in either of those times !! Lol
Do I like the changes I have seen in my own lifetime, not all of them. I guess I grew up in the best eras as I was born in the decade that World War II came to an end. It was a positive time and things were developing for the good with the NHS beginning, social care and housing - work was also their when I left school- you could leave one job and find another one straight away.

The Queen has now spoken out about Brexit, and called for unity within the parties - not sure how it is all working out, or where we are with it all. The prime minister has survived another vote of no confidence from the opposition - but her deal was rejected.
I think the every day person on the street is totally fed up with it all -

Did you use to live over here Farouk ?
Rita

 

[mjrhealth]

Well its like this, leave which as we can all see is bringing the wrath of the NWO upon it, or stay, in which case as God put it back in the OT.

1Sa 8:11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
1Sa 8:12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
1Sa 8:13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
1Sa 8:14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
1Sa 8:15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
1Sa 8:16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
1Sa 8:17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
1Sa 8:18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.

it wont be Britain any more

 

[farouk]

Countries change all the time, each generation and progression will automatically bring about new issues, problems, alteration. It can change for the better and worse, look back to Victorian Britain , or the Middle Ages - wouldn't want to live in either of those times !! Lol
Do I like the changes I have seen in my own lifetime, not all of them. I guess I grew up in the best eras as I was born in the decade that World War II came to an end. It was a positive time and things were developing for the good with the NHS beginning, social care and housing - work was also their when I left school- you could leave one job and find another one straight away.

The Queen has now spoken out about Brexit, and called for unity within the parties - not sure how it is all working out, or where we are with it all. The prime minister has survived another vote of no confidence from the opposition - but her deal was rejected.
I think the every day person on the street is totally fed up with it all -

Did you use to live over here Farouk ?
Rita

I have lived in a number of countries; spent quite a while in Britain.

Seems as if people on both sides of the Brexit viewpoint are trying to borrow The Queen's general statements as obliquely supporting their views...

 

[farouk]

Yesterday the British Cabinet met, with a few weeks to go, before Brexit day.

In typically British style, when they met yesterday, it was reported that ministers didn't actually get round to discussing Brexit...

 

[farouk]

Typically British: If you can't agree on something, just avoid talking about it and maybe it will just go away...

 

[Helen]

Typically British: If you can't agree on something, just avoid talking about it and maybe it will just go away...

Well in England...drinking tea is the first order of any meeting!