Why Christians Should Believe Noah's Flood

[JesusIsFaithful]

If there was a literal flood, it would have to be so magical, it may as well be a fictional account. Our rational minds cannot understand it based on everything we know about reality. Therefore, if it is an important story, which I believe it is, then why emphasize the least important aspect? Trying to force a magical account into the laws of nature we know to be true is a waste of time - not to mention taking away from the miraculous parts!

All those unproven hypothesis building up on one another that makes up the theory of evolution ( which is really macroevolution and not micro evolution because that term "microevolution" was stolen from the Law of Biogenesis to FORCE a magical account of gradual macroevolution to be believable when it cannot be observed by anyone let alone proven. Can additional genetic information can come out of nowhere to be added to a living organism? No. So if spontaneous generation cannot happen before our very eyes, why is it believable that it can happen outside of our observation?

Stephen Jay Gould, an evolutionist, and some other leading "scientists" today are going with the proposed "Punctuated Equilibrium" or "Rapid Macroevolution" because there is too huge a gap of transitional fossils in the fossil record for gradual macroevolution to be true. Gould theorized that there had to be an explosion in the fossil record which he assume occurred in the "Precambrian or Cambrian period" for which I forgot which he said but then he can't really prove either one anyway if you think about it because he is doing away with the evolutionary geographical time table.

Gould also said that a global flood had to tap that capacity. Now if he just realize he is getting rid of the evolutionary geographical time table, he would be seeing evidence of the Biblical global flood, but because of that unproven time table, scientist will always look at evidence in that false light.

So let's get back to the Bible.

Did the Jews laughed at Jesus for referring to Noah's flood as a a valid historical evidence of God's judgment on the earth to take His warning them about a future judgment from God on the earth involving fire to repent or else? No, they did not. They did not laugh at Him saying Noah's flood was just a story and belittle Him for even making a case for why they should believe God will judge the world by fire.

It is the same scenerio as a primitive person describing an airplane, but in reverse. Explaining the Noah story using the framework of science shows our blindness, fails to convince rational people that it actually happened, while missing the important point that God loves humanity despite our shortcomings.

Using Noah's story is not showing Jesus, the Son of God, being blind. It just shows how mankind can forget God's work just as the nation of Israel had done through out her history in the O.T. And Satan is using the unproven evolution theory to with hold the truth about the evidence of the global flood. Macroevolution or the evolution theory is a false science.

You can go online and check for the definitions of microevolution and macrevolution in dictionaries and universities web sites and find some keep the two definitions separate, some mix them together while a few almost sound like they are the same. You will find some will say both gradual macroevolution and rapid macroevolution are both true when they cannot both be true when one was proposed because gradual macroevolution CANNOT be true.

They are even backpeddling on the "fact" about birds evolving from dinosaurs to say now that dinosaurs evolved from birds. All of these "facts" are unproven hypothesis in a series of unproven hypothesis that makes up the evolution theory. Between the never changing Bible & always changing evolution theory, you want to believe it has to be magical to force Noah's story into science when it is that false science is why you do not believe the Noah's story.

Jesus believed Noah's story. You should too if you wish to take His warning to be ready to avoid what is coming on the earth.

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[OzSpen]

What "rest of humanity?" ?

The world was not populated until after the Tower Of Babel.
At that point, when the languages were divided...then they scattered and migrated. Not before.

BG,

You are correct and I was wrong. The population spread to the East after the languages were 'confused' - many languages instead of one. It's interesting how the story of the Tower of Babel begins in Gen 11:1 (NIV), 'Now the whole world had one language and a common speech'.

The 'whole world' of people was a limited world until Babel: 'That is why it was called Babel —because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth' (Gen 6:9 NIV). The NIV footnote for Babel is: 'That is, Babylon; Babel sounds like the Hebrew for confused'.

So, in spite of people being in a limited area until after the floor, the Lord said, 'I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish' (Gen 6:17 NIV).

Thank you so much for correcting me. You were alert to my error.

Blessings,
Oz

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

And there were giants in the earth in those days.....

While science fumble around in the dark with their errant dating methods ( example, a living mollusk was carbon dated as 2,300 years old dead, but shh shh.. don't tell any one or they will not take stock in our favorites evolutionary dating results ** note my sarcasm ) if we can lean on the Lord, we can see evidence of giant people as before the Noah's flood.

Excerpts taken from this link below when you scroll down to the red heading of "Age of the White Haired Giants"

Ancient America

"Aztec and Toltec history identifies that 17,608 years ago was the beginning of "The Age of the First Sun" or the "Age of White Haired Giants", or in Inca history - the Age of Viracochas - the “White and Bearded Gods”. According to European archaeology, Cro Magnon man was quite tall, had pale skin, blonde hair and was capable of growing beards. It sounds to me like cultures on either side of the Atlantic are describing the same breed of man.

Archaeological finds in America appear to confirm the existence of very tall people being the base layer of the Native American cultures.

A skeleton estimated as being 10,000 years old was found in the ‘tomb of Palli Aike' in Tierra del Fuego in 1969-70 and has been identified as Cro-Magnon, which indicates that these people also spread to South America.

In the book, The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee, author John Haywood describes; "very large" bones in stone graves found in Williamson County, Tennessee, in 1821. In White County, Tennessee, an "ancient fortification" contained skeletons of gigantic stature averaging at least 7 feet in length.

In February and June of 1931, large skeletons were found in the Humboldt lake bed near Lovelock, Nevada. The first of these two skeletons found measured 8 1/2 feet tall and appeared to have been wrapped in a gum-covered fabric similar to the Egyptian manner. The second skeleton was almost 10 feet long.(Review - Miner, June 19, 1931).

George W. Hill, M.D., dug out a skeleton "of unusual size" in a mound of Ashland County, Ohio. In 1879, a nine-foot, eight-inch skeleton was excavated from a mound near Brewersville, Indiana(Indianapolis News, Nov 10, 1975)

In 1875 workmen were constructing a bridge near the mouth of Paw Paw Creek at Rivesville. While digging through heavy clay soil they were astonished to uncover three giant skeletons strands of reddish hair clinging to the skulls. A local doctor was called to examine the remains and was able ascertain after careful measurement, the skeletons had supported people approximately 8 feet tall.

Just as black haired Greeks had an earlier past of taller blonde and red haired people (the Titans), so did the Amerindians."

You can find other topics there, but read with His discernment. I'm betting in the days of Peleg when that one land continent was divided by what is the Atlantic Ocean today, they knew people were on the other continents and had sea travel there as well. Just because there is no record of it, it doesn't mean there wasn't any. At that site, one article reported that there was evidence that after the Bronze Age, the trade routes were abandoned and thus forgotten over time. People probably figured it wasn't worth the sea travel when confronting with more important timely issues.

Anyway, science and historians will never figure it all out as long as they look down on the Bible for the truth in His words about our origins.

 

[Helen]

It's interesting how the story of the Tower of Babel begins in Gen 11:1 (NIV), 'Now the whole world had one language and a common speech'.

And it seems to me that right now in this world every thing has reverted to
"one Language" right back to where it started.
The language everyone speaks ..sex, greed, and anything anti God.
Any country...it is the 'same language' that is agreed upon...

 

[OzSpen]

And it seems to me that right now in this world every thing has reverted to
"one Language" right back to where it started.
The language everyone speaks ..sex, greed, and anything anti God.
Any country...it is the 'same language' that is agreed upon...

ByGrace,

You know that 'one language' of Gen 11 was one language of speech and not the symbolic language of the sinfulness for which you gave examples.

Oz

 

[Triumph1300]

I was thinking about following a course in Esperanto.
Just for fun.
Might even start posting on this forum.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

At any rate, believers should be praying to the Lord Jesus Christ at that throne of grace for help in discerning iniquities to depart from them as well as helping them to have a willingness to leave their lives and loved ones behind into His hands when the Bridegroom comes. So pray today, like now, and trust Him to deliver you from every evil work and present you faultless as a vessel unto honor at the Marriage Supper which is also to His glory. Amen.

 

[Helen]

ByGrace,

You know that 'one language' of Gen 11 was one language of speech and not the symbolic language of the sinfulness for which you gave examples.

Oz

Haha! Dah!...Yes I did know that...I may look stupid but don't be fooled, I am not quite as stupid as I look .

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Interesting opener.
I actually didn't know that some Christians did not believe in the flood!
I just know that some say it was localized in the middle eastern area.
Others say it was world wide.
But, why would God flood the whole world, when there when it had not been peopled yet?
Im not sure which is right... and probably it doesn't really matter anyway.

Frankly we don't know how far humans had spread over the Earth in Noah's time.Granted it wasn't populated as today, but can we honestly say we know for a fact there were no humans anywhere except in the middle East?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

When God created land on the third day, it was one continent back in Noah's days.

After the flood, when time had passed, the waters from the deep that had been forced to the surface by asteroid impacts, forming the mid-Atlantic Ridge, had left a huge pocket under the earth that eventually, the weight of the earth dropped, dividing the earth in Peleg's days.

Genesis 10:And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

The region that is the Atlantic Ocean was once land and that is how we got the many different continents today was because of the sinking of the land.

It sounds like you are saying that the Flood caused the Earth to divide into the continents we see today and using Genesis 10:25 to support that, but if this is what you are saying you can't use Genesis 10: 25 to back that up because Genesis 10:25 is talking of the people being divided by lanuage when God confused thier lanuage. Peleg lived in that time the Earth lanuage was confused.

 

[waterlilyoflife]

In science, they say the continents were once stuck together, called pangaea. The flood would separate the continents and make the oceans deep, the Atlantic, and Pacific, the Artic ocean, Indian and I can't remember the others. I think this is how the oceans came to be, and why the continets are separated. The continents of Europe, Africa and Asia are tightly connected, with the small Mediteranean sea in between them. I was going to write a fantasy story where mermaids come from people drowned in Noah's flood, Noah and his fmaily prayed for them, and they were swallowed by large oyster shells and turned into pearl "eggs" They suffered inside the pearls, being recreated like caterpillars changing into butterflies in a cocoon. When God sent Jonah to preach to Ninevah, and he was swallowed by a "big fish", it was a whale shark that swallowed him. Whale sharks are fish, they are sharks with smooth scales that breath water and turn it into oxygen. But instead of sharp teeth, they have baleen teeth like wales, and they suck in large amounts of sea water, bringing in krill and shrimp, and other small creatures, then they realease the water through their brush like baleen teeth. The water goes out, but the krill, shrimp and other little crustaceans and small sea animals stay in to be swallowed and disolved by the whale sharks who are both whales and sharks. I think perhaps Jonah was in the mediteranean sea, but maybe God took him out and into the Atlantic ocean, maybe he was in the belly of a whale shark. Anyway, Jonah witnessed to the eggs in the oyster shells, and they came out as merpeople, and were very grateful to the Lord and to Jonah. They built the Church of the Lord of the Ocean out of rocks, seashells, coral, and pearls to honor God. This church was in an undersea city. The good merpeople realized they had to be faithful to God, pray and obey him and do what's right or they could suffer from something worse.
I thought about making mermaids ugly, but maybe that could be the first generations. Maybe the second generation could be pretty, like Disney's Ariel.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

It sounds like you are saying that the Flood caused the Earth to divide into the continents we see today and using Genesis 10:25 to support that, but if this is what you are saying you can't use Genesis 10: 25 to back that up because Genesis 10:25 is talking of the people being divided by lanuage when God confused thier lanuage. Peleg lived in that time the Earth lanuage was confused.

Genesis 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

The earth being divided is a separate event from when the people were divided by the language barrier.

Remember, the people were huddling all around Babylon, sticking to one area. Then God confused the language to spread them outward. Then the earth was divided.

If you consider the fountains of the deep, the mid-Atlantic Ridge was formed by by the fountains coming up from the deep which can be assumed to be the means by which God had watered the whole one land earth by that mist.

Since there are evidence of an asteroid impact off the coast of Nova Scotia, we can surmise that such an impact, along with all the other ones on the earth, and the craters from impacts on the moon, all had occurred at the time of the Flood. It would explain the gradual moving away of the moon from the earth as such an impact would rise the tide and condense the list to form rain clouds for the first time to rain on the earth. Add tsunamis and earthquakes and super volcanoes, we can see how the first and only ice age had been brought on during and after the Flood. The many ice layers would be developed within a very short time due to the chaotic weather changes from such a calamity.

The asteroid impact would force the water from the fountains of the deep to the surface, adding to the deluge. Now what happens when all that excess water runs off into the Marianne Trench where science recently announced the discovery of an ocean near the earth's core? What about that void under the earth where all that water was that the fountains of the deep originally watered the whole earth by that mist? The weight of the land would cause it to collapse.

Since God had spread them out to cover the whole earth, it stands to reason that the collapse of the one land continent had occurred afterwards.

Yeah... that ice bridge by how native man crossed over to America following game is looking more ridiculous as I think about it.

 

[Andrew Plater]

You can find a fascinating study of the geneology from Genesis 10 at
http://www.filosoferick.nl/filosofe...14/08/William_Cooper-After-The-Flood-1995.pdf.

If you want to put an approximate date on the Flood I would suggest to look for evidence from the Ubaid period
Ubaid period - Wikipedia or later periods which seem to lack some of the evidence from archaeology to support long existence of some civilisations. The Akkad period started with Sargon around 2900 BC. My guess is that the Flood took place roughly 500 years before that date with the Tower of Babel about 250 -300 years after the Flood.
It is unfortunate that Answers in Genesis, who have excellent research in many areas, seem to be far too simplistic with their dating as they put Noah's Flood at 2348 BC, in other words 1000 years later than my suggested 3400 BC date.
We know King David ruled just after 1000 BC. Nennius puts the Flood at 3203 BC see below.

Quote from Nennius
However, their figure does agree exactly with that of the Britons, as passed down to us by Nennius: (5) 'From the beginning of the world until the Flood (are) 2242 years. From the Flood until Abraham (are) 942 years. From Abraham to Moses (are) 640 years. From Moses to David (are) 500 years. From David to Nebuchadnezzar are 569 years. From Adam until the migration to Babylonia (i.e. the Captivity of the Jews) are 4879 years. From the migration to Babylonia until Christ are 566 years. From Adam therefore until the Passion of Christ are 5228 years. From the Passion of Christ have been completed 796 years. And from His Incarnation 831 years.' (Nennius, chapters 1-4

 

[Jay Ross]

The above date of 2348 BC is based on Bishop Ussher's chronology of the Old Testament where he started with the premise that Adam was created 4000 years before Christ and that Christ was born in the years 4 BC. Most from the scriptures agree that the Flood began in the Year 1656 AM but Ushers chronology is 100 years short from the reality of the Biblical record.

I would personally put the date of the flood in the year 2444 BC however, how important that date is debatable with respect to our personal salvation.

Shalom

 

[Helen]

Believing it or not believing it...it changes nothing for the Christian.
We walk by faith, not sight.
Believing the unseen.

 

[tooldtocare]

Evidence of a great flood----

 

[Triumph1300]

Nice pictures, for sure.

 

[tooldtocare]

People who dismiss the idea of a great flood need to rethink their view.

There is plenty of scientific evidence that half (1/2) of the earth was covered in ice about 650 million years ago. Since then the ice has been melting to the point where we have only the Antarctic remaining.

Still, 50%+/- of the earth was covered in ice some 650 million years ago------

A study by NASA and university researchers, published in the June 14, 2013 issue of Science, found however that ocean waters melting the undersides of Antarctic ice shelves are responsible for most of the continent's ice shelf mass loss.[2]
Ice shelf - Wikipedia

The Snowball Earth hypothesis proposes that during one or more of Earth's icehouse climates, Earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen at least once, sometime earlier than 650 Mya(million years ago). Proponents of the hypothesis argue that it best explains sedimentary deposits generally regarded as of glacial origin at tropicalpalaeolatitudes and other enigmatic features in the geological record. Opponents of the hypothesis contest the implications of the geological evidence for global glaciation and the geophysical feasibility of an ice- or slush-covered ocean[3][4]
Snowball Earth - Wikipedia

"Snowball Earth" Confirmed: Ice Covered EquatorEarth's now steamy Equator was covered with ice 716 million years ago, according to a new study.

Strange fossil may be rare insect preserved in gemstone.

The finding appears to add solid evidence to the theory of an ancient "snowball Earth."

"Snowball Earth" Confirmed: Ice Covered Equator

In the beginning, planet Earth was a very inhospitable place with no oxygen and only single-celled bacteria as inhabitants. According to a new study, the oxygen content in the air began to increase about 2.4 billion years ago, at the same time as the global glaciation and when all continents were gathered in a single huge landmass, or supercontinent. How to explain the exact connection between these events, however, is a question that baffles the researchers.
Oxygen content increased when Earth was covered in ice

A Brief History of Ice Ages and Warming

Global warming started long before the "Industrial Revolution" and the invention of the internal combustion engine. Global warming began 18,000 years ago as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age-- a time when much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice.

Global Warming:A Chilling Perspective

As the ice sheet melted the runoff looked like a flood, so they called it a “GREAT FLOOD”

There is ample proof of a great flood and now it is time to flip the argument. It is time for the doubters to prove there wasn’t a flood.

Deniers, it’s your turn; go for it !!!!

 

[aspen]

People who dismiss the idea of a great flood need to rethink their view.

There is plenty of scientific evidence that half (1/2) of the earth was covered in ice about 650 million years ago. Since then the ice has been melting to the point where we have only the Antarctic remaining.

Still, 50%+/- of the earth was covered in ice some 650 million years ago------

A study by NASA and university researchers, published in the June 14, 2013 issue of Science, found however that ocean waters melting the undersides of Antarctic ice shelves are responsible for most of the continent's ice shelf mass loss.[2]
Ice shelf - Wikipedia

The Snowball Earth hypothesis proposes that during one or more of Earth's icehouse climates, Earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen at least once, sometime earlier than 650 Mya(million years ago). Proponents of the hypothesis argue that it best explains sedimentary deposits generally regarded as of glacial origin at tropicalpalaeolatitudes and other enigmatic features in the geological record. Opponents of the hypothesis contest the implications of the geological evidence for global glaciation and the geophysical feasibility of an ice- or slush-covered ocean[3][4]
Snowball Earth - Wikipedia

"Snowball Earth" Confirmed: Ice Covered EquatorEarth's now steamy Equator was covered with ice 716 million years ago, according to a new study.

Strange fossil may be rare insect preserved in gemstone.

The finding appears to add solid evidence to the theory of an ancient "snowball Earth."

"Snowball Earth" Confirmed: Ice Covered Equator

In the beginning, planet Earth was a very inhospitable place with no oxygen and only single-celled bacteria as inhabitants. According to a new study, the oxygen content in the air began to increase about 2.4 billion years ago, at the same time as the global glaciation and when all continents were gathered in a single huge landmass, or supercontinent. How to explain the exact connection between these events, however, is a question that baffles the researchers.
Oxygen content increased when Earth was covered in ice

A Brief History of Ice Ages and Warming

Global warming started long before the "Industrial Revolution" and the invention of the internal combustion engine. Global warming began 18,000 years ago as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age-- a time when much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice.

Global Warming:A Chilling Perspective

As the ice sheet melted the runoff looked like a flood, so they called it a “GREAT FLOOD”

There is ample proof of a great flood and now it is time to flip the argument. It is time for the doubters to prove there wasn’t a flood.

Deniers, it’s your turn; go for it !!!!

Interesting!