Why Christians Should Believe Noah's Flood

[JesusIsFaithful]

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[Phoneman777]

Here is why christians should believe Noah's flood.

#1. Jesus referred to Noah's flood as a real historical event of God's judgment on the earth as a warning of another of God's judgment that is coming on the earth. Jesus even referred to Sodom & Gomorrah as a real historical event of God's judgment on those cities. Luke 17:26-30

#2. Jesus spoke of God's judgement having to deal with fire as a warning to believers to be prepared as found abiding in Him as well as being willing to go. Luke 12:40-49

#2. Peter warned of the calamity of fire on the earth for why believers in present day are to be ready at all times and Peter also referred to Noah's flood as a reference for why believers should heed the warning. 2 Peter 3:3-14

So everything is the way it was before Noah's Flood. It will not be that way at the end of the great tribulation when christians will be persecuted and unable to buy & sell under the mark of the beast system to survive. The warnings from scripture applies to the times we are living in now BEFORE the that calamity of fire comes that burns up a third of the earth which will serve as a catalyst for the mark of the beast system to survive during the coming great tribulation.

Many believers will not be ready as found abiding in Him as His disciple nor be willing to go to leave their lives and loved ones on earth when the Bridegroom comes.

As much as people mock Noah's flood, christians should not disbelieve it because Jesus validated Noah's flood as a real time event to warn of a future fiery judgment coming from God on the earth.

P.S. to readers outside the forum; you can click on the scripture references in this post and it should pop up a window showing the scripture for you to read to confirm the truth in this OP.

"Thus saith the LORD" is the best reason to believe in the Flood, but there is so much geological evidence of a global flood that scientists are now forced to admit to flooding, but only to "localized flooding" bc to admit that the entire Earth was wiped out by a global flood would make necessary that life not only hit the evolutionary lottery (which is one chance in 1 X 10^80) not once, but twice.

I think Paleocurrents alone are enough to prove the global flood. Positively no plausible explanation by evolutionists for why they exist

 

[Phoneman777]

Interesting opener.
I actually didn't know that some Christians did not believe in the flood!
I just know that some say it was localized in the middle eastern area.
Others say it was world wide.
But, why would God flood the whole world, when there when it had not been peopled yet?
Im not sure which is right... and probably it doesn't really matter anyway.

If no global flood took place, the Bible is a lie. It's a very important issue. Peter says people in our day would deny the Flood, but the geological evidence overwhelmingly points to it.

 

[OzSpen]

Interesting opener.
I actually didn't know that some Christians did not believe in the flood!
I just know that some say it was localized in the middle eastern area.
Others say it was world wide.
But, why would God flood the whole world, when there when it had not been peopled yet?
Im not sure which is right... and probably it doesn't really matter anyway.

ByGrace,

God told us exactly why God flooded the whole world and destroyed all people except 8 on the Ark:

11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. 14 So make yourself an ark of cypress wood.... (Gen 6:11-14 NIV).​

As for whether the whole world was flooded or whether it was localised, again the Scriptures tell us the truth of what happened:

17 For 40 days the flood kept coming on the earth. As the waters rose higher, they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose higher and higher on the earth. And the ark floated on the water. 19 The waters rose on the earth until all the high mountains under the entire sky were covered. 20 The waters continued to rise until they covered the mountains by more than 20 feet (Gen 7:17-20 NIRV).​

Since in Noah's Flood, 'all the high mountains under the entire sky were covered. The waters continued to rise until they covered the mountains by more than 20 feet', don't you think this is a statement to confirm that the flood was worldwide and covered all the earth, even the highest mountain - no matter on which continent they were located?

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

See this story about fish fossils found in the Andes Mountains. 'Scientists have found fossils of whales and other marine animals in mountain sediments in the Andes, indicating that the South American mountain chain rose very rapidly from the sea' (The New York Times).

There is no way these scientists would dare consider the reason for the fish fossils as those deposited by Noah's Flood. There is only one evolutionary paradigm that they follow and it's not a Christian worldview.

Oz

 

[bbyrd009]

there are spiritual interpretations that do not clash with any facts, the Scripture will lead you to if you will be led.
That Noach = "Rest" when we would suspect something closer to "Cataclysm" or "Apocalypse" is even telling imo.
Noah = Rest?

 

[bbyrd009]

Peter says people in our day would deny the Flood

the subject there is actually about "coming judgement," right? imo Peter is using the flood to illustrate denial, he also mentions later that ppl in Noah's day denied the flood too.

 

[bbyrd009]

but the geological evidence overwhelmingly points to just that.

was the Grand Canyon made very quickly? - Google Search

could prolly be searched with better terms, late night last night lol

 

[Helen]

ByGrace,

God told us exactly why God flooded the whole world and destroyed all people except 8 on the Ark:

11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. 14 So make yourself an ark of cypress wood.... (Gen 6:11-14 NIV).​

As for whether the whole world was flooded or whether it was localised, again the Scriptures tell us the truth of what happened:

17 For 40 days the flood kept coming on the earth. As the waters rose higher, they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose higher and higher on the earth. And the ark floated on the water. 19 The waters rose on the earth until all the high mountains under the entire sky were covered. 20 The waters continued to rise until they covered the mountains by more than 20 feet (Gen 7:17-20 NIRV).​

Since Noah's Flood covered 'all the high mountains under the entire sky were covered. 20 The waters continued to rise until they covered the mountains by more than 20 feet', don't you think this is a statement to confirm that the flood was worldwide and covered all the earth, even the highest mountain - no matter on which continent they were located?

Oz

Thanks for that.
I guess I was thinking that it only needed to cover the known world, as it was then...the rain was a judgement, and sin did not dwell anywhere else...
But, yes, you make a good point.

 

[Helen]

was the Grand Canyon made very quickly? - Google Search

could prolly be searched with better terms, late night last night lol

I watched a good video some years back...so I forget where...
People say the the Canyon took million of years to be carved out...
Yet in this video it show that it happened quickly...and that scientist too also said it happened as the flood receded.

Which I guess, answers my own question about "how far reaching or localized was the flood. "

 

[OzSpen]

Thanks for that.
I guess I was thinking that it only needed to cover the known world, as it was then...the rain was a judgement, and sin did not dwell anywhere else...
But, yes, you make a good point.

ByGrace,

From God's perspective, 'the known world' to him is the whole world. There are no time and space limitations with Him.

Who can be compared with the Lord our God,
who is enthroned on high?
He stoops to look down
on heaven and on earth (Ps 113:5-6 NLT).​

Oz

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I believe the excess water from the flood went in the direction that formed the Grand Canyon and went down the Mariana Trench and sealed up to keep that excess water beneath the earth where now scientists has discovered an ocean near the earth core.

Psalm 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. 7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. 8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them. 9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

Scientists Discover Vast 'Ocean' Hidden Deep Underground

If any one doubts the writings of Moses about Noah's flood, then they should heed what God testified of having sworn through the prophet Isaiah.

Isaiah 54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer. 9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee. 10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee.

Think the Jews laughed at Isaiah saying..." hahaha.. that is just a bedtime story. That is not real. God did not speak to you." No they did not. And for all the enemies that Jesus had, none of the Jews made fun of Him for referring to Noah's flood as a real historical event of God's judgment.

No Jew nor christian that knows their Bible should not be mocking Noah's flood. If they do, it is obvious that they do not know their Bible in how even Jesus validated the truth about Noah's flood in warning believers about a fiery judgement from God on the earth that is to come.

 

[Phoneman777]

ByGrace,

God told us exactly why God flooded the whole world and destroyed all people except 8 on the Ark:

11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. 14 So make yourself an ark of cypress wood.... (Gen 6:11-14 NIV).​

As for whether the whole world was flooded or whether it was localised, again the Scriptures tell us the truth of what happened:

17 For 40 days the flood kept coming on the earth. As the waters rose higher, they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose higher and higher on the earth. And the ark floated on the water. 19 The waters rose on the earth until all the high mountains under the entire sky were covered. 20 The waters continued to rise until they covered the mountains by more than 20 feet (Gen 7:17-20 NIRV).​

Since in Noah's Flood, 'all the high mountains under the entire sky were covered. The waters continued to rise until they covered the mountains by more than 20 feet', don't you think this is a statement to confirm that the flood was worldwide and covered all the earth, even the highest mountain - no matter on which continent they were located?

Oz

Agreed

 

[Helen]

ByGrace,

From God's perspective, 'the known world' to him is the whole world. There are no time and space limitations with Him.

Who can be compared with the Lord our God,
who is enthroned on high?
He stoops to look down
on heaven and on earth (Ps 113:5-6 NLT).​

Oz

Yes, I was thinking not of 'the earth' as such, but of 'the world' which, is a world system as Paul preaches it.

But, it does say in Gen.." the earth was filled with violence.." etc
But you are right.

 

[OzSpen]

Thanks for that.
I guess I was thinking that it only needed to cover the known world, as it was then...the rain was a judgement, and sin did not dwell anywhere else...
But, yes, you make a good point.

BG,

Are you suggesting that because there was a 'known world' that was contaminated by sin and led to the judgment of Noah's Flood, but the rest of humanity (not yet discovered) did not suffer from the sin problem?

That's not what Romans 5:12 states: 'Sin entered the world because one man sinned. And death came because of sin. Everyone sinned, so death came to all people' (NIRV).

The world of known and unknown people all committed sin because it was passed on to them by one man - Adam.

Sin certainly dwelt all over the world, not just in the known world. And Adam's sin had far-reaching effects over all the world:

16 The Lord God said to the woman,

“I will increase your pain when you give birth.
You will be in great pain when you have children.
You will long for your husband.
And he will rule over you.”

17 The Lord God said to Adam, “You listened to your wife’s suggestion. You ate fruit from the tree I warned you about. I said, ‘You must not eat its fruit.’

“So I am putting a curse on the ground because of what you did.
All the days of your life you will have to work hard.
It will be painful for you to get food from the ground. 18 You will eat plants from the field,
even though the ground produces thorns and prickly weeds.
19 You will have to work hard and sweat a lot
to produce the food you eat.
You were made out of the ground.
You will return to it when you die.
You are dust,
and you will return to dust” (Gen 3:16-19 NIRV).​

From where do you gain the information that 'the rain was a judgement, and sin did not dwell anywhere else'? It's the bold statement that confuses me. From where did you get that information?

Oz

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[aspen]

If there was a literal flood, it would have to be so magical, it may as well be a fictional account. Our rational minds cannot understand it based on everything we know about reality. Therefore, if it is an important story, which I believe it is, then why emphasize the least important aspect? Trying to force a magical account into the laws of nature we know to be true is a waste of time - not to mention taking away from the miraculous parts!

It is the same scenerio as a primitive person describing an airplane, but in reverse. Explaining the Noah story using the framework of science shows our blindness, fails to convince rational people that it actually happened, while missing the important point that God loves humanity despite our shortcomings.

 

[Stranger]

If there was a literal flood, it would have to be so magical, it may as well be a fictional account. Our rational minds cannot understand it based on everything we know about reality. Therefore, if it is an important story, which I believe it is, then why emphasize the least important aspect? Trying to force a magical account into the laws of nature we know to be true is a waste of time - not to mention taking away from the miraculous parts!

It is the same scenerio as a primitive person describing an airplane, but in reverse. Explaining the Noah story using the framework of science shows our blindness, fails to convince rational people that it actually happened, while missing the important point that God loves humanity despite our shortcomings.

There was a literal flood. It wasn't 'magical'. It was from God. He can do things like that.

Your 'rational' mind is the product of unbelief when it does not believe the Word of God. If it didn't happen, then it is not important.

Not believing the Word of God shows your blindness. You simply believe what you want. That God flooded the earth and killed off all humanity, save 8 souls, speaks against your statement that God loves 'humanity'.

Your 'shortcomings' are that you are too full of bs. The important point is that you need to repent of your unbelief and believe what God has said in the Bible.

Stranger

 

[aspen]

Your 'shortcomings' are that you are too full of bs.

Stranger

You do honor to your Father.

 

[Stranger]

You do honor to your Father.

Indeed. I am not a man pleaser like you.

Stranger

 

[Helen]

BG,

Are you suggesting that because there was a 'known world' that was contaminated by sin and led to the judgment of Noah's Flood, but the rest of humanity (not yet discovered) did not suffer from the sin problem
Oz

​

What "rest of humanity?" ?

The world was not populated until after the Tower Of Babel.
At that point, when the languages were divided...then they scattered and migrated. Not before.