Calvinism is a Cult
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Yes, but IMO, that does not preclude him from coming back into fellowship upon repentance. Those of first "soil" have no bearing at all because they are prevented from believing by the hardness of their hearts (the "seed" of the word is sown on the hard ground and doesn't take root). The second soil is also one where conversion has not taken place because the testing and temptations of life (the rocks) prevent them from sinking their roots deep into the soil so that they get the nourishment they need. The third soil are those who are just too busy with trivialities so that person remains immature and fails to bear fruit for the Lord. The fourth soil is obviously what we are being told that we must be in order to bear fruit for Him.
It is possible for the Christian to backslide...and if he slides too far...damnation.
Considering that salvation is by faith (believing) the second soil (Luke 8:13) is someone who is saved; but who then proceeds to fall away so that they permanently lose their salvation. Their faith was only nominal, lukewarm, and shallow; mere mental assent to the tenets of the gospel.
First problem you have is faith and belief are not the same thing.
I believe in Satan sure do not have any faith in him.
That's where we disagree.
I hold that believing is simply the verb form of the noun faith.
Faith is trust in something.
Belief acknowledges something.
As I said I knowledge the existence of Satan but I sure don't put any trust in him.
Yes, James 2:19 says that faith is not mere belief that God is who He says He is. James goes on to say that even the demons believe that God is God (and tremble). Faith is believing God ("Abraham believed God and it was accorded to him as righteousness") and TRUSTING God. It is not mere intellectual assent. I believe that Satan exists but I sure don't trust him for one second.
One of the problems we are having here is one of language. In the Western intellectual tradition that we all are more or less trained in, it does not make a distinction between "I believe that 2+2=4" and "I believe and love God and trust Him to save me from my sins." The first is an acknowledgement of a basic math concept and is mind-centered, and the second is a statement of faith that hopefully comes from one's whole being--"heart, mind, soul and strength."
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Short and sweet of it? Man clench his fist at God and say, “I’m going to hell BECAUSE YOU DID NOT CHOOSE me!” What audacity to blame God. Unsaved man goes to hell BECAUSE of his sins.
Did I not say that “unsaved” man blames God for his demise, and not because of Calvinism but because of man's sins?
English may be my second language and many sell me far too short. I know more about the things of God than many who posts in these forums.
Yes, I boast but I boast in the LORD!
Psalm 34:2
“My soul shall make her boast in the LORD; the humble shall, hear thereof, and be glad.”
Psalm 44:8
“In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever.” Selah
If you only know how God wrote the Bible you will NOT make such judgments. Since you do not know (psst,) I will tell you.
Those in the know, the letter “P” refers to the word perseverance in the ACRONYM TULIP. Calvin NEVER intended the child of God to persevere, rather the true believer perseveres BECAUSE it is Jesus who perseveres for him!!!
The audacity of a spiritually dead person to claim that somehow he can contribute something to his salvation. You can have your free will and I will praise God every day for His love and grace which He poured out to all His children. GLORY HALLELUYA!
To God Be The Glory
Short and sweet of it? Man clench his fist at God and say, “I’m going to hell BECAUSE YOU DID NOT CHOOSE me!” What audacity to blame God. Unsaved man goes to hell BECAUSE of his sins.
Did I not say that “unsaved” man blames God for his demise, and not because of Calvinism but because of man's sins?
English may be my second language and many sell me far too short. I know more about the things of God than many who posts in these forums.
Yes, I boast but I boast in the LORD!
Psalm 34:2
“My soul shall make her boast in the LORD; the humble shall, hear thereof, and be glad.”
Psalm 44:8
“In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever.” Selah
If you only know how God wrote the Bible you will NOT make such judgments. Since you do not know (psst,) I will tell you.
Those in the know, the letter “P” refers to the word perseverance in the ACRONYM TULIP. Calvin NEVER intended the child of God to persevere, rather the true believer perseveres BECAUSE it is Jesus who perseveres for him!!!
The audacity of a spiritually dead person to claim that somehow he can contribute something to his salvation. You can have your free will and I will praise God every day for His love and grace which He poured out to all His children. GLORY HALLELUYA!
To God Be The Glory
Okay, I am a self admitted weird guy, as my wife would agree, when it comes to looking at things.
And a special class on for government officials they tested and scaled everyone on how they looked at things. From law and consequences to emotional.
Most of the class was heavy emotional. The second highest was very emotional tempered with some analysis. But me, heavy analysis was some emotion.
Consequences matter. Facts matter. At least for me.
Not to say I don't care. I do. But when emotions rule the brain the results can be destructive.
When people in their arrogance decided they know how God the Bible we always end up with another cult.
Such as Calvinists need to read the book of Job to get over themselves.
You and I both agree that when the emotions rule over head, disaster is often courted. The ancient Israelites believed that what distinguished them from their stupid, evil and crazy Canaanite neighbors was that the Canaanites were mostly ruled by emotion. That is why Christ tells us to "turn the other cheek". In the ancient Middle East, if someone didn't like something that someone else said, he would walk up and slap the other person in the face and then they would fight each other--sometimes to the death--and then that would trigger feuds, etc. Jesus says that we shouldn't let our emotions rule us. We all have emotions--that is in the nature of humans. Jesus certainly had emotions--we are told that "He wept." Yet it did not interfere with accomplishing His mission.
p.s. By the way, "heart" does not mean just emotion. In the time of Jesus, the "heart" was thought to be something like the soul.
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I do not believe in satan and neither do I have faith in him. I do believe that he exists.
Is faith a good way to come to truth? Is it possible to believe something by faith and be wrong? I can believe by faith that leprechauns exist, right? or the Mulsim god is true, right?
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