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1Co 10:13, There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

We don't ever have to give in to temptation when it comes. We don't ever have to cross over into sin.

We are able, in Him, to defeat every attack of the enemy.
 

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1Co 10:13, There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

We don't ever have to give in to temptation when it comes. We don't ever have to cross over into sin.

We are able, in Him, to defeat every attack of the enemy.

This is true--but, in moments of weakness, we WANT to give in to temptation. That is the sin of WANTING to sin. We certainly are not compelled to sin but we do. When someone cuts you off in traffic, nearly creating an accident, do you open your window and shout a blessing at him/her? Or do you call him a fool? ("Raca" is how the Bible terms it.) ;)
 

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This is true--but, in moments of weakness, we WANT to give in to temptation. That is the sin of WANTING to sin. We certainly are not compelled to sin but we do. When someone cuts you off in traffic, nearly creating an accident, do you open your window and shout a blessing at him/her? Or do you call him a fool? ("Raca" is how the Bible terms it.) ;)
Exactly.

In a moment of weakness wanting to sin is sin.
 

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This is true--but, in moments of weakness, we WANT to give in to temptation. That is the sin of WANTING to sin. We certainly are not compelled to sin but we do. When someone cuts you off in traffic, nearly creating an accident, do you open your window and shout a blessing at him/her? Or do you call him a fool? ("Raca" is how the Bible terms it.) ;)

If we didn't want to commit the sin, it wouldn't be temptation. The nature of temptation is, that we are drawn away of our own desires, and enticed. The point of 1 Corinthians 10:13 is that we can have the victory over our own desires.

That is a sin.

Nope.
 

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Exactly.

In a moment of weakness wanting to sin is sin.
It is not a sin to be tempted. It is a sin to actually do what you are tempted to do.

Also, in my own personal life I have not ever yelled at the person cutting me off, or even gotten angry with them (since I received Christ before getting my driver's license).
 

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If we didn't want to commit the sin, it wouldn't be temptation. The nature of temptation is, that we are drawn away of our own desires, and enticed. The point of 1 Corinthians 10:13 is that we can have the victory over our own desires.



Nope.
That is nonsense.

An example, when someone wants sex it is not because they are saying Gee I want sex. They are wanting it because our flesh has a biological drive to engage in sex.

If that were not true there be far fewer weddings and kids.

When you see someone attractive of the opposite sex your body reacts without you thinking.

You are being absurd and avoiding the verse posted to you.
 

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If you want to win the argument, you can ask, when is the last time you sinned? or, are you sinless?

I would be constrained by 1 John 1:8 to declare that I am not sinless or that I do not claim to be sinless; though I believe that entire sanctification is possible.

From that point you can say, "see? anyone that I ask about their walk, whether it is sinless or not, says that they are not sinless. Therefore there is no one who is truly sinless."

I would point out, that it is the attitude of all those who are perfect (Philippians 3:15) that we hold that we have not yet apprehended the full state of entire sanctification.

And what this means, is that, if anyone who has been perfected, is asked whether they are perfected, their response will always be that they believe that they have room to grow.
 

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When you see someone attractive of the opposite sex your body reacts without you thinking.
The temptation might be present in seeing someone provocatively dressed of the opposite sex. However, there is the option of looking away before my body reacts in an adverse manner. See Job 31:1.
 

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If you want to win the argument, you can ask, when is the last time you sinned? or, are you sinless?

I would be constrained by 1 John 1:8 to declare that I am not sinless or that I do not claim to be sinless; though I believe that entire sanctification is possible.

From that point you can say, "see? anyone that I ask about their walk, whether it is sinless or not, says that they are not sinless. Therefore there is no one who is truly sinless."

I would point out, that it is the attitude of all those who are perfect (Philippians 3:15) that we hold that we have not yet apprehended the full state of entire sanctification.

And what this means, is that, if anyone who has been perfected, is asked whether they are perfected, their response will always be that they believe that they have room to grow.
Then why are you pushing entire sancification?

It is the goal every Christian should seek even knowing they cannot reach it.
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If we didn't want to commit the sin, it wouldn't be temptation. The nature of temptation is, that we are drawn away of our own desires, and enticed. The point of 1 Corinthians 10:13 is that we can have the victory over our own desires.



Nope.

Note that I spoke of giving in to temptation--the temptation to have rage over someone endangering you and others with their reckless driving. The Bible tells us to get rid of all anger and rage. Back up and read, 1 Corinthians 10:12. I think Paul was pointing out that we CAN resist temptation but we often frustrate ourselves with our lack of holiness. I always tell my counselees to pray the prayer at the end of Psalm 139 (verses 23-24). I've never known anyone to say that God has not been quite faithful in pointing out "any uncleanness" in them (much to their chagrin). ;)
 

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The temptation might be present in seeing someone provocatively dressed of the opposite sex. However, there is the option of looking away before my body reacts in an adverse manner. See Job 31:1.

Well, Job was certainly "blameless" in the OT sense of what that meant. However, God royally chewed him out over his lack of humility. That's what happens to those who "think they stand". (1 Corinthians 10:12)
 

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The temptation might be present in seeing someone provocatively dressed of the opposite sex. However, there is the option of looking away before my body reacts in an adverse manner. See Job 31:1.
And when your body is demanding sex even when you're alone.

Thoughts enter your mind and you know it.
 

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It is not a sin to be tempted. It is a sin to actually do what you are tempted to do.

Also, in my own personal life I have not ever yelled at the person cutting me off, or even gotten angry with them (since I received Christ before getting my driver's license).

Um--I think you should read what is at the bottom of your tag.
 
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Then why are you pushing entire sancification?

It is the goal every Christian should seek even knowing they cannot reach it.
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You missed the point. The point is that they are perfect. And that their attitude, as those who have been perfected, is that they hold themselves to have room to grow.

Iow, it is the attitude of the perfect that they would have a humble attitude wherein they are unaware of the work that the Lord has done in them, of making them perfect.