Can a Christian have a demon?

[justbyfaith]

@Reggie Belafonte,

Since you are ignoring the clear testimony of scripture, I will leave you to your opinion.

 

[rockytopva]

I use to help with youth camp years ago. I have been long aware at mischief coming through church people. I told a brother one day that I was worried about the operations of the devil through church people. Ohh... He says... The devil cannot go against the blood... And his contention was so great that he reported me over it.

Years later, at camp meeting, that brother came to me and personally apologized. I graciously accepted, but deep down, wondered what trials the poor man went through to come to the same conclusion, that yes, the devil can operate through church people and that it is a sad truth.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

@Reggie Belafonte,

Since you are ignoring the clear testimony of scripture, I will leave you to your opinion.

Why do you reject Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit for mans works. you can not see Jesus is in fact the King Of Israel and that all who abide in him are truly Israel.

I will point it out to you that they who serve God are the servants of the King of the Servants of God = Jesus Christ.

Now how can one come to serve God and not know who Jesus Christ is ? such a one who rejects Jesus Christ is of Satan in fact don't you know.

No one can come to the Father but by who ? so the fact remains that any coming otherwise is of Satan in fact.

Only the True Israelites came to Jesus Christ back in the day, the rest were not worthy of being called Israelites at all, as Jesus said to his apostles to leave such people directly who did not get the message and to take not even the sand from their sandals from them. so it's clear cut who is who that bears fruit and who does not.
What about the Vine ? who abides in the Vine ? do they abide in the Vine ? if they do not they are not worthy you know and are of their Father the Devil.

 

[justbyfaith]

Why do you reject Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit for mans works.

Honest to God, man, that is a blatant and outright lie...

There are 144,000, 12,000 from every tribe of Israel except Dan who will evangelize the nations in the last days. (Revelation 7)

Rom 11:1, I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2, God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

It appears that you have some kind of prejudice (perhaps unforgiveness?) against the Jewish people. If you are Jewish yourself it makes it that much worse, you don't love your brethren according to the flesh.

Paul wrote,

Rom 9:1, I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Rom 9:2, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Rom 9:3, For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4, Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5, Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[justbyfaith]

Rom 11:26, And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27, For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

When all of Israel gets saved, you can be sure that they will not be saved apart from faith in Messiah Jesus.

 

[marksman]

Their is not one purebred Jew, fact is it's not a race.

Jewish is a Religion, one must believe and live it or one is not a Jew.

The Semitic race does not cut it at all as only one Tribe cut it as to God Israel and then when Jesus Christ came the race point is worthless as Jesus said Jew and Greek do not exist under him as all who truly follow him are his. Bingo ! have the lights gone on, ones race is worthless and only abiding in the Holy Spirit is worthy of a true Christian.

If some fool played the race card saying that he is 100% Jew like you claim, so what ! has he got the Holy Spirit ? or are you going to grovel to the ones who can prove the most % idolising men ? for their race, what an insult ! Hitler would be proud of such racist dribble that he would give you a medal.

True Christians understand that the Holy Spirit is above all man.

Your broad brush response is somewhat irrelevant.

And you claim that Jesus said Jew and Greek does not exist under him only shows your lack of exegetical ability. The remark was made in terms of salvation and that anyone was accepted in him. It did not say that one had to stop being a Jew to be a follower of Jesus.

On the day of Pentecost, the first three thousand believers were all Jews and they did not stop being Jews even though they were baptised. We know this because the Jerusalem church was known as "The Way" a sect of Judaism.

Paul was a Jew and after his conversion, he remained a Jew for the simple reason it gave him entrance into the synagogues wherever he went.

And the fact that someone might say he is a Jew has nothing at all to do with race. Like today I went to the bank to do some business and I was served by an Indian. I asked him if he was Indian and he admitted to being so and we had an interesting conversation about his emigration to Australia. We got on really well together. Our original race or colour never entered into it.

 

[illini1959]

There is no direct reference to demon possession of a believer I agree, but at the same time, there is no direct reference to any disciple having anything. Which makes me think that the Gospel stories and Acts is not intended to be a record of the failings and ailments of the disciples apart from Paul's thorn in the flesh whatever that was.

Hi! There are verses re: sickness, e.g.,

James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

Paul tells Timothy to "...use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments." in 1 Timothy 5:23

If a believer could be possessed that would be pretty huge and God would address it, even in Eph 6 where the armor of God is. Nothing in the armor about the need for protection from demonic possession.

 

[Jay Ross]

If a believer could be possessed that would be pretty huge and God would address it, even in Eph 6 where the armor of God is. Nothing in the armor about the need for protection from demonic possession.

Verse 12 tells us that we are fighting against wicked spiritual heavenly hosts, which I would describe as demons, i.e. fallen heavenly angels.

Ephesians 6:12: - 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
NKJV​

But, you have stated above that this is not so.

Shalom

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Your broad brush response is somewhat irrelevant.

And you claim that Jesus said Jew and Greek does not exist under him only shows your lack of exegetical ability. The remark was made in terms of salvation and that anyone was accepted in him. It did not say that one had to stop being a Jew to be a follower of Jesus.

On the day of Pentecost, the first three thousand believers were all Jews and they did not stop being Jews even though they were baptised. We know this because the Jerusalem church was known as "The Way" a sect of Judaism.

Paul was a Jew and after his conversion, he remained a Jew for the simple reason it gave him entrance into the synagogues wherever he went.

And the fact that someone might say he is a Jew has nothing at all to do with race. Like today I went to the bank to do some business and I was served by an Indian. I asked him if he was Indian and he admitted to being so and we had an interesting conversation about his emigration to Australia. We got on really well together. Our original race or colour never entered into it.

Wrong ! the two become one in Christ Jesus. as all people are one in Christ Jesus.
Being a Jew means nothing at all under Christ Jesus as all obey.

Them Jews who spite Jesus when he came are not of Israel, (because they do not know him nor serve him) but as Jesus said of them, of their Father of Lies who were murders from the beginning. All they who rejected Jesus Christ were condemn to Hell and not one was saved you know.

Being a Jew means nothing, it's all about being an Israel (servant of God).

Ones race does not cut it at all. or hey ! look their is X the Jew who is of Satan. be careful ! he is a Jew (one of Gods people) ? well is such one of Gods people ? when the fact is that he is clearly of Satan ? not to mention that Jesus Christ pointed it out that not all of Israel are and why do you think that Holy Moses was wandering about for 40 years with them for, not to mention that they tried to kill him ? do you understand that.

No ! I am not idolising no man, as I only look to the Lord Jesus.

Anyone nowadays Truly claiming to be a Jew, is due to one who is following our OT books and Holy Moses and the fact is that anyone outside of that is worthless to truly be mentioned as being Jewish, so your race does not cut it at all nor does and fool peddling the Talmud or so called Zionist as they are all Satanist Whores who have not God at all. but they truly have gods, if you bothered to look into it all you would see the facts are that they are not worthy of the OT or Holy Moses at all, not to mention they full on hate Jesus Christ and have been doing everything in their power to destroy Christianity. not to mention anyone who supports them is going to Hell.

One can not be born again and support anyone who rejects Jesus Christ, come hell or high water. as one who would do so has not the Holy Spirit, as why would you oppose the Holy Spirit !

The OT is a Blueprint for the NT and I will point out that Jesus Christ has come and you should only abide in him and that anything outside of that is of Satan.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Honest to God, man, that is a blatant and outright lie...

There are 144,000, 12,000 from every tribe of Israel except Dan who will evangelize the nations in the last days. (Revelation 7)

Rom 11:1, I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2, God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

It appears that you have some kind of prejudice (perhaps unforgiveness?) against the Jewish people. If you are Jewish yourself it makes it that much worse, you don't love your brethren according to the flesh.

Paul wrote,

Rom 9:1, I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Rom 9:2, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Rom 9:3, For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4, Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5, Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

The 144,000 are Christians who are 'Israel' (born again servants of God).
Remember what Jesus said of whom his brethren were ?

I don't idolise people or any race at all, I don't look up to all my fellow Australians ether, in fact I see them for who they truly are, most are only just poor bastards who are lost as any fool, Jew or otherwise.
I find such very sad that they are lost to Satan's power regardless of who they are, be it be my friends or family. but their is nothing I can do about it as such are on the path to Hellfire.

Jesus Christ is the Light of the world and the only way that one can be saved to come to Heaven.

All who reject Jesus Christ are going to Hell regardless of being a Jew or otherwise.

Look I would say to all the people who I love dearly only to look to Jesus Christ and anything other than that just reject it. do you think that is a Sin ? why would I be looking to the Jew for anything when I know that they are lost !

Do I want the Jews to come to Jesus Christ, I sure do ! and I know that one who is truly steeped in the OT will make a fine Christian, not to mention that Holy Moses said so.

Look I have talked to my Jewish mates till the cows come home for years on end, clashing with them all my life, one is dead and another just left town and I am glad not to have to put up with their worldly greed and malice of all people they deal with being shoved in my face. they have not Grace but malice is their comfort, sadly but true.
I like it that they are open and honest with me on their true position but the one who now left was just full of lies, as that's all that he does in his job and this has become his life, it's become compulsive and I say that's BS, it's me you are talking to now ! snap out of it but he can't, it's just dribble dribble dribble or runs to his wife to back him up. Mar ! Reggie is giving me a hard time.

 

[justbyfaith]

The 144,000 are Christians who are 'Israel' (born again servants of God).

So, are you saying that Israel, as it is mentioned in Revelation 7, is figurative and represents true Christians?

What does each tribe represent then?

It seems to me that the Lord, in Revelation 7, is making a special point to identify each tribe of Israel so that we would know that these people are truly the seed of Jacob.

why would I be looking to the Jew for anything

Rom 3:1, What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is thereof circumcision?
Rom 3:2, Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Jhn 4:22, Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

So, are you saying that Israel, as it is mentioned in Revelation 7, is figurative and represents true Christians?

What does each tribe represent then?

It seems to me that the Lord, in Revelation 7, is making a special point to identify each tribe of Israel so that we would know that these people are truly the seed of Jacob.



Rom 3:1, What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is thereof circumcision?
Rom 3:2, Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Jhn 4:22, Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

1 It sure does represent Born again (Israel) Christians water baptised do not cut it.

2 Each Tribe are within.

3 Yes they are.

Rom 3:1 nothing.
Rom 3:2 Yes.

Salvation is of the Jews, that's correct, as that's who the Prophets came from, but from Jesus Christ day, it's him who is Salvation and Lord, thing is nothing can take that away from him. anyone who rejects such is of Satan.

 

[illini1959]

Verse 12 tells us that we are fighting against wicked spiritual heavenly hosts, which I would describe as demons, i.e. fallen heavenly angels.

Ephesians 6:12: - 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
NKJV​

But, you have stated above that this is not so.

Shalom

Please read my post closer. I referred to demonic possession of a believer.

Thanks!

 

[Jay Ross]

Please read my post closer. I referred to demonic possession of a believer.

Thanks!

Then why did Paul in Ephesians tell us that we are also fighting demons in Eph. 6:12. If we are to resist against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places, then we are resisting their possession/control of people/us. In reading what Paul wrote, is he not acknowledging that even Christians can become possessed by demons if they do not wrestle against them and put on the armour of God.

But perhaps by your definition of a demon, a Christian person cannot allow them access to us. In my understanding, the opposite of and angel is a fallen demon angel. Both are heavenly hosts where the fallen heavenly hosts are the demons operating on the earth against God and God's plan for mankind.

Shalom

 

[illini1959]

Then why did Paul in Ephesians tell us that we are also fighting demons in Eph. 6:12. If we are to resist against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places, then we are resisting their possession/control of people/us. In reading what Paul wrote, is he not acknowledging that even Christians can become possessed by demons if they do not wrestle against them and put on the armour of God.

But perhaps by your definition of a demon, a Christian person cannot allow them access to us. In my understanding, the opposite of and angel is a fallen demon angel. Both are heavenly hosts where the fallen heavenly hosts are the demons operating on the earth against God and God's plan for mankind.

Shalom

As Christians we are definitely in spiritual battles with demons; that doesn't mean they can possess us.

There's spiritual oppression but demons can't indwell a believer. The Holy Spirit resides in us, He has control. Demonic possession would mean demons have control over us. By oppressing a Christian they can only (albeit heavily) tempt and influence us.

Notice in Eph 6 there is no instruction - or mention - of casting demons out.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Every believer should know how to fight the enemy, but since we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit Himself, there's no possession.

I claim this verse a lot -

1 John 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

"He who is in you" = the Holy Spirit - is greater than "he who is in the world" = satan.

Does that make sense?

 

[Jay Ross]

As Christians we are definitely in spiritual battles with demons; that doesn't mean they can possess us.

There's spiritual oppression but demons can't indwell a believer. The Holy Spirit resides in us, He has control. Demonic possession would mean demons have control over us. By oppressing a Christian they can only (albeit heavily) tempt and influence us.

Notice in Eph 6 there is no instruction - or mention - of casting demons out.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Every believer should know how to fight the enemy, but since we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit Himself, there's no possession.

I claim this verse a lot -

1 John 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

"He who is in you" = the Holy Spirit - is greater than "he who is in the world" = satan.

Does that make sense?

Daniel 7 is one chapter in the scriptures that talks about the influence and manifestation of demons in people.

You agree that demons can influence us and when we "Christians" allow that influence to effect our decisions, then the battle in us of Good verses Evil is real until we resolve that conflict and kick out the evil presence that has creeped into our lives.

Yes we cannot serve two masters, but we can flip flop between the two masters until we put on the full armour of God to protect us from those times when we weaken and allow demons to influence our lives.

Shalom

 

[marksman]

Wrong ! the two become one in Christ Jesus. as all people are one in Christ Jesus.
Being a Jew means nothing at all under Christ Jesus as all obey.

Them Jews who spite Jesus when he came are not of Israel, (because they do not know him nor serve him) but as Jesus said of them, of their Father of Lies who were murders from the beginning. All they who rejected Jesus Christ were condemn to Hell and not one was saved you know.

Being a Jew means nothing, it's all about being an Israel (servant of God).

Ones race does not cut it at all. or hey ! look their is X the Jew who is of Satan. be careful ! he is a Jew (one of Gods people) ? well is such one of Gods people ? when the fact is that he is clearly of Satan ? not to mention that Jesus Christ pointed it out that not all of Israel are and why do you think that Holy Moses was wandering about for 40 years with them for, not to mention that they tried to kill him ? do you understand that.

No ! I am not idolising no man, as I only look to the Lord Jesus.

Anyone nowadays Truly claiming to be a Jew, is due to one who is following our OT books and Holy Moses and the fact is that anyone outside of that is worthless to truly be mentioned as being Jewish, so your race does not cut it at all nor does and fool peddling the Talmud or so called Zionist as they are all Satanist Whores who have not God at all. but they truly have gods, if you bothered to look into it all you would see the facts are that they are not worthy of the OT or Holy Moses at all, not to mention they full on hate Jesus Christ and have been doing everything in their power to destroy Christianity. not to mention anyone who supports them is going to Hell.

One can not be born again and support anyone who rejects Jesus Christ, come hell or high water. as one who would do so has not the Holy Spirit, as why would you oppose the Holy Spirit !

The OT is a Blueprint for the NT and I will point out that Jesus Christ has come and you should only abide in him and that anything outside of that is of Satan.

Such a long, convoluted and scattered post that does not really say much except a few opinionated claims.

 

[marksman]

Hi! There are verses re: sickness, e.g.,

James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

Paul tells Timothy to "...use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments." in 1 Timothy 5:23

If a believer could be possessed that would be pretty huge and God would address it, even in Eph 6 where the armor of God is. Nothing in the armor about the need for protection from demonic possession.

James 5 is not talking about the 12 disciples.

1 Timothy. You do not form a doctrine on one verse of scripture.

Ephesians 6. The armour is a protection from Satan.

 

[illini1959]

James 5 is not talking about the 12 disciples.

1 Timothy. You do not form a doctrine on one verse of scripture.

Ephesians 6. The armour is a protection from Satan.

You said "a" disciple. Disciple just means follower of Christ. The 12 never taught believers could be demon possessed and if that were an issue, why would they not? It would be a pretty big deal...

1 Timothy was an example, certainly not an entire doctrine. I figured you'd realize that.

Of course the armor in Eph 6 is regarding Satan. I didn't say it wasn't, but what it doesn't talk about is possession, which was the point of the post.

 

[illini1959]

Daniel 7 is one chapter in the scriptures that talks about the influence and manifestation of demons in people.

You agree that demons can influence us and when we "Christians" allow that influence to effect our decisions, then the battle in us of Good verses Evil is real until we resolve that conflict and kick out the evil presence that has creeped into our lives.

Yes we cannot serve two masters, but we can flip flop between the two masters until we put on the full armour of God to protect us from those times when we weaken and allow demons to influence our lives.

Shalom

Daniel 7 is about the end days, rise and destruction of the Anti Christ. Nothing about demons 'in' people.

Yes, believers need the full armor of God and James tells us to submit to God, resist the enemy and he will flee.

We're told how to stand firm against the enemies 'flaming darts', but again - nothing indicates in any way a believer can be possessed by a demon.