Is Israel really biblical Israel or is it a devil's creation?

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We need some clarity regarding this subject. So Christians need to ask themselves some hard questions and obtain some honest answers.

1. Is the modern secular nation-state of Israel located in Palestine, and is Jerusalem its capital? Absolutely

2. Was Jerusalem the capital of ancient Israel? Absolutely.

3. Did at least a few Palestinian (Sephardic) Jews remain in Palestine after the Diaspora of the Jews? Absolutely.

4. Were there both Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews in Europe and the USSR? Absolutely

5. Did both Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews return to Israel after 1948? Absolutely

6. Are Jewish proselytes regarded as fully Jews by the Jews themselves? Absolutely.

7. Therefore are Ashkenazic Jews fully Jews for all practical purposes? Absolutely.

8. Will Christ return to Jerusalem at His second coming? Absolutely

9. Will God supernaturally gather all Jews worldwide and bring them to Israel after Christ's second coming? Absolutely.

The New Testament tells us that the majority of Jews were (and are) still in unbelief because they have been blinded to the truth about Christ. At the same time many Jews are presently turning to Yeshua ha Mashiach (Jesus the Christ) and becoming Messianic Jews (believers).

The Zionists from Europe who worked to establish the nation of Israel in the late 19th and early 20th century were also unbelieving Jews. But because of the persecution of Jews throughout Europe and the former USSR, they believed that Jews needed a homeland for themselves, and no one can argue with that. It is the same with the persecuted Kurds today, who should also have a homeland for themselves. No one should forget that both the Nazis and the Soviet Communists were trying to exterminate the Jews througout Europe and the USSR, and almost succeeded. No one should also forget that Anti-Semitism was rife throughout Europe and North America at the same time as Jews were being killed in death camps.

So while the nation of Israel is definitely not biblical Israel, it is still unbelieving Israel as far as God is concerned. But after the second coming of Christ, one third of all Jews worldwide will become the believing remnant of Israel and go into the Millennium. And God knows exactly who is in which tribe as we see in Ezekiel 48.

I'm not well-informed on any of that just yet - there seems to be a lot of history involved. I had read that the flag that Israel flies is not the star of David as many Christians erroneously believe and then Chuck Baldwin stated that the nation of Israel isn't biblical Israel. So I'm beginning to see that it's an illuminati/ Zionist creation - (I'm not sure if they're one and the same yet). I wonder why so many pastors are deceived about it - unless that's what Christian colleges have taught - and they have allegedly been infiltrated by the illuminati. I've read that Bob Jones University has been teaching false doctrine but I don't know of any others.
 

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Most of those in the political State of Israel today draw their roots not from the sands of the Middle East, but from around the Black Sea of Southern Russia. Their temples of worship were phalanx symbols before they were converted to Judaism around 700-800 AD. The new resurrected Khazaria is the new state of Israel today. Definitely a diabolic plot waged to bring especially true Christianity to it knees. And there are many of these connected false Jews running the media and money making machines of the Central Banks all around the world.

They have had their their bloody hands around the throats of men that run war departments or ministries and their killing machines, economies, media -Hollywood, newspapers, radio, books of literature and reference material, even some modern Bible translations, and even many foods supplies...do the research.

Find me one movie produced out of Hollywood or anywhere in the world, that is not a B or lower rated movie, that has not at least one of these Jews as its producer or co-producer or executive producer. When I view a movie these days I automatically review the credits and look for them, to try and prove myself wrong - and I cannot do it. And by their last name you can see them in print running down the TV screen. It is no co-incidence.

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Now we are looking at the evil Jews, who have been around for a while. There are two groups:

THE CONSPIRATORS: Such as the Rothschilds and their ilk (including George Soros), who are a handful of multi-billionaires manipulating world events , politicians, wars, economies, etc. They are motivated and controlled by Satan.

THE COLLABORATORS: There were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish ancestry. And Marx, Trotsky etc. who worked with Communists against their own people. There would have been no Communism without atheistic Karl Marx.

But no fair-minded person will paint all Jews as evil (which is what Hitler did and therefore needed a Final Solution).
That type of diatribe & hateful labeling and putting Jews in freaking categories is anti-semitic and disgusting. This whole thread is just anti-semitic inspired falsehoods. Its very sad when christians promote anti-jewish attitudes which are increasing in the world btw. Christians should not be promoting these attitudes. There has never been palestine culture , or language. Israel is in the land of Israel and the nation at present does not even claim all the lands designated by God in the Bible.
 
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Chuck baldwin is a preterist who promotes an anti-zionist ideology same as the Jew hating so called christians, rick wiles burkhart & the ironically named Truenews. Christians need to stop listening to those who promote unbiblical lies & try to inject hateful propaganda. The devils tactics haven't changed.
 
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That type of diatribe & hateful labeling and putting Jews in freaking categories is anti-semitic and disgusting.
I don't know why you would make this comment to my post when I was trying to separate the evil Jews (a fact) from the majority of Jews. Anti-Semitism would be tarring all Jews with the same brush.
 

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...many Christians erroneously believe and then Chuck Baldwin stated that the nation of Israel isn't biblical Israel.
Some Christians go to the extreme to identify modern Israel with the future kingdom of Israel under Christ. But that s a serious mistake. The Jews in Israel are UNBELIEVING JEWS. When Christ establishes His Kingdom on earth, all the Jews who have not been destroyed through divine judgments and have repented will be born-again Jews (see Ezekiel).

At the same time, those who believe in Replacement Theology or are plainly Anti-Semitic want to paint all Jews are evil. That in itself is wicked and evil. Promoting hatred for Jews is actually Satanic.
 
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I don't know why you would make this comment to my post when I was trying to separate the evil Jews (a fact) from the majority of Jews. Anti-Semitism would be tarring all Jews with the same brush.
Why is the world always hyper-focusing upon the Jews & using labels to make categories of them? Why is the world always sifting of Jews? Why the label "evil Jews" and non-evil , do we ever label "evil atheists" and "non-evil atheists" or "evil gentiles" from the majority of gentiles? I really wish Christians who Want to Separate themselves --from the Anti-Zionist Jew-haters and the "There's A Jew Behind Every Conspiracy Theory " hatemongers would refrain from labeling Jews altogether.
Why use their labels or play their games and feed into the the bigotry against the Jews?
 
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This is TOTALLY FALSE AND UNBIBLICAL. The kingdom of Israel will be established under Christ as a redeemed and restored Israel, with David as prince and Christ as King. Study you Bible and do not contradict God.
Answer this....it comes from Bible Study.
Jeremiah 22:28-30 Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not? O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.
It has been prophesied that no man of the seed of Jeconiah will ever rule on David’s throne in Judah. Who is of the seed of Jeconiah? Jesus of Nazareth.
This is as plain as it can be, so, therefore I AM NOT contradicting God.
 

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What do you mean by "They have no history, records, priest hood, temple, king, etc" ?
Everything along with the temple was destroyed in AD 70. There are no records. There is not one “Jew” today that can show what tribe he is from. There is no history that these people can fall back on. Therefore there can be no priesthood, etc. They practice a made up religion today. It was not handed down by God.
 
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Answer this....it comes from Bible Study.
Jeremiah 22:28-30 Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not? O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.
It has been prophesied that no man of the seed of Jeconiah will ever rule on David’s throne in Judah. Who is of the seed of Jeconiah? Jesus of Nazareth.
This is as plain as it can be, so, therefore I AM NOT contradicting God.
As much as you wish yourself to be correct, you are mistaken since you are in contradiction to the prophecies that the Bible holds for Israel and THEY shall be fulfilled as it is written and God will be glorified. The Lord Jesus millennial kingdom will reign from Jerusalem on the throne of David. God promised Jesus He will make His enemies a footstool, and that Jesus’ followers will worship Him freely (Psalm 100) Jeremiah 23 : 5-6
5“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the LORD,
“When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch;
And He will reign as king and act wisely
And do justice and righteousness in the land.

6“In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell securely;
And this is His name by which He will be called,
‘The LORD our righteousness.’

What is the curse of Jeconiah?
Question: "What is the curse of Jeconiah?"

Answer:
Jeconiah, also called “Jehoiachin” (1 Chronicles 3:16, NIV) and “Coniah” (Jeremiah 22:24), was a king of Judah who was deported as part of the Babylonian captivity (Esther 2:6; 1 Chronicles 3:17). He is also listed in the genealogy of Jesus, in Joseph’s family line (Matthew 1:12).

The curse of Jeconiah is found in Jeremiah 22. First, the LORD likens the king to a signet ring on God’s hand—a ring that God will pull off (verse 24). Then, God pronounces a curse: “Record this man as if childless, a man who will not prosper in his lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none will sit on the throne of David or rule anymore in Judah” (verse 30).

The problem is that the curse of Jeconiah seems to invalidate Jesus’ right to the throne of David. The Davidic Covenant promised that the Messiah, the “Son of David,” would reign forever on Jerusalem’s throne (1 Chronicles 17:11-14). If Jesus is a descendant of Jeconiah, then how can He be the Messiah, since the curse bars any of Jeconiah’s descendants from assuming David’s throne?

There are three possible solutions to this difficulty. First, the “offspring” of Jeconiah mentioned in the curse could be a limited reference to the king’s own children—his immediate offspring, in other words. On a related note, the phrase “in his lifetime” could apply to the entire verse. The curse would only be in force while the king lived. This is exactly what happened, as Jeconiah was not successful as a king (he only reigned for three months before he surrendered to Nebuchadnezzar’s forces), and none of his sons (he had seven of them, 1 Chronicles 3:17–18) reigned over Judah.

A second solution concerns the virgin birth. Jesus only had one human parent, Mary. His mother was of David’s line, but not through Jeconiah (Luke 3:31). Joseph was Jesus’ legal father, but not His physical one. Thus, Jesus was of royal blood through Mary, but the curse of Jeconiah stopped with Joseph and was not passed on to Jesus.

A third possible solution is that God reversed the curse on Jeconiah’s family. This is hinted at by the prophet Haggai, who told Zerubbabel, Jeconiah’s grandson, that God would make him a “signet ring” on God’s hand (Haggai 2:23). Zerubbabel was blessed by God as the governor of Judea, and he prospered in that role when the Jewish exiles returned to Jerusalem. The “signet ring” imagery of Jeconiah’s curse is repeated in Zerubbabel’s blessing, which must be more than coincidence. Several rabbinic sources teach that Jeconiah repented in Babylon and that God forgave him and lifted the curse.

Recommended Resource: The Moody Handbook of Theology by Paul Enns
 

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This is as plain as it can be, so, therefore I AM NOT contradicting God.
Actually it is NOT as plain as it can be, and you are indeed contradicting God, who gave Isaiah the words of his prophecies regarding Christ. We know that Scripture never contradicts itself, and sometimes there are things hard to be understood, therefore they must be properly reconciled.

1. CHRIST TO SIT ON THE THRONE OF DAVID

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
(Isa 9:6,7)

2. NERI (NERIAH) IS THE ANCESTOR OF CHRIST
The ancestor of Christ was Neri (Neriah) not Jeconiah, even though Jeconiah is also shown as His ancestor in Matthew.
Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri (Lk 3:27)
And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel (Mt 1:12)

So how does one reconcile this? Michael Brown, in his book Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus: New Testament Objections explains:
1 Chronicles 3:17-19 states that Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel and Pedaiah. But then the text says that Pedaiah’s son was also called Zerubbabel! But other passages state that Shealtiel was the father of Zerubbabel (Ezra 3:2; Neh. 12:1; Hag. 1:1). This shows that this could have been a case of levirate marriage (see Gen. 38:8-9; Deut. 25:5-10). A widow of a childless man could marry his brother. When the woman gave birth, he would carry on his deceased father’s name. This was the case so a man’s name could go on—even if he died prematurely. Michael Brown writes, “In the case of Zerubabbel, it would appear that his biological father was Pedaiah, the younger brother of Shealtiel who died childless. Pedaiah then married the widow of Shealtiel, in accordance with the laws of levirate marriage, and his firstborn son, Zerubabbel, was counted as the son of his deceased brother, Shealtiel, to ‘build up his brother’s family line’ (Deut. 25:9).” Brown, Michael L. Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus: New Testament Objections. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2006. 79.

3. "CHILDLESS" LITERALLY MEANS "STRIPPED"
Strong's Concordance

ariri: stripped
Original Word: עֲרִירִי
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: ariri
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-e-ree')
Definition: stripped

So what could "stripped" have meant in Jeremiah's prophecy?
"...a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper..."

We know from the history of the kingdom of Judah, that after Jeconiah, Judah was "stripped" from the Jews and their kings and handed over to Nebuchadnezzar.

2 KINGS 24

6 So Jehoiakim slept with his fathers: and Jehoiachin [Jeconiah] his son reigned in his stead.
7 And the king of Egypt came not again any more out of his land: for the king of Babylon had taken from the river of Egypt unto the river Euphrates all that pertained to the king of Egypt.
8 Jehoiachin
was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
9 And he did
that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father had done.
10 At that time the servants of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came up against Jerusalem, and the city was besieged.
11 And Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came against the city, and his servants did besiege it.
12 And Jehoiachin the king of Judah went out to the king of Babylon, he, and his mother, and his servants, and his princes, and his officers: and the king of Babylon took him in the eighth year of his reign.
 

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As much as you wish yourself to be correct, you are mistaken since you are in contradiction to the prophecies that the Bible holds for Israel and THEY shall be fulfilled as it is written and God will be glorified. The Lord Jesus millennial kingdom will reign from Jerusalem on the throne of David. God promised Jesus He will make His enemies a footstool, and that Jesus’ followers will worship Him freely (Psalm 100) Jeremiah 23 : 5-6
5“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the LORD,
“When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch;
And He will reign as king and act wisely
And do justice and righteousness in the land.

6“In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell securely;
And this is His name by which He will be called,
‘The LORD our righteousness.’
Jesus is presently king on David's throne. Acts 2:30 and following explains this very fact. The kingdom of Christ is already in existence. Jesus in Mt 16 said he would build his church and give the keys of the kingdom to Peter and the apostles which is what we are witnessing in acts 2.

Question: "What is the curse of Jeconiah?"

Answer:
Jeconiah, also called “Jehoiachin” (1 Chronicles 3:16, NIV) and “Coniah” (Jeremiah 22:24), was a king of Judah who was deported as part of the Babylonian captivity (Esther 2:6; 1 Chronicles 3:17). He is also listed in the genealogy of Jesus, in Joseph’s family line (Matthew 1:12).

The curse of Jeconiah is found in Jeremiah 22. First, the LORD likens the king to a signet ring on God’s hand—a ring that God will pull off (verse 24). Then, God pronounces a curse: “Record this man as if childless, a man who will not prosper in his lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none will sit on the throne of David or rule anymore in Judah” (verse 30).

The problem is that the curse of Jeconiah seems to invalidate Jesus’ right to the throne of David. The Davidic Covenant promised that the Messiah, the “Son of David,” would reign forever on Jerusalem’s throne (1 Chronicles 17:11-14). If Jesus is a descendant of Jeconiah, then how can He be the Messiah, since the curse bars any of Jeconiah’s descendants from assuming David’s throne?
No the curse bars any of his descendants from assuming David’s throne IN JUDAH. David’s throne today is not IN JUDAH. It is in heaven. Read acts 2.

There are three possible solutions to this difficulty. First, the “offspring” of Jeconiah mentioned in the curse could be a limited reference to the king’s own children—his immediate offspring, in other words. On a related note, the phrase “in his lifetime” could apply to the entire verse. The curse would only be in force while the king lived. This is exactly what happened, as Jeconiah was not successful as a king (he only reigned for three months before he surrendered to Nebuchadnezzar’s forces), and none of his sons (he had seven of them, 1 Chronicles 3:17–18) reigned over Judah.
There is no difficulty. The passage is plain. His offspring would no longer rule IN JUDAH.

A second solution concerns the virgin birth. Jesus only had one human parent, Mary. His mother was of David’s line, but not through Jeconiah (Luke 3:31). Joseph was Jesus’ legal father, but not His physical one. Thus, Jesus was of royal blood through Mary, but the curse of Jeconiah stopped with Joseph and was not passed on to Jesus.
If Joseph line didn’t matter. The HS would not have recorded it.

A third possible solution is that God reversed the curse on Jeconiah’s family. This is hinted at by the prophet Haggai, who told Zerubbabel, Jeconiah’s grandson, that God would make him a “signet ring” on God’s hand (Haggai 2:23). Zerubbabel was blessed by God as the governor of Judea, and he prospered in that role when the Jewish exiles returned to Jerusalem. The “signet ring” imagery of Jeconiah’s curse is repeated in Zerubbabel’s blessing, which must be more than coincidence. Several rabbinic sources teach that Jeconiah repented in Babylon and that God forgave him and lifted the curse.

Recommended Resource: The Moody Handbook of Theology by Paul Enns
the truth is...since that curse was pronounced neither Jeconiah nor any of his offspring have prospered on David’s throne IN JUDAH. There are no difficulties. Only if you believe in an earthly reign of Christ. Then yes you will have to twist and look for loopholes all over the place to make that doctrine work.
Zerubbabel was appointed governor by the king.
 

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Jesus is presently king on David's throne. Acts 2:30 and following explains this very fact. The kingdom of Christ is already in existence. Jesus in Mt 16 said he would build his church and give the keys of the kingdom to Peter and the apostles which is what we are witnessing in acts 2.

No the curse bars any of his descendants from assuming David’s throne IN JUDAH. David’s throne today is not IN JUDAH. It is in heaven. Read acts 2.


There is no difficulty. The passage is plain. His offspring would no longer rule IN JUDAH.


If Joseph line didn’t matter. The HS would not have recorded it.

the truth is...since that curse was pronounced neither Jeconiah nor any of his offspring have prospered on David’s throne IN JUDAH. There are no difficulties. Only if you believe in an earthly reign of Christ. Then yes you will have to twist and look for loopholes all over the place to make that doctrine work.
Zerubbabel was appointed governor by the king.
Do you see evidence of Jesus sitting on Davids throne and ruling upon the earth?
Seriously?? We are still in enemy territory, we are to Occupy until the Lion of Judah returns.
Yes as the bible states there will be a millennial kingdom -- Rev 20 , I know you don't believe that, but that is because you've been deceived by bad bible teachers.
 
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Everything along with the temple was destroyed in AD 70. There are no records. There is not one “Jew” today that can show what tribe he is from. There is no history that these people can fall back on. Therefore there can be no priesthood, etc. They practice a made up religion today. It was not handed down by God.
That is a FALSE teaching you are repeating from the likes of wolves in sheep's clothing leading people to believe lies.
 

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Jesus is presently king on David's throne. Acts 2:30 and following explains this very fact.
No, Jesus is not on David's throne, and Acts 2:30 does not mean what you think it does.

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him
[David], that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne [IN THE FUTURE]... Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted [AT PRESENT], and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear... (Acts 2:30,33)

This must be placed alongside Hebrews 1:1-3:
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high...[AND IS NOW SEATED]

But for the first martyr Stephen, Christ actually stood up to receive him:
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:55,56)

And in fact, Christ will only sit on David's throne metaphorically. While David's throne belongs to Him by right, He will hand it over to David, while Christ remains King over David, and also King of kings and Lord of lords over the earth and the universe:
EZEKIEL 37
...21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one King [CHRIST] shall be King to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant
shall be king over them; and they all shall have one Shepherd [CHRIST]: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein,
even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people...
 
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Do you see evidence of Jesus sitting on Davids throne and ruling upon the earth?
Seriously?? We are still in enemy territory, we are to Occupy until the Lion of Judah returns.
Yes as the bible states there will be a millennial kingdom -- Rev 20 , I know you don't believe that, but that is because you've been deceived by bad bible teachers.
Jesus kingdom is spiritual, not physical.
Jn 18:36. Why would Jesus say this if he was looking forward to a physical kingdom. He should have said....it is not time to fight, I will return.

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
It is a kingdom that was established ( not future, but already established) during the Roman rule.
It is a kingdom that will never be destroyed.
It is a kingdom that will stand forever not just 1000 years.
Daniel speaks of it again...
Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
When was Christ given ALL DOMINION? After his resurrection!
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Not future but now.
Rev 1:6
He also told them to go and teach ALL NATIONS, just as the above prophecy said would happen..

Look what is prophesied to David..
2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy (speaking to David) days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
“Thy seed”. A prophecy concerning the coming Christ and his kingdom. And it came while David sleeps. The millennial kingdom is not supposed to come until the righteous dead are raised. That cannot be according to 2 Sam 7..
Paul told the Colossians they were being translated “into the kingdom of his dear son. How can you be translated into something that doesn’t exist.

You will NEVER see peace on earth. But in Christ kingdom there is peace with God which was not so before Christ shed his blood and established his kingdom.
 

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That is a FALSE teaching you are repeating from the likes of wolves in sheep's clothing leading people to believe lies.
That proves nothing.
What did I say that is not true?
Are there any records today? No.
Are there any Jews that can show through recorded history what tribe they are from? No.
Therefore there is no priesthood? That is correct.
They practice a made up religion.
All of the above are facts..
 

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That proves nothing.
What did I say that is not true?
Are there any records today? No.
Are there any Jews that can show through recorded history what tribe they are from? No.
Therefore there is no priesthood? That is correct.
They practice a made up religion.
All of the above are facts..
All of it that you said was Not true and not biblical. It's just the tiresome replacement theology. Too bad so many who claim to be Christians are mislead and think themselves capable of judging Jews and the nation of Israel -- it's deception.
 

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That proves nothing.
What did I say that is not true?
Are there any records today? No.
Are there any Jews that can show through recorded history what tribe they are from? No.
Therefore there is no priesthood? That is correct.
They practice a made up religion.
All of the above are facts..
I suggest spend less time scouring the Jews for faults , stay away from the all the anti-semitic 'christian' sites and study the bible .