All the ELECT please stand up

[marks]

There's nothing to answer.

Why not show us where your beliefs are at in the Bible in answering the questions asked you?

Here are my questions again. Instead of dodging, be courteous and answer them:

Just as a matter for form . . . I prefer to not reward answering questions with questions. That's dodging.

You can answer, or turn it around to me, but I'm not going to play.

I don't mind discussing any of these things. But let my question, asked first, be answered, if you please.

Much love!

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I'm sorry, keep trying what?

Here's my questions again. Please stop dodging. We've been courteous enough and have answered your same questions with Scripture NUMEROUS times, and you know this to be true.

So here the questions are again:

Will you show us in the Bible where it means God saw you'd choose him so he chose you? Then show us how that's not meritorious? And how you did that while dead in sin and unable? And how meritorious choosing is unmerited favor (grace)?

 

[lforrest]

Which book do you recommend?

"Judging When? How? Why?" by Derek Prince

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Just as a matter for form . . . I prefer to not reward answering questions with questions. That's dodging.

You can answer, or turn it around to me, but I'm not going to play.

I don't mind discussing any of these things. But let my question, asked first, be answered, if you please.

I asked you the questions first. You answered my questions with a question, totally avoiding me. This happened in post 158.

 

[marks]

I asked you the questions first. You answered my questions with a question, totally avoiding me. This happened in post 158.

Round and round we go, where it stops no on knows . . .

Try post 154, where you respond to my quesiton with your question.

Done playing now.

Much love!

 

[Preacher4Truth]

"Judging When? How? Why?" by Derek Prince

Thanks.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Round and round we go, where it stops no on knows . . .

Try post 154, where you respond to my quesiton with your question.

Done playing now.

I'm not playing.

Here is post 154:

Will you show us in the Bible where it means God saw you'd choose him so he chose you? Then show us how that's not meritorious? And how you did that while dead in sin and unable? And how meritorious choosing is unmerited favor (grace)?

There is no question in it from you to me, that is, you asking me a question.

Show me the post where you actually asked me a question, and we can actually be "done playing now."

Now, go ahead, just show me the post where you had an actual question, and asked me to answer it, prior to my asking you a direct series of questions.

Thanks.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

@marks

You asked Anthony a question, not me. Pay attention?

Here is my question to you:

Will you show us in the Bible where it means God saw you'd choose him so he chose you? Then show us how that's not meritorious? And how you did that while dead in sin and unable? And how meritorious choosing is unmerited favor (grace)?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

It's remarkable and amazing that we have answered questions time and again, with scripture, only to be asked the same questions again, and again, and again.

Then when we ask a question to be answered biblically, the games and dodging begin.

Point of all this? Several cannot prove their beliefs from Scripture, and it is then quite apparent their beliefs are based on false assumptions, sentimentalism, TRADITION, but are not found in the pages of Scripture. This is why they go unanswered, then the opponent of scripture pops up again later, after a disappearing act, to ask in pretense, the same already answered questions.

This has been proven on here time and again.

 

[CNKW3]

To heart2soul
You are right. Even the elect can be deceived. Even those who are “the elect” can end up lost.

 

[CNKW3]

I could explain but that would spoil the book I recommended.

You might as well I’m not going to read it.

 

[CNKW3]

Instead of dodging, be courteous and answer them:

This is great!
I have been waiting for a couple days to answers from you to a few questions and you’re telling people to be courteous and answer. That is fantastic. People who claim election wont answer but admonish others when they don’t.

 

[CNKW3]

Wait . . . there is a proof. Our love. And endurance through trials.

Much love!

So, Biblical election has now been reduced to just being a loving person and enduring tough times.
This is what you get when you say....I don’t have to prove anything.
If the doc tells you, you have cancer, do you expect proof?
Before you have open heart surgery, do you want to see what the doctor saw to prove you have a blockage. I would say most would go for a second opinion. They want to be sure.
If your up on trial, do you expect proof before you are convicted?
When it comes to things of importance to us we don’t just take people’s word for anything.
We always expect proof, we always want verification, except when it comes to Christianity. Maybe that’s just not that important.

 

[marks]

It's remarkable and amazing that we have answered questions time and again, with scripture, only to be asked the same questions again, and again, and again.

Then when we ask a question to be answered biblically, the games and dodging begin.

Point of all this? Several cannot prove their beliefs from Scripture, and it is then quite apparent their beliefs are based on false assumptions, sentimentalism, TRADITION, but are not found in the pages of Scripture. This is why they go unanswered, then the opponent of scripture pops up again later, after a disappearing act, to ask in pretense, the same already answered questions.

This has been proven on here time and again.

The question which I had asked to Anthony, said post you responded to, but not with an answer, with question, as if one would cancel the other.

Read your words above, about not being able to answer Biblically, and answer Biblically, where is foreknow defined in the Bible as other than know know ahead of time. Predestine is a different word.

There is no answer. This is trying to avoid recognizing that fact.


and in fact . . .

Will you show us in the Bible where it means God saw you'd choose him so he chose you?

This isn't a question I can answer since it doesn't really fit with what I understand from the Bible. It's not the choosing, it's the believing. God calls, we believe, and He regenerates.

Regeneration follows believing, John 1:

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


Much love!

 

[Nancy]

Just as a matter for form . . . I prefer to not reward answering questions with questions. That's dodging.

You can answer, or turn it around to me, but I'm not going to play.

I don't mind discussing any of these things. But let my question, asked first, be answered, if you please.

Much love!

Hi Marks,
We are

Round and round we go, where it stops no on knows . . .

Try post 154, where you respond to my quesiton with your question.

Done playing now.

Much love!

Do yourself a favor Marks, do not even involve yourself in this stuff as that is exactly what happens, time and time again...circles. Endless circles and confusion, and this doctrine can steal your hope if you let it. And who is it that kills, steals and destroys? Well, it sure ain't God! Agree to disagree and pull out! Just my advice here, you do what you feel you need to do.
In His Love,
nancy

 

[Preacher4Truth]

The question which I had asked to Anthony, said post you responded to, but not with an answer, with question, as if one would cancel the other.

Read your words above, about not being able to answer Biblically, and answer Biblically, where is foreknow defined in the Bible as other than know know ahead of time. Predestine is a different word.

There is no answer. This is trying to avoid recognizing that fact.

Thanks for attempting, but the above is fancy dodging which is why it's incoherent, and it goes against what you've adhered to in the past. You're being disingenuous. Sorry, but it's true.

and in fact . . .



This isn't a question I can answer since it doesn't really fit with what I understand from the Bible. It's not the choosing, it's the believing. God calls, we believe, and He regenerates.

Regeneration follows believing, John 1:

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


Much love!

OK. Let me address this. If God gets all the glory, you receive how much? A teensy bit for deciding to believe? The fact you think you decided shows choosing as the means, although you try to deny this fact. Your unbiblical belief system, innate in man brings man to a point of saying, in his ability, either yes or no to God.

That's choosing.

Belief isn't innate in man, it is not inherent. You realize this, correct? Yes or no? Let's examine it biblically:

Faith is external and comes from God through the word, Romans 10:17; and is given by God to his elect; Romans 12:3; and is via the same source of power that resurrected Christ; Ephesians 1:19, and, it is granted to his elect as well as suffering; Philippians 1:29. Since it was granted by God, it is not what you did nor what anyone did, but is the work of God; John 6:29.

So no man believes by their own will, as John 1:13 states, but it is all from God.

Now, you can, as you do, go again and argue for yourself and what you did, and lay claim of yourself and your believing, but Scripture denies this. God saves alone, it is all to his glory. The fact you believe is because of him, not you.

Read carefully 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 without reading your tradition into it. There is no boasting, not even believing, because this was granted also. Perhaps one day you'll believe this and give God all the glory, not just 99,% and you 1% "for believing."

 

[Preacher4Truth]

To heart2soul
You are right. Even the elect can be deceived. Even those who are “the elect” can end up lost.

You're all over the place. Show us a verse that shows the elect can be deceived. Hint: you're misusing a text, and I know what it says, and it doesn't mean what you're implying.

 

[marks]

Hi Marks,
We are


Do yourself a favor Marks, do not even involve yourself in this stuff as that is exactly what happens, time and time again...circles. Endless circles and confusion, and this doctrine can steal your hope if you let it. And who is it that kills, steals and destroys? Well, it sure ain't God! Agree to disagree and pull out! Just my advice here, you do what you feel you need to do.
In His Love,
nancy

Hi Nancy,

I appreciate your care for me! My hope is unassailable! My Creator is here with me. He loves, He will never ever leave me for a moment. He never has.

I just have a thing that I like to hold people accountable. I've been in internet debate forums for about 20 years. I've generally settled into 1 at t time an stay a long time. I've seen 2 go from crazy active to virtually nothing, unhappily. But there were reasons.

I've seen the anger that gets directed against those who disagree with this doctrine, but I see it for what it is. The one who has faith eats.

My hope is that others may see where logical fallacies are used, and that it might mean something! When important questions remain unanswered, and that this would mean something! When all the dodging and insulting and fallacies are stripped away, and a true discussion can happen.

I'll answer any question anyone asks of me. I think about Paul writing about not presenting the Gospel in any underhanded way. Straight forward, above board, that is me. But not everything is useful at every time. I've actually been pursuing this question for a few weeks, if memory serves.

I'm not really interested in moving past it. You know, the fact is, you're most likely right. But for a different reason, I think.

Much love!

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Hi Nancy,

I appreciate your care for me! My hope is unassailable! My Creator is here with me. He loves, He will never ever leave me for a moment. He never has.

I just have a thing that I like to hold people accountable. I've been in internet debate forums for about 20 years. I've generally settled into 1 at t time an stay a long time. I've seen 2 go from crazy active to virtually nothing, unhappily. But there were reasons.

I've seen the anger that gets directed against those who disagree with this doctrine, but I see it for what it is. The one who has faith eats.

My hope is that others may see where logical fallacies are used, and that it might mean something! When important questions remain unanswered, and that this would mean something! When all the dodging and insulting and fallacies are stripped away, and a true discussion can happen.

I'll answer any question anyone asks of me. I think about Paul writing about not presenting the Gospel in any underhanded way. Straight forward, above board, that is me. But not everything is useful at every time. I've actually been pursuing this question for a few weeks, if memory serves.

I'm not really interested in moving past it. You know, the fact is, you're most likely right. But for a different reason, I think.

Nothing but false accusations, bearing false witness and grandstanding. It's sad you resort to such things as this that are untrue. The fact remains all your accusations and lamenting comes from those of your ilk.

 

[lforrest]

You might as well I’m not going to read it.

Nope, your loss.