Who is more dangerous? Islam, or Catholicism?

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Phoneman777

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i gotta say, Pm--and i truly dislike this being put in the position of defending the RCc ok--that they are exactly as dangerous as Satan is imo; which is to say, not at all. Strange as that might sound. Completely powerless and harmless, like maybe a 5 year old bully to an adult maybe?
The trouble is that they control a lot of what is taking place around the world via secret Luciferian societies. The SS modeled their intelligence network after papal organization. Of course, to appreciate this, one has to don a tin foil hat and be willing to follow wherever the truth leads LOL
 
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Bobby Jo, you have no idea how foolish you are to say he's got a "hidden agenda". Everyone knows that Brakelite's agenda - to warn the Protestant world of who exactly is the Beast so that Christians may know and avoid what is the Beast's Mark, Name, and Number - is anything but hidden. It's my agenda, as it is many others.

Calvinists want me to think God is into exclusivity religion.
Antinomianists want me to wake up and stop trying to "work" my way to heaven.
Jesuit Futurists want me relax about stuff we're not even going to deal with once we're "secretly" raptured.

Papists say "hangin's to good for him. Burnin's too good for him. He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive." (H. Fist)

Chillax - let's be agreeable in our theological disagreements
Willie T, how disappointing you didn't get the Hanover Fist reference!!!
 

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I was addressing your statement of not finding a passage written on tares. Perhaps you could elaborate?
oh, gotcha. I cannot find one statement by her written from the Naive Dialectic, not anywhere. No evidence that she ever ate What is it? at all, even in her later years. Buyers manifested a seller, unless i am missing something. The "fight for Jesus" feeling is rife though, isnt it? Or just me? But those were the times too maybe.
 

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Critics are everywhere. White was not a prophet. She misunderstood Catholic teachings and she maliciously misrepresented the church in order to support her Beast Power narrative.

Here is a short Catholic response to Ellen White

Ellen Gould White’s ‘Original Lie’
They killed Jesus and he told us, all who love righteousness will be given a hard time. Be mindful of whose banner you enlist behind.
 
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I understand what you are saying Helen, however.....

Brakelite is SDA. As far as I can tell he has never admitted belonging to the SDA church, yet he preaches SDA doctrine from the shadows. I am honest about being Catholic.

Brakelite criticizes the Catholic Church, as an institution, but he does so through his institution! His ideas about Catholicism are not his own, nor are they original. He is as programmed in his thinking as he claims Catholics are programmed by the Vatican. Irony is dead!

I am just pointing out what I am seeing - nothing personal
Rapture Debate.

Non trins are not christians or Jesus' followers.

USA shouldn't ban any "religion"??

The Criteria of Antichrist.


None of you can separate yourselves from Catholicism and it is often amusing to watch you try.
Dang. Please tell me then what part of Catholicism I still cleave to so I can separate forthwith.

Guess she never got to that the battle is won part huh
prolly scared of satan too i guess
Depends... Which battle?
Anyone willing to expose Satan's disguises and his agenda, has no fear.
 
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Brakelite criticizes the Catholic Church, as an institution, but he does so through his institution!
I appreciate that you said "church" rather than "Catholics" like a certain papist friend of ours. There's a big diff between criticism of the principles that govern an institution and the people belonging to it.

I've never seen his criticism be anything but Biblically based, though, which ultimately should be the test of any spiritual proposition, whether it be that of an individual or institution.
 
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I cannot find one statement by her written from the Naive Dialectic, not anywhere.
Do you understand the concept of "present truth"? As in...
2Peter1:12 ¶ Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

Opposition is the lot of all whom God employs to present truths specially applicable to their time. There was a present truth in the days of Luther,—a truth at that time of special importance; there is a present truth for the church today. He who does all things according to the counsel of His will has been pleased to place men under various circumstances and to enjoin upon them duties peculiar to the times in which they live and the conditions under which they are placed. If they would prize the light given them, broader views of truth would be opened before them. But truth is no more desired by the majority today than it was by the papists who opposed Luther. There is the same disposition to accept the theories and traditions of men instead of the word of God as in former ages. Those who present the truth for this time should not expect to be received with greater favor than were earlier reformers. The great controversy between truth and error, between Christ and Satan, is to increase in intensity to the close of this world's history. From The Great Controversy P144

Todays present truth is to warn the world of the present threat (which is a present truth, but was not a present truth in the days of Luther or the other reformers) being that of the impending global religious control which we (SDAs) believe emanates and is controlled from the US, but upholds Catholic principles ...Babylon the Great which is a composite of Catholic and non-Catholic entities (both Protestant and even non-Christian). This to be accomplished through legislation thus coercion and the resulting penalties for dissent...which is the spirit of medieval Rome all over again only on a global scale. Basically we are calling people out of this system, because we understand that God will judge that system, and anyone connected to it. But my guess is that you knew that anyway...my point being does that present message not constitute 'naïve dialectic'?
 
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Brakelite is SDA. As far as I can tell he has never admitted belonging to the SDA church, yet he preaches SDA doctrine from the shadows. I am honest about being Catholic.

Brakelite criticizes the Catholic Church, as an institution, but he does so through his institution! His ideas about Catholicism are not his own, nor are they original. He is as programmed in his thinking as he claims Catholics are programmed by the Vatican. Irony is dead!

I am just pointing out what I am seeing - nothing personal

Just as an example, here is a link USA shouldn't ban any "religion"?? to a thread from 3 years ago where I openly discussed the issue of religious freedom with a Catholic on this site who has since left us. In this thread I didn't "preach from the shadows". I openly declared my allegiance to the SDA church. As I have done elsewhere. Your inference is that I am ashamed maybe of being an Adventist?
The arguments I presented in that specific thread are not Adventist doctrine. Nor are they delivered as an institutional perspective. I, along with dare I suggest, every other Christian member of this board, Catholics included, am strongly in favour of religious liberty, until others exercising 'their liberty' impinge on the rights of others. What I presented in that thread was Catholic sourced information on their own Catholic policy on religious liberty. So while I am sure you personally are in favour of religious freedom, as we all are, it appears your church's official policy and practice in that respect, are quite different. Now I do not know what kind of mental gymnastics one needs to do to reconcile one's membership and allegiance to a church whose policy is the opposite to personal conviction on such a matter as this but I have yet to witness anything from Catholics other than outright denial of their own church's written documentation, and a denial of church history which their own church attests is correct.
The other option of course which I witness constantly is "he's just parroting the teachings of EGW"...or "it's understandable he teaches that - he's an adventist'... such reasoning and obfuscation and diversion is standard practice when unwilling to face anything that makes one uncomfortable.
You are absolutely correct in one thing at least...quote... His ideas about Catholicism are not his own, nor are they original...so true. MY ideas about Catholicism are not my own. They're Catholic.
 
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... And To All,

To continue the discussion, -- it might be relevant to discover which of the participants in this Topic think that the RCC has a role in the prophecies in the Book of Revelation. It's a FAIR question: Who has a "prophecy based" predisposition AGAINST the Catholic church?

And I might add, -- that premise is a FALSE doctrine, but what else is new?!? :)


Whew, (this is for @Nancy :) )
Bobby Jo


To answer your question, I am not aware of one against the Catholic church, specifically. I think it would depend upon your take of the 7 churches that Jesus told John to write the letters. I have certainly seen modern American churches fit a few of the 7 churches described. Like I said, I'm not up to speed on Catholicism, so I can't provide an answer other than I'm not aware of one against the Catholic church.
 
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... And To All,

To continue the discussion, -- it might be relevant to discover which of the participants in this Topic think that the RCC has a role in the prophecies in the Book of Revelation. It's a FAIR question: Who has a "prophecy based" predisposition AGAINST the Catholic church?

And I might add, -- that premise is a FALSE doctrine, but what else is new?!? :)


Whew, (this is for @Nancy :) )
Bobby Jo
Me hide Bobby? Nah. My beliefs on the RCC not prophecy based Bobbly? Nah....

The Antichrist: The Deep, Dark Secret

The Criteria of Antichrist.

Will the real "Antichrist" please stand up?
 
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I was addressing your statement of not finding a passage written on tares. Perhaps you could elaborate?
Iow "she writes and speaks like Will Smith at the beginning of Men in Black" if you um will?
"Imagine
what we'll know tomorrow?
So i mean laugh at Will, and then tell me what you know lol

now don't get me wrong i detest the movie on other grounds, don't believe we'll ever discover so much as an alien microbe anywhere else, dust of the Erets and all that, but whatever.

Imo the point is that what we "know," our most basic Premises, that we hold as Absolute Truths that are not can not even be questioned, are almost surely crap.

Tell me one, single truth, from Scripture even if you like--i particularly love those myself--and I'll tell you a lie, that keeps us from life more abundantly
 
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The trouble is that they control a lot of what is taking place around the world via secret Luciferian societies. The SS modeled their intelligence network after papal organization. Of course, to appreciate this, one has to don a tin foil hat and be willing to follow wherever the truth leads LOL
ah well no offense meant here at all ok, but i think i know the solution to that little, bitty problem ;)
 
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None of you can separate yourselves from Catholicism and it is often amusing to watch you try. The Reformers were in a continual pissing contest to prove they were farther away from Catholicism than their rivals - lol. It is like watching chefs trying to create a unique dish, using the same ingredients
I might wish you had stated that um differently, but ya. It was very humbling to discover Catholics after a lifetime of condemning Catholicism, i gotta say. First confession i think i ever heard came from one, suddenly all the other ones i had heard sounded like "sorry you don't understand"
 
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Depends... Which battle?
Not that i am aware of, bl; but you're welcome to Quote that and we could cross-examine it i guess. Notice i dint capitalize "it" there, like i usually would, guess you already know why huh
blah blah, blahblah blah
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Do you understand the concept of "present truth"? As in...
2Peter1:12 ¶ Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

Opposition is the lot of all whom God employs to present truths specially applicable to their time. There was a present truth in the days of Luther,—a truth at that time of special importance; there is a present truth for the church today. He who does all things according to the counsel of His will has been pleased to place men under various circumstances and to enjoin upon them duties peculiar to the times in which they live and the conditions under which they are placed. If they would prize the light given them, broader views of truth would be opened before them. But truth is no more desired by the majority today than it was by the papists who opposed Luther. There is the same disposition to accept the theories and traditions of men instead of the word of God as in former ages. Those who present the truth for this time should not expect to be received with greater favor than were earlier reformers. The great controversy between truth and error, between Christ and Satan, is to increase in intensity to the close of this world's history. From The Great Controversy P144

Todays present truth is to warn the world of the present threat (which is a present truth, but was not a present truth in the days of Luther or the other reformers) being that of the impending global religious control which we (SDAs) believe emanates and is controlled from the US, but upholds Catholic principles ...Babylon the Great which is a composite of Catholic and non-Catholic entities (both Protestant and even non-Christian). This to be accomplished through legislation thus coercion and the resulting penalties for dissent...which is the spirit of medieval Rome all over again only on a global scale. Basically we are calling people out of this system, because we understand that God will judge that system, and anyone connected to it. But my guess is that you knew that anyway...my point being does that present message not constitute 'naïve dialectic'?
No, although it might qualify as a noble cause maybe; i really couldn't say bl. "Dialect" is the tongue-shade that a person speaks, isn't it?
 

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-- Speaking to the HATE directed towards Catholics. --

Both? BOTH? No, there MORE than just TWO. You forgot to include YOUR OWN Denomination. You see, EVERY denomination is as the Sadducees and Pharisees, in their own ways. Does YOUR denomination operate as 1 Cor. 14:26 specifies, or do you have a HIRELING? Does your denomination have FALSE DOCTRINES? Are you PERFECT?

If any of the answers above fail to meet GOD's Standards, then should you fix your own short-comings BEFORE you throw stones? -- WWJD?!?


Bobby Jo

I am non-denominational. I gave up listening to the traditions of men a long time ago. And I never did recognize a pope who is just a man, as God.
 

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ah well no offense meant here at all ok, but i think i know the solution to that little, bitty problem ;)
LOL yeah, I know, don't put on the hat....but when you've read some of the stuff that I've read and seen how these luciferian globalists just come right out and admit their nefarious plans for mankind, well...
 
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Hi Acolyte,

I wasn't accusing you of an anti-Catholic diatribe. I was simply including all the Posters in this Topic in my Posts so that they would see the unjust and untrue assassination which some ignorant/lazy/dishonest people stoop to. :)

Thanks,
Bobby Jo

@Bobby Jo IMO Jesus said he is the way, He did not say only if you follow such and such doctrine to get to me. I hold most Christian churches teach He is the way. Therefore no judgement from me. In fact if not for JW's I may never have turned to Him. While not all truths are taught from any, seek Jesus and the Spirit will find you. Ask, knock and believe.

Blessings.
 

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LOL yeah, I know, don't put on the hat
oh, i must have gave you the wrong impression--i'm a committed anarchist. black market wherever possible, new suppliers coming online everyday. bitcoin opened a World. Everything we think we know is absolutely whacked on some level, yes. NOt Federferal,nO REServes.

JFK made it very plain imo. He knew what was going to happen
the guy with the meanest dog is certainly going to work to carry out their agenda, and if that is 500 mil then so be it. were getting sprayed with metals now, massively, i mean the totality of the deception would freak most ppl out. Us are hollowed out shell now, total control under.
 

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oh, gotcha. I cannot find one statement by her written from the Naive Dialectic, .

Bbyrd, do you have a link about this? Everytime I do a search it corrects it to native dialect. Oh, just the naive dialectic thingy, btw.