Nancy
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That's the beauty of His simplicity and gentleness with us, how good is our God?!
All the ELECT please stand up
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CharismaticLady
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I really don't have a problem with "God choosing me." What I have a problem with is your belief that we will always be sinners until we die and our bodies are immortalized. That's a lie and a slap in our Savior's face, and ignorance of His Word.
How do you know He chose you. You seem absolutely intent on reminding us that He hasn't chosen any of us... So why do you persist in bothering with us? If we are lost, damned, and all the other negative statements describing our condition and future, what do you hope to gain by being here if God has already decided our fate? And again, how do you know you are any different?
It is very easy once you are locked into a certain mindset to find scriptures to support your theories. In your mind, your theories are vindicated by those verses you choose as allies to your cause. But matters should become illuminated in the light of truth when brought into context with God's character. God is love. No where on God's green earth is love ever offered, or requited, without the imperative of giving the other the ability and power to reject it. It really is that simple. Once that imperative is understood, then the verses which previously are seen as supportive of a coerced relationship, and a lack of choice, are seen in their true light.
The imperative to choose to respond favorably or unfavorably is vital to any living relationship... Without exception... Whether it be in human marriage or our relationship with God.
With that said, I have no intention of discussing TULIP or any other acronym because for me to agree to Calvinist theories I would have to abandon the whole meaning and power behind agape love... Self sacrifice.
The imperative to choose to respond favorably or unfavorably is vital to any living relationship... Without exception... Whether it be in human marriage or our relationship with God.
With that said, I have no intention of discussing TULIP or any other acronym because for me to agree to Calvinist theories I would have to abandon the whole meaning and power behind agape love... Self sacrifice.
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Do you know...I had never read an exact definition of what heresy is! And honestly, I believe I am a heretic...I quite literally do not agree with a lot that is generally accepted. Hmmm...
Nancy
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Do you know...I had never read an exact definition of what heresy is! And honestly, I believe I am a heretic...I quite literally do not agree with a lot that is generally accepted. Hmmm...[/QUOTE]
Like, what in general do you not agree with? I know there are things I also do not agree.
Like, what in general do you not agree with? I know there are things I also do not agree.[/QUOTE]
Oh gosh, it would take pages! But for one, I don't just swallow the whole trinity deal. To me, God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit. I don't get the whole God is spirit and also the Holy Spirit is a distinct different "person." I can follow the trinity only as far as God and Jesus. When I have to believe God and the Holy Spirit are distinct and seperate, it falls apart.
Nancy
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Oh gosh, it would take pages! But for one, I don't just swallow the whole trinity deal. To me, God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit. I don't get the whole God is spirit and also the Holy Spirit is a distinct different "person." I can follow the trinity only as far as God and Jesus. When I have to believe God and the Holy Spirit are distinct and seperate, it falls apart.[/QUOTE]
You know, I have always thought that the Trinity doctrine was essential to our salvation. Over time my thoughts have shifted a bit on this. The Holy Spirit is such a mystery to me. Especially when Jesus say's that to blaspheme Himself or God The Father it would be forgiven but, not if one were to blaspheme The Holy Spirit. And when Jesus said 'Why call me good, there is only One who is good...the Father in heaven'. Things that make us go...dig in! Betcha thought I was going to say "hmmm", lol
K, just because you post a bunch of links does NOT mean that the matter is settled.
We're repeating now so our conversation becomes useless.
You seem to know only a few verses and that will not be enough for support.
The bible is a complete unit...NOT 3 or 4 verses repeated over and over again.
As to Mathew 23:8 and Mathew 28:19-20
You said one is a noun and one is a verb.
Does the verb not need the noun in order to teach?
Do you not adhere to the Institutes of Calvin so that you can learn calvinism?
There is no way a person would come to this conclusion UNLESS someone taught them the institutes.
Jesus said to God: NOT MY WILL BUT YOURS BE DONE.
Luke 22:42
Since Jesus was saying that He had a will ,,,, which means He could make free will choices...
And He was made in every way like us...
Hebrews 2:17
We could then be certain with no doubt, that we have free will.
Besides you have not given any support for the fact the we do not.
I would venture to say that we're all heretics in one way or another.
It really means SOMETHING IMPORTANT that makes Christianity what it is...
and without which one could not be considered a Christian.
For instance...it has to be believed that Jesus rose from the dead.
That Jesus is God.
The Trinity would be another.
You should study some of the old heresies from the early church...
I don't remember them all, but it's an interesting studyk, and even helps us to understand our Christianity.
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Grailhunter
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There is a certain amount of humor in this but...scholars will say, with a certain amount of humor that if you want the truth
turn to the heretics. Without them the religion becomes stagnated. Christianity is a living religion, that can not be confined
between the pages of the Holy Bible. Free thinkers....keep the religion alive....we are going to loose our children. When you
tell your children that the dinosaurs did not exist...there going to know you are an idiot and the religion you believe in.
turn to the heretics. Without them the religion becomes stagnated. Christianity is a living religion, that can not be confined
between the pages of the Holy Bible. Free thinkers....keep the religion alive....we are going to loose our children. When you
tell your children that the dinosaurs did not exist...there going to know you are an idiot and the religion you believe in.
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"No where on God's green earth is love ever offered, or requited, without the imperative of giving the other the ability and power to reject it."
One cannot reject Grace, the free gift of eternal life.
We are "..locked into a certain mindset.." as you say.
I believe Grace, you believe work.
I was just talking about this in another thread (what GG and Brakelite were.)
But indoctrination is weird because, yeah, we can find a lot of verses everywhere to support it, but the oddest part is we don't even SEE the verses that seem to oppose it, even when someone brings them up.
Indoctrination tends to use only half the bible! And the thing about that is, there is always a verse, and another verse that is in tension to it, and if you don't take BOTH of them into account, you come up with a very lopsided construction. The examples are too numerous but here's one I've seen:
Ask for anything in my name and it will be done for you (didn't look that up so its my paraphrase).
But how many times have you seen a tv preacher go off the reservation with that one??
But then, he hasn't presented: you ask and don't receive because you ask with the wrong motives.
You need both of the verses to fit together or you have, as my friend says, a halfbaked cake.
And when you see it happen, its sobering, because you wonder - where might I be doing this? Where might I have swallowed some teaching of men...?
But indoctrination is weird because, yeah, we can find a lot of verses everywhere to support it, but the oddest part is we don't even SEE the verses that seem to oppose it, even when someone brings them up.
Indoctrination tends to use only half the bible! And the thing about that is, there is always a verse, and another verse that is in tension to it, and if you don't take BOTH of them into account, you come up with a very lopsided construction. The examples are too numerous but here's one I've seen:
Ask for anything in my name and it will be done for you (didn't look that up so its my paraphrase).
But how many times have you seen a tv preacher go off the reservation with that one??
But then, he hasn't presented: you ask and don't receive because you ask with the wrong motives.
You need both of the verses to fit together or you have, as my friend says, a halfbaked cake.
And when you see it happen, its sobering, because you wonder - where might I be doing this? Where might I have swallowed some teaching of men...?
Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!
The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.
These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:
- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)
- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)
- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)
- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)
- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)
- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)
- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)
- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)
- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)
- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)
The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!
Nancy
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Good points here GG. As you can see, I've given up with this subject as it always, every time just goes round, and round in circles, glad you have not, speak it sistah!!
Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!
Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!
The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.
These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:
- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)
- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)
- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)
- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)
- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)
- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)
- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)
- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)
- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)
- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)
The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!
Helen
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Thanks...you spoke for all of us...and you said it well.
"They" can hardly be here to convert us, their arrogance, rudeness , and snarky remarks are hardly "Wooing" ...or The Voice Of The Master.
No, they have no Good News on or to this Site, just a kind of glee in being able to tell the rest of us what we are NOT!
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So, name calling is the best that you can do!
And with your constant pushing of your own links , you obviously have a higher opinion of your own writing than those of the bible...OR you would quite it, not just quote yourself.
And it seem you have only learned a couple of pet scriptures , it seems that way because all you do is repeat the same thing over and over.
But, TRYING to talk to you is pointless , because all you do is quote yourself and your posts over and over .
( which in fact, if you read the Forum Rules, repetitive posts are against the rules. )
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