Biblical Foreknowledge
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How many times do I have to say this JonC????
I am doing just fine, i usually have several opportunities to speak about the gospel every day. That is what I do most every day.
I do not need your insults and attacks, go away JonC, Do not make me bring the cals in here, to tell the truth about you. I think the poor readers here have the idea. You have not offered anything positive to this post. You come as a troublemaker and accuser of the brethren. We all see it.
I've never understood Calvinists proselytizing.
If you truly believe that men has no free will, and the only way a person comes to believe in it is God forcing in onto a person (and by extension, every who doesn't believe is because that's what God wishes it to be).... than why are you spending your time trying convince people to willingly accept your views as being true?
If you truly believe that men has no free will, and the only way a person comes to believe in it is God forcing in onto a person (and by extension, every who doesn't believe is because that's what God wishes it to be).... than why are you spending your time trying convince people to willingly accept your views as being true?
But you can silence all the calvinists, remember you thanked them for that
Thank you bb
You are the only dishonest person here lacking integrity. Your posts are an abomination. I am doing a public service by exposing your dishonest deeds.
John Caldwell
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At one time there was a group of Reformed Baotists who were anti-missionary. RBC Howell combated their doctrine. They rejected evangelism so as not to preach to those not chosen.
Calvinism itself does not necessitate a rejection of free will (depending on definition...Tim Keller offers a good sermon on the topic) but some Calvinists do.
Hello Jane, Good question.
We not only believe God is in control, but that He has ordained the means to accomplish His purpose.
Part of those means are using truth against error. The error hinders people, so we attempt to remove those obstacles so that if and when the Spirit draws a person they can freely come to Jesus.
But in Calvinism nobody can stumble, because nobody has free will to stumble. Everything is designed completely by God- every one who doesn't belie is because God forced them to be that way.
It does not make sense but you have done it.
If TC were still alive and Dr. BOB WERE HEALTHY, YOU WOULD HAVE been history....lol
No...men have a will. Self will, they make choices everyday.
They choose to resist God in thought word and deed.
God in love gives a new heart to allow them to come to Jesus.
If the Spirit does not draw and regenerate they would never come.
Aka: everyone who is damned in Calvinism is because God will it to be so.
Hence once again, my lack of understanding of why the prosystlizing from Calvinists.
John Caldwell
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The reason is that Christ is the Propitiation for the sins of the world (as John Calvin said, for all men without exception). All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
Biblical Calvinism looks at election from the standpoint of the saved – not from a state of being lost. Before I was saved I could not say that I was elect. Scripture never speaks of the lost as being elect (to salvation). But after I have been saved then I can say that God has chosen me and has prepared a purpose for me beforehand.
The difference is that some, like Anthony, have Calvinism as their religion. They take Spurgeon’s comment that for him the Calvinism is the gospel (Spurgeon spoke of dispositions and understandings in the sermon “God’s Will and Man’s Will) as an excuse to literally hold Calvinism as their gospel. This is not Calvinism, as James While aptly pointed out in dealing with those like @Anthony D'Arienzo in his program about today’s neo-Calvinism.
That is the problem with using the term "Calvinism". It is often associated (rightly) with the false religion some hold. Some have not studied Calvinism itself, do not know much about its history and the development of the "five points". Instead they have read commentaries and summaries and have chosen to hold it as their view. Perhaps because it is the simplest to understand as a religion. Perhaps because as a religion it requires nothing from them. Who knows. But this type of "Calvinism" is as Christian as Islam.
But it can also be associated with an understanding of the five points of Calvinism as applied to the working of God (and here, only in the positive as the Canons of Dort dealt specifically with an issue that arouse within historic Calvinism). There are disputes here (even among true Calvinists). But they are disputes among Christians who realize the systematic nature of the theological position and hold it as such.
JonC
Another wicked accusation that lacks kindness and love. Why are you so bitter?
the others saw through your false ideas and offered you correction that you could not accept? Do not take it out on me!
here comes another attack...guaranteed
Another whopper by JonC...our faux Calvinist...no biblical calvinist believes this or would ever say such a thing. In trying to be a poser saying he believes calvinism, but different from the real calvinists, JonC condemns those who do not agree with him...strange indeed.
Of course he offers no proof for this lie.
Romans 6 is quite clear;
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
JonC...if only you would begin to read your bible, put down your commentaries and just read this;
2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Yes even as others...You too can be saved if you trust in Jesus....several of your former victims are praying for you as we speak, you know, all of us who you censored, P4T, Sg, MM , Biblicist, Archangel, greek tim, Bosley, David Taylor, and a host of others. Some have prayed for you, some are still disgusted by you and suggest you stop.
Perhaps you do not like that you cannot answer any link that has come your way.perhaps you double talked grailhunter when you liked his post as he suggested calvinism makes God the author of sin?
what did you like about that post jonc???
Yes indeed.
s it is not "real life". But nothing is hidden from God. Do not take it so lightly a thing to trample the blood shed for you.
I forgive your dishonesty and abuse against me. But that is between me and God. I urge you to turn to God or back to God in your interactions. Do not count as worthless the cross and sacrifice of God.
Set aside commentaries and read your Bible. Find a church. Set aside all malace. All I can do is once again forgive you (I do), point you to Christ (I have) and continue to pray for you (I will).[/QUOTE]
Another wicked accusation that lacks kindness and love. Why are you so bitter?
the others saw through your false ideas and offered you correction that you could not accept? Do not take it out on me!
here comes another attack...guaranteed
Another whopper by JonC...our faux Calvinist...no biblical calvinist believes this or would ever say such a thing. In trying to be a poser saying he believes calvinism, but different from the real calvinists, JonC condemns those who do not agree with him...strange indeed.Of course he offers no proof for this lie.
Romans 6 is quite clear;
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Complete rubbish. I have never said any such anti scriptural thing.
JonC...if only you would begin to read your bible, put down your commentaries and just read this;
2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Yes even as others...You too can be saved if you trust in Jesus....several of your former victims are praying for you as we speak, you know, all of us who you censored, P4T, Sg, MM , Biblicist, Archangel, greek tim, Bosley, David Taylor, and a host of others. Some have prayed for you, some are still disgusted by you and suggest you stop.
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Perhaps you do not like that you cannot answer any link that has come your way.perhaps you double talked grailhunter when you liked his post as he suggested calvinism makes God the author of sin?
what did you like about that post jonc???
Yes indeed.
Your ungodly speculation is not wanted here. Stop it jonC. this stalking is sick and twisted.
s it is not "real life". But nothing is hidden from God. Do not take it so lightly a thing to trample the blood shed for you.
I forgive your dishonesty and abuse against me. But that is between me and God. I urge you to turn to God or back to God in your interactions. Do not count as worthless the cross and sacrifice of God.
Set aside commentaries and read your Bible. Find a church. Set aside all malace. All I can do is once again forgive you (I do), point you to Christ (I have) and continue to pray for you (I will).[/QUOTE]
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Bearing false witness is not a spiritual gift.
Go away JonC.
Stop stalking and posting these twisted posts.
Get well soon.
Grailhunter
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Calvinism and predestinationist paint God red with the evil of Satan.
They effectively push judgement back before the creation of the world.
People are damned before they are born...no hope...no mercy...no escape, just a God watching them burn for the sins he forced them to do.
Wonder if they think he enjoys it since he made it happen? Maybe that is the point...still sounds like Satan.
The description would pretty much fit Satan...satanic beliefs.
Promote themselves as the elect....good company...Nazi.
There doctrine is so evil and absurd that it boggles the mind!
They effectively push judgement back before the creation of the world.
People are damned before they are born...no hope...no mercy...no escape, just a God watching them burn for the sins he forced them to do.
Wonder if they think he enjoys it since he made it happen? Maybe that is the point...still sounds like Satan.
The description would pretty much fit Satan...satanic beliefs.
Promote themselves as the elect....good company...Nazi.
There doctrine is so evil and absurd that it boggles the mind!
John Caldwell
Well-Known Member
That was Arminius' argument (except the pushing judgment part, Arminianism teaches the same but with the twist of pre-knowledge).
The question is how can God condemn men if God Himself is responsible for their rejection of Him. And you are correct. Such a teaching makes God the author of human sin. It makes God evil.
Grailhunter
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Exactly the doctrine of Calvinism, they are slanderers of God.
There is a big difference between clairvoyance...knowing that someone is going to hell and forcing them there.
The difference is evil.
Sorry but this is totally wrong.
God does not sin. God is completely just.
If God did not elect any, no one would be saved.
The biblical God elects a multitude of sinners and predestined them to be conformed to the image of His Son
Grailhunter
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Again can you be more wrong!
No one can be saved unless they chose to believe in Christ.
God is not evil so he would never think to predestine people.
Just like the Nazis, Calvinist desire to glorify themselves.
Making all reality a puppet show would prove nothing of Man.
Calvinism nullifies, faith, love, prayers, Grace, Justification, redemption, salvation, sanctification, forgiveness and Good Deeds. For what good are these, if it is not by free will. Calvinism invalidates all of Christianity and slanders God.
No one can be saved unless they chose to believe in Christ.
God is not evil so he would never think to predestine people.
Just like the Nazis, Calvinist desire to glorify themselves.
Making all reality a puppet show would prove nothing of Man.
Calvinism nullifies, faith, love, prayers, Grace, Justification, redemption, salvation, sanctification, forgiveness and Good Deeds. For what good are these, if it is not by free will. Calvinism invalidates all of Christianity and slanders God.
Grailhunter,
Maybe if you work through the first 3 posts it will help you sort it out
Maybe if you work through the first 3 posts it will help you sort it out
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