The Wonders of the kingdom of God.

[marks]

The only thing I see is that somehow epi seems to be the smell of death to you...

Is that so?

Or is that just more pejorative?

Doesn't it concern you when someone vaunts their own experience so much, while at the same time denigrating the Bible? Is does me. And again, when the teaching is at such variance!

I find nothing so terrifying as you,

Interesting charaterization, and I wonder, why the hyperbole? Do you actually perceive me to be afraid? And if not, why say that?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You have to get over this touchiness in yourself that insists anyone speaking about what they see or think they see is them doing harm to you and denigrating you.

And now you've gone in your first paragraph from me denigrating you, to epi denigrating the bible. He is not vaunting his own experience and denigrating the bible. He tells about what he saw and he encourages us to reach for a walk in the Spirit.

As for your last paragraph, why should I answer it when you still haven't answered what is so dangerous and problematic about what he has said? You keep saying it is dangerous and problematic for him to keep encouraging by saying, if we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit, I have experienced it and know it is for us! And yet, you say it over and over but don't say how or why it is so problematic. You just keep talking but without saying anything.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

At some point, you have to let men try to articulate what they have seen. Epi says when he walked in the Spirit, He saw a most amazing light. Another man says when he was in the Spirit, He saw locusts with hair like women and sharp teeth And many other amazing things. In fact, that man also talked about a wonderful light he saw. In fact, read it again, he talked a lot about light he saw when he was in the Spirit! You have to just let men describe what they see when they are in the Spirit. I've had 3 brief times of being in the Spirit and I am very hard pressed to even TRY to articulate it as John did in Rev and as epi did. The first time, I begged God to stop or I would die. The second time, I begged for it NOT to stop. The third time, every chronic ache and pain I suffer with was suddenly gone and I climbed stairs so effortlessly I almost felt like I must be floating, somehow untethered from my body.

Haven’t prevented epi from sharing what he has seen. Definitely not from speaking. no stress... if it is of God nothing can overthrow it. If it is not of God then it will come to nothing.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I mean, let's try this -

Oh...that marks is a dangerous guy. He talks a lot about all He has and it's all about him vaunting himself And denigrating and slandering the bible. I perceive that He is very dangerous in what he teaches And um...you shouldn't listen to him. He perverts scripture.

Now, WHY should anyone listen and agree with all the opinions I've just spouted? Where is my proof?

 

[marks]

You have to get over this touchiness in yourself that insists anyone speaking about what they see or think they see is them doing harm to you and denigrating you.

And while you go on and on about me supposedly being "touchy" that's just ignoring the what I'm saying. But that's the pattern.

I point to something specific, and you reply, Oh! You're SO Touchy!

And if you want to hear more specifically my concerns, you need only read through the thread.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Haven’t prevented epi from sharing what he has seen. Definitely not from speaking. no stress... if it is of God nothing can overthrow it. If it is not of God then it will come to nothing.

I didn't say you have prevented him from sharing what he has seen, so I'm a bit lost there...

 

[marks]

Haven’t prevented epi from sharing what he has seen. Definitely not from speaking. no stress... if it is of God nothing can overthrow it. If it is not of God then it will come to nothing.

So true! Let's remember, this is an internet forum to which we've all come with equal invitation to post.

much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And while you go on and on about me supposedly being "touchy" that's just ignoring the what I'm saying. But that's the pattern.

I point to something specific, and you reply, Oh! You're SO Touchy!

And if you want to hear more specifically my concerns, you need only read through the thread.

Much love!

I'm not ignoring what you said. I'm saying that I was saying, as truthfully as I can, what I saw. You say it is denigrating you. I say it is speaking as truthfully as I can, what I see.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So true! Let's remember, this is an internet forum to which we've all come with equal invitation to post.

much love!

Lets also remember, no one said anyone was preventing Epi from speaking, so...yeah.

 

[amadeus]

It's not that.

I keep saying, I have nothing to say about what anyone says that they saw. People see all sorts of things, and I'm not planning to dispute with any of them.

It's the teaching that accompanies these reports of visions or what have you. That's what is problematic.

Much love!

Why do you keep using that word, problematic, to describe what is really directly or indirectly a criticism of what @Episkopos believes and teaches. Problematic:

problematic
[ˌpräbləˈmadik]
ADJECTIVE

1. constituting or presenting a problem or difficulty.

What Jesus presented and taught was certainly problematic in the days of his 3½ year ministry as a man. The Pharisees considered his teachings problematic to their life styles and their beliefs.

To my understanding of it and the understanding of some others on this forum, Episkopos teachings have been in great measure what we also believe.

I won't speak for others, but for me the Way that I live according the Word and the Holy Spirit is the focal point of all that I do. Is it problematic? Not for me. For others, perhaps, but is that not between each of them and God? I live for God according to my own heart. If you or anyone should suggest to me that I should change because what I seemingly am teaching by word or example is problematic for them, should I without thought or study or prayer simply change to make you happy? A more specific reason than being problematic for you would be required to even seriously consider change. To even consider such a change considering the source of my convictions , would certainly, it seems to me, be problematic for me.

If you want to dispute a particular point of belief with me or with Episkopos and want to show the scriptures in support of your view, do so, but don't leave us hanging with such a word as 'problematic' and expect us to understand and even to change!

 

[marks]

Why do you keep using that word, problematic, to describe what is really directly or indirectly a criticism of what @Episkopos believes and teaches. Problematic:

Hi @amadeus ,

I've edited my post once more, to be more reflective of what I truly want to express.

I appreciate you calling me on this! I was indeed not communicating well!

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

It's not that.

I keep saying, I have nothing to say about what anyone says that they saw. People see all sorts of things, and I'm not planning to dispute with any of them.

It's the teaching that accompanies these reports of visions or what have you. That's what is problematic for me.

Much love!

I saw big foot in my backyard one night!

 

[Waiting on him]

I saw big foot in my backyard one night!

He was giving the Easter bunny a piggy back ride.

 

[amadeus]

I saw big foot in my backyard one night!

I guess I don't really know you friend, but that sounds to me like you are mocking or joking about someone's testimony. You would do better to leave any appropriate laughter to the One who reads every heart:

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision." Psalm 2:4

If you are really in the mood to simply make jokes, this is not the best place for it...

 

[Waiting on him]

I guess I don't really know you friend, but that sounds to me like you are mocking or joking about someone's testimony. You would do better to leave any appropriate laughter to the One who reads every heart:

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision." Psalm 2:4

If you are really in the mood to simply make jokes, this is not the best place for it...

What I mock is the idea that we’re supposed to receive all we hear as truth.

 

[Waiting on him]

Especially when the topic is light (truth)

 

[amadeus]

What I mock is the idea that we’re supposed to receive all we hear as truth.

No one asked you to receive it, but should you mock that which you don't understand or even that with which you disagree? Are you then seeing the hearts of each of us? Are you as one of these Roman soldiers?

"And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head." Matt 27:29-30

 

[Waiting on him]

No one asked you to receive it, but should you mock that which you don't understand or even that with which you disagree? Are you then seeing the hearts of each of us? Are you as one of these Roman soldiers?

"And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head." Matt 27:29-30

What if I understand it?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

At some point, you have to let men try to articulate what they have seen. Epi says when he walked in the Spirit, He saw a most amazing light.

I didn't say you have prevented him from sharing what he has seen, so I'm a bit lost there...

I’m sorry. didn’t mean to imply that you had only meant I’m not in the way of his articulating so I don’t have to let him ...since I have nothing to do with what Epi does or doesn’t do. is that clearer?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I’m sorry. didn’t mean to imply that you had only meant I’m not in the way of his articulating so I don’t have to let him ...since I have nothing to do with what Epi does or doesn’t do. is that clearer?

Umm...no. It didn't make what you were trying to say any clearer to me.