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Modern Israelis are mostly impostors.I have to tell you all that speaking as an Israeli, this is a pretty funny thread.
Modern Israelis are mostly impostors.
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews*, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
aios = pertaining to
Iouda = Juda
Ioudaios = Juda-aios
Should read..........
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Judeans, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Well I don't believe the primacy of scripture was Greek but most modern English translations were based on a Greek version and many mistranslations were made due to a lack of proper translations and the influence of people whom the Lord Yeshua called generations of vipers .
Is there some reason you are using Greek to explain Hebrew to me? Personally, I understand Hebrew just fine and would prefer to stick with it when I study the Bible. I don't like Hellenism much. Trying to interpret the Bible in the light of Hellenism just sets my teeth on edge.
Well I don't believe the primacy of scripture was Greek but most modern English translations were based on a Greek version and many mistranslations were made due to a lack of proper translations and the influence of people whom the Lord Yeshua called generations of vipers .
I don't know what you accept as your biblical NT source but I know where much of the confusion exist on the topic and the confusion is wide spread these days and I've never heard many Jewish or ex-Jewish people touch the topic. Nathan Kapner does get close.
While the translators did the best they could they did in fact err, imo.
While the book of Mathias was believed to be written in Hebrew some believe it was the Aramaic form that went into the Peshi-ita
Do you study the Peshi-tta?
If you have a modern Hebrew translation of the Ha'Brit Chadasha I would have no way of knowing.
The Ha'Brit Chadasha in modern Hebrew would likely have the same Jewish slant to it from a Jewish translator.
Christ warned the world of these false teachers whose Father was the Father of lies and I would not give an ear to their teachings.
With that said........
You are welcome to explain the actual way things went down over 2000 years ago in Judea and how and when the Jew became known as Judaeans with a claim of being from the tribe of Judah.
I'm aware that many non-Jewish people converted to the tainted Judaism and may still claim to be Jewish which can be a religious or ethnic group depending on how advantageous the situation is.
Also if you can and you care to explain why the Old Jewish encyclopedia had Jews listed as children of Edom when that is exactly where the Jews were living in the first biblical mention of the people called Jews during the time Ahaz, a son of David ruled Jerusalem and Judea for 16 years. Even the Wiki online tells that Edomites moved to Hebron when Judeans were taken to Babylon after helping plunder and Slaughter the Judeans there. see Wiki/Edom/History
Maybe this is all new to you? Maybe you could explain the controversy of Zion too? Isa 34:8
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Shlama/Shalom
Jacob's name was changed to Isreal. The Jewish community have identified the 10 lost tribes and have documented them.
Name 10 christian nations. For a fact we know the USA is not a christian nation. Claims it is not a christian nation. And, has dedicated every building in washington to Baal. What is the Washington monument? The UK is not a christian nation. France.......surely you jest. Italy. Vatican..... no way. China. Russia...... I don't think so. Spain? Germany? There is no universal church or central church with its dictate from its throne --- local churches of believers is where you will find Christ.
Do any of you know what, physically, separates a Jewish male from a Gentile?
It is given to us in Lev. 12:1-3
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
Every Jewish male has been circumcised on the 8th day.
Any male who was not circumcised on the 8th day is not, repeat NOT, an Israelite, a Jew.
Our Lord was circumcised on the 8th day, according to Luke 2:21, in accordance with the law.
God Bless you. Charlie.
I have to tell you all that speaking as an Israeli, this is a pretty funny thread.
I realize this post has a few months of dust on it but allow me to point out a major flaw in this post that continues to spread amongst the church like a wildfire on a dry & windy summer day.Do any of you know what, physically, separates a Jewish male from a Gentile?
It is given to us in Lev. 12:1-3
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
Every Jewish male has been circumcised on the 8th day.
Any male who was not circumcised on the 8th day is not, repeat NOT, an Israelite, a Jew.
Our Lord was circumcised on the 8th day, according to Luke 2:21, in accordance with the law.
God Bless you. Charlie.
<div class='quotetop'>(tomwebster;64752)</div><div class='quotemain'>logabe,Just curious as to where you are getting all your material? And what does it have to do with the topic of this thread?</div>I know your question is not directed at me, but I'm missing something here. I think logabe's comments have everything to do with the subject of this thread, unless something was said that I missed somewhere.From what I read and understood, I think logabe did a fine job summarizing the fate of the lost house of Israel, the birthright and so forth. The story of Joseph is especially true. What logabe brought up is a truth seldom mentioned even by lost tribe ministries. Joseph was "lost" to his brethren and became "Gentile" and totally unrecognizable. This foreshadows a time when Israel would become great (as did Joseph) in their lost and Gentile state. In the end, all were reunited (as in Ezekiel 37 says one day will be the case).
Most of my material comes from Dr. Stephen Jones. He has helped me understand
the Bible in such a way that I can't thank him enough. I was in religion for 17 yrs. and
when Dr. Jones came along it was a fresh breath of air. You might want to try him out
sometime @ www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org.
Logabe
I checked out some of his articles. I like his position on Paul's Epistles, but not his suppositions on end time prophecy, for he appears to be a follower of Preterism.
No... the Preterist can't stand him... he uncovers some of their
half truths in his blogs and they are not to fond of him. I have
met some of them that didn't have anything good to say about
him.
Logabe
I believe that after the Assyrians captured the 10 northern tribes and 2 southern tribes of Israel and put them into captivity in the land of the Medes and Persians that the Israelites migrated northward into the area we call Europe today. The only segment of the Israelitish population that did not go into Assyrian captivity was that portion of Judah (and Benjamin) that we protected within the three fenced cities. The Babylonians later took that portion of Judah into captivity. Paul was an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin. A major misnomer taught in mainstream Christian churches is that all Israelites are Jews. This is simply a false belief. The term "Jew" was used to describe those of the tribe of Judah. Someone of the tribe of Judah could possibly be called a Jew but someone of the tribe of Dan or Manassah is not a Jew.
It's amusing watching 'Christians' trying to deny that the Nation called Israel isn't really Israel. Sad but amusing.