Why are the 7 Churches in Revelation each greeted differently...

[Waiting on him]

You're probably pretty much like the rest of us here. So, God using ANYONE shouldn't come as any surprise.

I was just reading @Episkopos thread on the walls of Jericho, and in light of what’s being stated I’m starting to believe that what we’re seeing is the transformation of a man, at the revelation of Christ.

 

[Waiting on him]

There are many parallels between the two books

 

[marks]

To the OP . . .

Ephesus was facing fragmentation, in false apostles, and removal for having left their first love.. Jesus introduces Himself as the One Who is holding them all, never left them, and is in all their midst, He gives unity, not a false unity with false teachers.

Smyrna was facing death, Jesus introduces Himself as having power over death.

Pergamos - bad marriage - is a mixture of true and false, Jesus is the sharp two-edged sword that divides.

Thyatira, the "prophetess" is warned agains judgment, and her children with judgment, by He Who has eyes like fire, and feet like brass in the furnace, tokens of judgment.

Sardis is warned that they are not continuing in what they began, by He Who holds the messengers of the churches, and the 7 Spirit, He provides leading outside and inside by His ministers and the gift of His Spirit, so we can complete our race.

Philadelphia, the One Who is Holy and True, and Who is victorious over all, though they be weak, He assures them of victory.

To the Laodiceans, the Preeminent, the Faithful and True, invites them to come to Him, and to realize the emptiness of what they don't even actually have.

My impressions only.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

To the OP . . .

Ephesus was facing fragmentation, in false apostles, and removal for having left their first love.. Jesus introduces Himself as the One Who is holding them all, never left them, and is in all their midst, He gives unity, not a false unity with false teachers.

Smyrna was facing death, Jesus introduces Himself as having power over death.

Pergamos - bad marriage - is a mixture of true and false, Jesus is the sharp two-edged sword that divides.

Thyatira, the "prophetess" is warned agains judgment, and her children with judgment, by He Who has eyes like fire, and feet like brass in the furnace, tokens of judgment.

Sardis is warned that they are not continuing in what they began, by He Who holds the messengers of the churches, and the 7 Spirit, He provides leading outside and inside by His ministers and the gift of His Spirit, so we can complete our race.

Philadelphia, the One Who is Holy and True, and Who is victorious over all, though they be weak, He assures them of victory.

To the Laodiceans, the Preeminent, the Faithful and True, invites them to come to Him, and to realize the emptiness of what they don't even actually have.

My impressions only.

Much love!

Glad to see your feeling better!

 

[marks]

Glad to see your feeling better!

that's what I like about you, your optimism!



But this has been good distraction!

Much love!

 

[Willie T]

Give her another hint willie.

She has the three books I sent her. One of the neat things you can do with them being in MS Word format, is that you can use your computer's "FIND" feature, and search all the incidences of "structure" in each of them. Days of Vengeance, alone, has more than 80 places where 'structure' is discussed if I remember correctly.

 

[Waiting on him]

She has the three books I sent her. One of the neat things you can do with them being in MS Word format, is that you can use your computer's "FIND" feature, and search all the incidences of "structure" in each of them. Days of Vengeance, alone, has more than 80 places where 'structure' is discussed if I remember correctly.

I’d probably have a better chance at winning the lottery 5 times in a row with the same # as writing something as complex.

 

[Willie T]

I’d probably have a better chance at winning the lottery 5 times in a row with the same # as writing something as complex.

Not sure what you mean, but that is the good part...… other people have researched, studied, and done all the hard work of creating books. All we have to do is read them. And with computers, we can just search for only what may interest us at the moment.

 

[Waiting on him]

Not sure what you mean, but that is the good part...… other people have researched, studied, and done all the hard work of creating books. All we have to do is read them. And with computers, we can just search for only what may interest us at the moment.

Sorry for the lack of clarity, was referring to the book of revelation, but you right a wealth of modern tools at our hands.

 

[Heart2Soul]

You guys want something that will leave you scratching your heads about this question of structure?
Does the Book of Revelation have a structure? | Psephizo

I actually read the link...and comments....starts getting confusing.. so this brings up the scripture that says God is not the author of confusion. So I believe there can only be one solution....the Holy Spirit who can open our eyes and understanding.

 

[farouk]

It perhaps good to bear in mind that local conditions in various local churches may differ considerably, calling for various, different responses.

 

[Enoch111]

I actually read the link...and comments....starts getting confusing.. so this brings up the scripture that says God is not the author of confusion.

There is a lot of confusion about Bible prophecy because invalid methods of Bible interpretation have been applied to it. One of the common errors is to call the Papacy the Antichrist, when the Bible is crystal clear that the future Antichrist will have just 3 1/2 years to do his dastardly deeds (see Revelation 13), and his seat of power will be Jerusalem, not Rome (see 2 Thess 2).

How do we know this? The same time frame is expressed in different ways so that there can be no doubt whatsoever.

With a prophetic month of 30 days, we have this time shown as 1,260 days, 42 months, and time (1 year), times (2 years), and half a time (6 months) for a total of 3 1/2 years, which is exactly half of a seven-year period called a *week* (literally *a seven* or a heptad from the Hebrew shabua).

 

[ScottA]

There is a lot of confusion about Bible prophecy because invalid methods of Bible interpretation have been applied to it. One of the common errors is to call the Papacy the Antichrist, when the Bible is crystal clear that the future Antichrist will have just 3 1/2 years to do his dastardly deeds (see Revelation 13), and his seat of power will be Jerusalem, not Rome (see 2 Thess 2).

How do we know this? The same time frame is expressed in different ways so that there can be no doubt whatsoever.

With a prophetic month of 30 days, we have this time shown as 1,260 days, 42 months, and time (1 year), times (2 years), and half a time (6 months) for a total of 3 1/2 years, which is exactly half of a seven-year period called a *week* (literally *a seven* or a heptad from the Hebrew shabua).

You (and most) are thinking way too small. Those words are spirit, not math, and not days or dates.

But hey, try the "How do we know this" thing: Was he who is against Christ active and doing his dastardly deeds in the beginning? Was he active yesterday? How about today?

You see, that 3 1/2 year formula just doesn't work. Too small. The rest of it doesn't work either.

But...I did just give you the correct formula.

 

[Enoch111]

You see, that 3 1/2 year formula just doesn't work. Too small. The rest of it doesn't work either.

It is not a formula BUT A FACT. A Bible fact.
And there was given unto him [the Beast, the Antichrist] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5)

42 months/12 = 3 1/2 years.

 

[farouk]

Sorry for the lack of clarity, was referring to the book of revelation, but you right a wealth of modern tools at our hands.

On the one hand today there are a lot of Bible helps available; on the other so many Christians seem not to be reading their Bibles as thoroughly as they used to...

 

[Waiting on him]

Odd you say that, I’m definitely not a mental giant. One of my catholic brothers informed me just the other day there are solas. I have very limited knowledge of church history.

One said any man having put his hand to the plow and looking back is not fit. What does this mean?

Though I have limited knowledge I still believe God speaks to me through his word, and works his will through me.

 

[ScottA]

It is not a formula BUT A FACT. A Bible fact.
And there was given unto him [the Beast, the Antichrist] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5)

42 months/12 = 3 1/2 years.

You missed it. Try again:

Those words are spirit, not math, and not days or dates.

Here is the "Bible fact" you have left out of your equation:

John 6:63
"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life."

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

In Chapter 1 all of the characteristics below are used to describe Jesus...but when addressing each church separately only 1 characteristic is used in the greeting to the church....and each church received a different one. WHY? Is there any significance to this?
Refer to Revelation 1:11-20


2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars;

7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

I don't believe this was done by mistake or happenstance. I believe there is a reason and am studying it as best I can. Anyone got an answer?

The first vision, at Revelation 1:10–3:22, features stirring messages that the glorified Jesus conveys to the “angels,” or overseers, of seven Asian congregations that picture the entire global congregation of Jehovah’s people in “the Lord’s day.”

These seven symbolic stars are seen to be upon Jesus’ right hand, they are in his care and charge and under his direction, his ‘right hand’ of applied power being able to direct and protect them. . . . As the ‘seven lampstands’ in the visionary ‘Lord’s day’ pictured all the true Christian congregations in this present, real ‘Lord’s day since 1914 C.E., so the ‘seven stars’ symbolize all the spirit-begotten, anointed angellike overseers of such congregations of today.”

 

[Waiting on him]

The first vision, at Revelation 1:10–3:22, features stirring messages that the glorified Jesus conveys to the “angels,” or overseers, of seven Asian congregations that picture the entire global congregation of Jehovah’s people in “the Lord’s day.”

These seven symbolic stars are seen to be upon Jesus’ right hand, they are in his care and charge and under his direction, his ‘right hand’ of applied power being able to direct and protect them. . . . As the ‘seven lampstands’ in the visionary ‘Lord’s day’ pictured all the true Christian congregations in this present, real ‘Lord’s day since 1914 C.E., so the ‘seven stars’ symbolize all the spirit-begotten, anointed angellike overseers of such congregations of today.”

Very good Barney, only one question, when did Jehovah die?

Revelation 2:8 KJV
[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;


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[Davy]

Very good Barney, only one question, when did Jehovah die?

Revelation 2:8 KJV
[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;


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That of course is about Christ's death and resurrection, a New Testament Bible 101 doctrine every... Christian should know.