Why?This verse proves to me Hebrews was written by Paul... Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you. - Hebrews 13:23
Because they travelled together?
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Why?This verse proves to me Hebrews was written by Paul... Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you. - Hebrews 13:23
There are strong indications that it might indeed have been Paul. It just doesn't say so explicitly in the text itself.This verse proves to me Hebrews was written by Paul... Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you. - Hebrews 13:23
I have to log off ,,,,The church of Rome does like to hold that the Bible is by courtesy of itself; but actually the authority of a Bible book comes from its Spirit-inspired, authorship.
Nothing in Scripture later gained the status of being the Word of God that it didn't have before. Otherwise the church is supposedly exercising some kind of infallibility over and above that of Scripture.I have to log off ,,,,
but what do you mean?
Not EVERY LETTER that was written went into the N.T.
Only certain letters made it into the N.T.
THOSE letters were chosen by the Early Church Fathers....
Those are canon...
Who do YOU think put the N.T. together?
Tomorrow...
There is an underlaying assumption here that all men receive life in the same method that the first man received his life.
But we do not believe that either Adam or Eve were born from an human mother, therefore, God didn't in fact duplicate either the first man, or the first woman in how He made them. And He didn't even repeat the method with Eve.
I see a fundamental difference here.
Adam was formed from dirt, and God breathed into his nostrils, and that dirt form came alive, became a living being.
An unborn baby is not a dirt formation, it's a moving, eating, reacting, responding creature which is thinking, forming memories, exhibiting personality, and individuality.
Are you sure God doesn't see this little wiggly mini-human as an actual living person?
Much love!
Once upon a time it was 'legal' to sacrifice children to Molech too...
Men 'legalizing' murder does not change it from still being murder.
When did a woman being 'with child' morph into being 'with fetus'? When people wanted to justify murdering their children.
I disagree with what you say.
I've never heard a Christian person say anything so wrong as you are right now.
What God says is this:
THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
Life is in an embryo from the moment of conception.
It's up to God to decide if that embryo goes to term or not.
When God worked in Genesis, He did something very important which you seem to have missed.
Genesis 1:22
Genesis 1:28
Genesis 1:29
Genesis 1:30
Genesis 2:7
Genesis 2:21
Genesis 1:22 and Genesis 1:28
God said to be fruitful and multiply.
God gave to the plants the ABILITY to multiply.
He gave to animals the ability to reproduce themselves.
He gave HUMANS the ability to multiply themselves.
God set the world in motion and the laws of nature in motion...
and today we live by those laws.
God breathed life into man ONE TIME in Genesis when man was created so that he would not be dead dirt from the ground.
We're alive now...we reproduce ourselves now...we follow the laws of nature now when a baby is formed by us, humans.
All of nature reproduces itself....This is the will of God...He is not required to make every little seed germinate...He embedded this information into a kernel...
He is not required to imbed a sperm into an ovum...this information is already present and acts in the laws God set up.
Notice that in Genesis 1:29 God says that He has given man every fruit bearing seed.
Does man not also have a fruit bearing seed to reproduce himself?
Genesis 2:7 and Genesis 2:21
In Genesis 2:7 God formed man out of dust from the ground and breathed life into him.
Does God have to do this for every human that is born?
NO. He did this one time to GIVE MAN LIFE.
We now have life and must only perpetuate it.
Is a person born alive?
Yes.
Is he not human because he may or may not be breathing?
IF HE DOES NOT BREATH....He is still a human being...
one that HAS DIED...not one that never lived - because in the womb his heart was beating and there was life because there was movement.
Adam had blood flowing through him after God breathed life into him.
THE LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD.
Genesis 4:11-12
Leviticus 17:13-14
As a Christian person that represents the word of God,
it would behoove you and those that come into contact with
you to study this and come to understand the word of God.
THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
I disagree with what you say.
I've never heard a Christian person say anything so wrong as you are right now.
What God says is this:
THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
Life is in an embryo from the moment of conception.
It's up to God to decide if that embryo goes to term or not.
When God worked in Genesis, He did something very important which you seem to have missed.
Genesis 1:22
Genesis 1:28
Genesis 1:29
Genesis 1:30
Genesis 2:7
Genesis 2:21
Genesis 1:22 and Genesis 1:28
God said to be fruitful and multiply.
God gave to the plants the ABILITY to multiply.
He gave to animals the ability to reproduce themselves.
He gave HUMANS the ability to multiply themselves.
God set the world in motion and the laws of nature in motion...
and today we live by those laws.
God breathed life into man ONE TIME in Genesis when man was created so that he would not be dead dirt from the ground.
We're alive now...we reproduce ourselves now...we follow the laws of nature now when a baby is formed by us, humans.
All of nature reproduces itself....This is the will of God...He is not required to make every little seed germinate...He embedded this information into a kernel...
He is not required to imbed a sperm into an ovum...this information is already present and acts in the laws God set up.
Notice that in Genesis 1:29 God says that He has given man every fruit bearing seed.
Does man not also have a fruit bearing seed to reproduce himself?
Genesis 2:7 and Genesis 2:21
In Genesis 2:7 God formed man out of dust from the ground and breathed life into him.
Does God have to do this for every human that is born?
NO. He did this one time to GIVE MAN LIFE.
We now have life and must only perpetuate it.
Is a person born alive?
Yes.
Is he not human because he may or may not be breathing?
IF HE DOES NOT BREATH....He is still a human being...
one that HAS DIED...not one that never lived - because in the womb his heart was beating and there was life because there was movement.
Adam had blood flowing through him after God breathed life into him.
THE LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD.
Genesis 4:11-12
Leviticus 17:13-14
As a Christian person that represents the word of God,
it would behoove you and those that come into contact with
you to study this and come to understand the word of God.
THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
This verse proves to me Hebrews was written by Paul... Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you. - Hebrews 13:23
Thanks for confirming.
I have the Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah but I read it many many years ago.
It's a wonderful book and maybe I should read it again.
This is also for @Grailhunter
Was Hebrews written in Greek ORIGINALLY or was it written with a Greek style?
I can't remember and Stan B brought this up.
A fetus does not become a living being unitil God breathes it's nostrils, the breath of life, and having nostrils would seem to be a prerequisite for that to happen.
Of course you're right.
Nothing trumps the N.T. or what Jesus stated.
But was Calvin led by the Holy Spirit?
He penned a lot of stuff that this theology goes by.
His writings are referred to more than the bible,,,although this is
starting to change.
Are you aware that it was the Early Church Fathers that put together the N.T.?
I'd say that if a person learned from the Apostles,,,surely the Holy Spirit was present and in agreement.
I suppose John the baptist wasn't a 'living being' when he leaped for joy in Elizabeth's womb either?
You are ABSOLUTELY wrong about this.
America and its cesspool of death is doomed unless it repents, humbles itself and begs for God's mercy.
But it will not repent... Come out of her my people!
Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!
It was originally written in Greek. There is a word-play in chapter 9 (the word translated covenant/will/testament) that is central to the writer's argument and only works in Greek.Was Hebrews written in Greek ORIGINALLY or was it written with a Greek style?
I can't remember and Stan B brought this up.
Thanks so much for such a good answer!It was originally written in Greek. There is a word-play in chapter 9 (the word translated covenant/will/testament) that is central to the writer's argument and only works in Greek.
On the authorship of Hebrews: If it was important for us to know, the author's name would have been included.
Paul always signed his letters, so the absence of his name could be significant.
Timothy worked with a lot of other people in the early church, not just Paul.
The best suggestion that I've come across was that it was written by Apollos. We know that he was highly knowledgable about the Old Testament, and that he was a very eloquent speaker (and Hebrews is very eloquent). Also, he knew Timothy well!
But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
Thanks.What language was New Testament written in?
How many Greek manuscripts of the New Testament are there?
Answer: 5,800
Parts of the New Testament have been preserved in more manuscripts than any other ancient work. There are over 5,800 complete or fragmented Greek manuscripts.
Every year, several New Testament manuscripts handwritten in the original Greek format are discovered. The latest substantial find was in 2008, when 47 new manuscripts were discovered in Albania at least 17 of them unknown to Western scholars.
Of the known 5,800+ Greek New Testament manuscripts, there are more than 2.6 million pages! That equates to one mile of New Testament manuscripts (and 2.5 miles for the entire Bible), compared with an average four feet of manuscript by the average classical writer. Combining both the Old and New Testament, we have more than 66,000 manuscripts and scrolls!
The earliest manuscript of a New Testament text is a business-card-sized fragment from the Gospel of John, Rylands Library Papyrus P52, which may be as early as the first half of the 2nd century.
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This verse proves to me Hebrews was written by Paul... Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you. - Hebrews 13:23
My understanding has been that the canon of the New Testament was generally accepted well before the council, but it needed to be clarified because many others wanted to get their choices in.Nothing in Scripture later gained the status of being the Word of God that it didn't have before. Otherwise the church is supposedly exercising some kind of infallibility over and above that of Scripture.
Marks says >>"There is an underlaying assumption here that all men receive life in the same method that the first man received his life."
Adam was formed from dirt, and God breathed into his nostrils, and that dirt form came alive, became a living being."
"An unborn baby is not a dirt formation, it's a moving, eating, reacting, responding creature which is thinking, forming memories, exhibiting personality, and individuality."
Okay Marks, When did God change His plan? Scriptural reference?
The dirt routine was still going full speed ahead in Job's day:
“Behold, I belong to God like you;
I too have been formed out of the clay."
“The Spirit of God has made me,
And the breath of the Almighty gives me life." Job 33
God forms man from a pile of dust (the womb). It has no life on it's own, it is created merely as a body to contain and convey the spirit of man.
When the fetus is fully formed, God gives man his spirit, WHEN when He breathes into man's nostrils the breath of life, and he becomes a living being. And when he dies man's body returns to the dust from whence it came; And the spirit returns to God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 12:7
The body is merely a temporary pile of dust, crafted to convey the spirit of man. Not only is the body created from dust, but it is sustained by dust. Everything we eat comes from dirt!
Looking forward to hearing your revelation as the when God stopped making man from dirt.
I never thought about that but you're right, I'm sure!It was originally written in Greek. There is a word-play in chapter 9 (the word translated covenant/will/testament) that is central to the writer's argument and only works in Greek.
On the authorship of Hebrews: If it was important for us to know, the author's name would have been included.
Paul always signed his letters, so the absence of his name could be significant.
Timothy worked with a lot of other people in the early church, not just Paul.
The best suggestion that I've come across was that it was written by Apollos. We know that he was highly knowledgable about the Old Testament, and that he was a very eloquent speaker (and Hebrews is very eloquent). Also, he knew Timothy well!
But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.