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What, Christians are those who have studied. You are seriously mistaken and are teaching falsehood.
Christians, the chosen, elect, the predesdined etc are those who Jesus died and rose again for.
There is No educational qualifcation to be saved.



More unbiblical nonsence. As Hebrews says, 'it is given to men ONCE to die and after that comes Judgement.

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So He made me and said,well,He's going to hell and this one to heaven,and you had nothing to do with it?

That's foolish!!!!!
Read Romans 9-11. Doesn't the potter have the right to do what he wants with the clay?
 

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Do you all think God knows who will chose Him and who will not?
I say no ,welcoming thoughts.Will elaborate more after a few responses

God declared He knew us before we came into existence and what our end is.
So He knows it all.

But to know is not the same as fate. As a result of our interactions, the Lord will bring through His elect.
It is the reason for creation, to create and purchase His elect from among men.

He has counted us worthy, through His grace, to redeem us from the dead. We have not earnt it, but received
it in humble repentance and faith, through seeing His body upon the cross given for our sins and our redemption.

13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
17 How precious to me are your thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them!
Psalm 139

29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Rom 8

11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
12 in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.
Eph 1
 

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So He made me and said,well,He's going to hell and this one to heaven,and you had nothing to do with it?

That's foolish!!!!!
I find it very foolish; and it makes God look bad. I couldn't believe that. It is written that God is not willing that any should perish. I believe it. God is Good. God is Love.

Some people "know" God before they're born, and He also knows them. They're already on track. Others are not "known" in the same way. God knows about them but He does not "know" them in an intimate sense.

The elect come to earth as God's servants so that others can come to the Light. So I believe. They have a mission before they come too; and in due course of time, God "calls" them. Then they know what they're supposed to do to help other people.

People say God knows everything. It is written that He knows the beginning and end -- not everything in between. There's nothing for Him for know if people haven't made their choices yet. God Himself does not even see wickedness.

Habakkuk 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

That is where Jesus comes in. He can relate both to God and man. He can help us remove iniquity so God can "see" us.

Time as we know is an illusion. When God forgives sins, He forgets them. They aren't real anymore -- not in the Eternal Now. God is not trapped by time. What's to know about them then if they don't exist?

Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
 
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God declared He knew us before we came into existence and what our end is.
So He knows it all.

But to know is not the same as fate. As a result of our interactions, the Lord will bring through His elect.
It is the reason for creation, to create and purchase His elect from among men.

He has counted us worthy, through His grace, to redeem us from the dead. We have not earnt it, but received
it in humble repentance and faith, through seeing His body upon the cross given for our sins and our redemption.

13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
17 How precious to me are your thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them!
Psalm 139

29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Rom 8

11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
12 in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.
Eph 1
That's about the people He knew before they were born. What about the people He didn't foreknow? Is He willing that they should perish, or should the elect be doing something so they don't perish?
 

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More unbiblical nonsence. As Hebrews says, 'it is given to men ONCE to die and after that comes Judgement.
Is that the death of the physical body or the final death of the carnal nature? Let's look at the context.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
 

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There's a reason God chose certain people and it's not because He knows everything...
Would it help to recall that when Israel took the vow at Sinai, there were "people" who took the vow who were not standing there in physical bodies?

Deuteronomy 29:14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15 but with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:


We read the book of Jonah who says he will keep him vow. We are told what vow that was.

Jonah 2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the Lord.

I think he meant the vow at Sinai. Israel was supposed to act as a nation of priests, interceding for other nations. When God called him, at first Jonah was reluctant but finally agreed to keep his vow.
 

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Do you all think God knows who will chose Him and who will not?

I say no ,welcoming thoughts.Will elaborate more after a few responses

When you ask a question like this you realize you are looking at this from God's side, not mans. So you must be prepared to consider things that are not understandable to man. The ways of God are not our ways. So many here want to make God to be just like man.

Of course God knows who will choose Him, else He wouldn't be God. And of course God knows who will choose Him because it is God who first does the choosing. God's will is exercised first. Then man exercises his will.

There are an abundance of Scriptures to prove it, which I am sure you are aware of. You can believe them or disbelieve them if you want.

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That's about the people He knew before they were born. What about the people He didn't foreknow? Is He willing that they should perish, or should the elect be doing something so they don't perish?

The people God doesn't know, don't choose God. He is quite willing that all come. But not all come. The elect who are saved, bring the message of the Gospel to all. But only the elect will choose Jesus Christ.

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Who said anything about defective? Does He or doesn't He have the right to make whatever He wants for whatever purpose He wants?
The implication is there if we say some people are damned and there's nothing they can do about it.

We are told what His purpose was. God loved us. God is Love. It wasn't to consign anyone to hellfire for eternity.

If God is not willing that any should perish, would He make anyone knowing in advance they must perish?
 
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The limitations of free will is to find the optimum strategy for people to respond. Look at the world. So much wealth and success yet man chooses sin and selfishness above love and care. In a peaceful world, drugs and anxiousness rather that calm and harmony.

If you are not boss you are nothing.
No wonder finding God is so hard.