Hey I didn't mean to offend you...thought you would have a thicker skin than that.
Has Jesus come in the spirit?
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I understand returning good for good and evil for evil; and I understand returning good for evil. I do not understand what you did to me.
I believe I returned good for good. I didn't quote the verse in question, now, did I? (for I only referenced it). The statement remains hidden to most. It was simply a piece of advice for you; to help you in the future.
Of course, Proverbs 23:9 may apply.
historyb
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Proper church would be the ones that follow historic Christianity not like the evangelicals churches
Would not a person being led by the Holy Spirit be proper church? Would simply following historic Christianity rather than Holy Spirit increase the possibility of following leaders who are in error?
historyb
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Well your answer is at least clear and easy to understand!
If by "historic Christianity" you mean the doctrines and practices of the Catholic and Orthodox churches, you would be simply deluding yourself. There are some very serious errors which crept into these churches a long time ago and became enshrined as Gospel truth simply because they were supposed to be "Holy Tradition". But it is Scripture alone which determines what is true and what is false.
historyb
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Scripture alone is a man made idea and has led to much heresey as anyone can see that inhabits evangelical forums sch as these
That is exactly correct according to what Jesus said of how He would build His church.
The "historic church" however, has a very poor track record. Just look at the 7 churches of revelation, 5 Jesus had "somewhat against."
How can it be a man-made idea if God is the one who planted that idea? Looks like you do not believe God.
Of course, there would be no point quoting Scripture to you in order to prove this. But even the Catholic Augustine had to acknowledge this truth.
"Tolle, lege; Tolle, lege, Take up and read, take up and read the Scriptures, (for unto them was the direction) it was said unto S. Augustine by a supernatural voice. Whatsoever is in the Scriptures, believe me, saith the same S. Augustine, is high and divine; there is verily truth, and a doctrine most fit for the refreshing and renewing of men's minds, and truly so tempered, that everyone may draw from thence that which is sufficient for him, if he come to draw with a devout and pious mind, as true Religion requireth. Thus S. Augustine. And S. Jerome: Ama scripturas, et amabit te sapientia, etc. Love the Scriptures, and wisdom will love thee..."
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historyb
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God did not give Sola Scriptuta man, satan did. People have been leaving Christ since the beginning Sola Scriptura is another example of man making a doctrine that is pleasing to them a doctrine of demons to be sure
So we are to follow what the Pope says ex cathedra instead?
To say that the devil originated the doctrine of sola scriptura is borderline blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (if it is not the actual sin).
For He inspired it to be written by the hand of Paul,
2Ti 3:15, And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17, That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
historyb
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I am not Catholic so do what you want. Those verses say nothing about sola scriptura, I wonder exactly how dumb evangelicals really are. First they hate the historic Church than make up doctrines so they can feel better about not really following Christ but following their own version propping up heresy along the way. Yes Sola Scriptura never came from God but at most is from the enemy
Now I believe that the gift of prophecy is for today, so I will not make a case for sola scriptura to the exclusion of that concept.
But I will say that we have a closed canon and that anything spoken or written that is extra-biblical is to be taken with a grain of salt and tested by what is in the Bible.
The 66 books of the Bible are the final standard by which we judge everything.
1Th 5:19, Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20, Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21, Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
If anyone seeks to proclaim a doctrine that is not substantiated by the closed canon of scripture, those who are truly saved will not accept it as gospel truth, even if it is substantiated by extra-biblical writings or authors from "the church".
But I will say that we have a closed canon and that anything spoken or written that is extra-biblical is to be taken with a grain of salt and tested by what is in the Bible.
The 66 books of the Bible are the final standard by which we judge everything.
1Th 5:19, Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20, Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21, Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
If anyone seeks to proclaim a doctrine that is not substantiated by the closed canon of scripture, those who are truly saved will not accept it as gospel truth, even if it is substantiated by extra-biblical writings or authors from "the church".
historyb
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The Bible has more than 66 books, unless one goes by the council at jamnia that hated Christ. The real Bible contains 72 books
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