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What you posted was this:

Yes, I did. And then you added words to my mouth. Then I stated that you were wrong that I only need the Bible to see the fallen world around me (and in the news).

God commands us to have no other gods before him.

And I don't have other gods before him. I never said I did.

Do you really think God will draw the line at a literal throne? The antichrist sits in the temple showing himself to be God. If I no longer worship in spirit and truth, I am an antichrist. I am sitting in a position of authority over myself instead of having God sovereign over my life. When Jesus says, "I never knew you", he isn't saying that because people bowed down to a literal throne. They were acting according to their own will rather than God's will.

Yes, I do really think that the prophecy that Jesus Christ gave John the Revelator that resulted in the book of Revelation is the final line in the sand. The throne is just a part of that. The reason I say the beat/satan will have a physical throne in full view, is based upon another prophecy in scripture:
2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 "3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

You don't agree that the prophecies in scripture (2 Thessalonians 2, and Revelation) will be true?

Pushback? You mean like pushing back some 50 million abortions? Oh wait, we didn't push them back at all, did we? Do you know how big a lake would be necessary to contain that much blood? Do you mean the pushback that prevented those hundreds of thousands of people from being blown to pieces by our military? Oh wait, there was no pushback at all, was there? The law of the land in the US today literally allows for highway robbery. It's a multibillion dollar business, and there's no pushback from God at all. A law enforcement officer can pull you over, and claim that your car as well as all of its contents could have been used in a crime, and confiscate all of it, including whatever money, credit cards, etc. are in your wallet. You'll never get any of it back either. There are over 80,000 SWAT raids conducted in this country every year. Innocent people are being blown to pieces in this country every day by law enforcement, and they're doing it with impunity.

Yes, pushback. The only reason all things that satan likes in opposition to God are not legal by government enforcement right now, is because of God and God alone. Voters and believers are not able to do what God can do.

if you can't see the tribulation that is going on all around you, I don't see how you can have a clue.

Again, I didn't say I can't see some tribulation going on right now, you are once again putting words into my mouth.

I stated that it's a fallen world, and can see that around me.

I disagree that "the Tribulation" (as Revelation states it will unfold) as begun however.

Jesus said we will have tribulation in this life. Some scripture:
-2 Corinthians 4:8-12 "We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So death is at work in us, but life in you."
-1 Thessalonians 1:6 "And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:"
-2 Timothy 3:12 "Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted"
-Romans 8:35 "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?"
-Matthew 13:21 "Yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away."

I have more than a clue, I have Jesus' teachings.

There are countless people who are serving life sentences in prison without the possibility of parole for doing nothing other than working at their job. I know one guy in particular who was a mechanic working on a fleet of trucks that turned out to be owned by a company that was trafficking drugs. The mechanic didn't know what they were doing, but that didn't stop the government from putting him away for life without parole. Murderers get out in a just a few years with good behavior. Snowden, Assange, Manning, Roger Stone and others have pointed out that the government is murdering people with impunity, and the government is actively working to put them away forever.

I didn't say I was for the USA, or any country or kingdom in satan's kingdom. In fact, as I've stated on this forum many times, I am not for any country here on Earth. I'm for Jesus' kingdom, now, and in the millinium when he will reign on Earth in person.

Jesus asked if anyone had a Roman coin. He didn't have one, and when they placed it into his hand, he told them "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's". What we have today is anathema to God. The entire banking system is satanic to the core. It is blatant fraud to print money that is essentially worthless, and pretend that it has any value at all. It literally states right on the front that it isn't even money. It's literally a token of trillions of dollars of debt; debt that can never be repaid without making it completely worthless. It's pure evil, but hey we all know that when there's a tattoo or an RFID chip, that makes all the difference. That's what really makes it evil, right? Let's apply this theory to prostitution, shall we? Why not? After all, it's the mark itself that makes it evil, right? So if there's no mark, then prostitution, fornication, etc. are all perfectly fine and condoned by God up to, and until that mark shows up. Good to know...

So you're telling me to not live with money, or use money, in this country, today, yet you are communicating with me on a computer that was purchased with money. Are you homeless too? Do you have a car? A job that pays money?

And I didn't say that it was "only" the mark itself that is evil. Where are you getting these words you're putting into my mouth. This is getting old already; are you sure you don't want to have a conversation by yourself?

"So if there's no mark, then prostitution, fornication, etc. are all perfectly fine and condoned by God up to, and until that mark shows up. Good to know..."

I never said it was condoned by God, nor that if there's no mark then prostituition, fornication, etc. are perfectly fine. Never once did I say that. You are putting words into my mouth again. You're having a conversation with yourself and not me...

God says prostitution, fornication, killing, drugs, etc, is wrong. Yet nowadays, there are some laws of men that make some of those illegal, and some of those legal. Regardless of mankind's legality of those behaviors, God is against them.

Here on earth, now, prostitution is illegal. A lot of drugs are illegal. Fornication is legal. Killing is sometimes legal - in war, by cops, yet most times is illegal.

In God's laws, all those are illegal. So there's a discrepancy, specifically, satan's kingdoms here on earth.

I believe that in satan's kingdom during the tribulation of Revelation, that it will probably be legal to sell/buy sex, fornicate, buy/sell/use all drugs. Killing will be legal by government enforcers. Abortion will continue to be legal.
 

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Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."
Let’s look at this one, since I’ve personally experienced it. That man of sin was/is me, that’s right, there I was sitting on his rightful throne opposing and exalting myself above all that is called God. But then he that was preventing was taken out of the way. Praise God.
Could it be that there are just some man made theology out there, that distorts Gods truth

2 Thessalonians 2:8-9 KJV
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

^^^ this also happened/happening
Well anyhow this has been my experience. I’d only add once again the wheat grows and is harvested with the tares.
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Let’s look at this one, since I’ve personally experienced it. That man of sin was/is me, that’s right, there I was sitting on his rightful throne opposing and exalting myself above all that is called God. But then he that was preventing was taken out of the way. Praise God.
Could it be that there are just some man made theology out there, that distorts Gods truth

2 Thessalonians 2:8-9 KJV
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

^^^ this also happened/happening
Well anyhow this has been my experience. I’d only add once again the wheat grows and is harvested with the tares.
Tecarta Bible

If I'm understanding you right, you're saying that the Bible is not to be taken literal, that's it's all just symbols?

Also, are you saying, that you are not only a man of sin, but that you sit on a throne opposing and exalting yourself above all that is called God? I can understand you saying you're a man of sin - we all are sinners, and need Jesus' sacrifice to cover our sins. But that doesn't mean you/I sit upon a throne and oppose and exalt yourself/myself above all that is called God. Being a sinner does not make one the beast/satan.

I don't see how this distorts God's truth at all. Perhaps some of the scripture you are reading isn't meant to be taken symbolically, but literally...And that is what you are calling "man made theology" instead of reading scripture literally as God's word, and not man-made theology.
 

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If I'm understanding you right, you're saying that the Bible is not to be taken literal, that's it's all just symbols?

Also, are you saying, that you are not only a man of sin, but that you sit on a throne opposing and exalting yourself above all that is called God? I can understand you saying you're a man of sin - we all are sinners, and need Jesus' sacrifice to cover our sins. But that doesn't mean you/I sit upon a throne and oppose and exalt yourself/myself above all that is called God. Being a sinner does not make one the beast/satan.

I don't see how this distorts God's truth at all. Perhaps some of the scripture you are reading isn't meant to be taken symbolically, but literally...And that is what you are calling "man made theology" instead of reading scripture literally as God's word, and not man-made theology.
Antichrist is anything that opposes Christ. What I’m saying is this was me prior to his reign on the throne of my heart. This is literal and spiritual for me. I read the left behind series years ago and I believe I’ve heard about every escatalogical explanation there is look at this

Psalm 19:4-6 KJV
[4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, [5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. [6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 KJV
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


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You don't agree that the prophecies in scripture (2 Thessalonians 2, and Revelation) will be true?

I don't agree with your interpretation. Sitting in God's temple has nothing to do with the temple that was destroyed in Jerusalem. 1 Corinthians 6:19 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


believers are not able to do what God can do.

It sounds like you have your own private definition of believers. Believers are just the type who can do what God can do because God gives them the ability to do it.



Again, I didn't say I can't see some tribulation going on right now, you are once again putting words into my mouth.

No, you're changing your story. I supplied your own words which gave no indication that you had a clue what was going on in the world around you.

So you're telling me to not live with money, or use money, in this country, today, yet you are communicating with me on a computer that was purchased with money. Are you homeless too? Do you have a car? A job that pays money?

No, Jesus told you that you can't work for money and God; take your pick. We both know what you've chosen to rely upon so we know where you stand already. I've spent decades living on the street. Just about every library in the US allows people to walk in right off the street and use their computers. I quite working for money ten years ago. I pay NOTHING in property or income taxes. Jesus draws the line at the first dime. I still have money so I will probably see you in hell my friend. Get honest with yourself before it's too late.

And I didn't say that it was "only" the mark itself that is evil.

It's exactly what you posted.

Where are you getting these words you're putting into my mouth. This is getting old already; are you sure you don't want to have a conversation by yourself?

I can only go by what you're actually posting. I'm not a mind reader.


I never said it was condoned by God, nor that if there's no mark then prostituition, fornication, etc. are perfectly fine. Never once did I say that. You are putting words into my mouth again. You're having a conversation with yourself and not me...

I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in your posts. God commands that one engage in honest commerce, and there is nothing honest or fair in the banking system we have today in the world. It is the antithesis of God's law. The world reserve status of the US dollar is a scam, and the rest of the world is waking up to it. Foreign countries are reducing their exposure to US debt. The writing is on the wall, and when all those countries begin looking for something to buy with all those dollars they've been hoarding for decades, it's all going to come back to the US. Do you know what happens when billions upon billions of dollars flood into a country? It's going to be an economic disaster. Your reliance on money will leave you desolate.

Regardless of mankind's legality of those behaviors, God is against them.

He's against dishonest monetary practices as well, and that's exactly what a Central bank is. The BIS, IMF, the Fed, etc. are all dishonest fraudulent scams.

Abortion will continue to be legal.

Oh? Pardon me if your version of prophecy is less than anti climactic.
 

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If God didn't give you a defense, then I doubt your claims. Prove it. Present a defense for your faith. Contrary to your vague references, the church has a defense which you haven't been able to present.

I'll ask you one more time: What is your defense against those who seek to commit abominations within the church? How do you defend the church's right to sanction traditional marriages while rejecting the abominations of the LGBTQ community? Christian churches around the country are already succumbing to pressure from these organizations, and marrying what God expressly forbids. Do you have a defense or not?

1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

2 Corinthians 10:5 - Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Titus 1:9 - Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Thessalonians 2:15 - Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Jude 1:3 - Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
 

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If I'm understanding you right, you're saying that the Bible is not to be taken literal, that's it's all just symbols?

Also, are you saying, that you are not only a man of sin, but that you sit on a throne opposing and exalting yourself above all that is called God? I can understand you saying you're a man of sin - we all are sinners, and need Jesus' sacrifice to cover our sins. But that doesn't mean you/I sit upon a throne and oppose and exalt yourself/myself above all that is called God. Being a sinner does not make one the beast/satan.

I don't see how this distorts God's truth at all. Perhaps some of the scripture you are reading isn't meant to be taken symbolically, but literally...And that is what you are calling "man made theology" instead of reading scripture literally as God's word, and not man-made theology.

When Jesus says, "beware the leaven of the Pharisees", do you think he's talking about bread?
 

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Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ
This was completed by Christ at The Crusifiction.
 

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I don't agree with your interpretation. Sitting in God's temple has nothing to do with the temple that was destroyed in Jerusalem. 1 Corinthians 6:19 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

I don't agree with yours.

1 Corinthians 6:19 is talking about the temple of the Holy Ghost, which is in us believers.

2 Thessalonian 2 is talking about the upcoming temple of God that will be built by Jews (why it's called the "temple of God"), and which the beast/antichrist will sit in.

If you don't agree, ok.

It sounds like you have your own private definition of believers. Believers are just the type who can do what God can do because God gives them the ability to do it.

I have my own private definition of believers? Heh, you're telling me I believe differently, when it's you who just claimed that believers can do what God is able to do...the creator of the Heavens on the Earth is the same as believers He created. That's an unbelievably arrogant statement, and possibly against God.


No, you're changing your story. I supplied your own words which gave no indication that you had a clue what was going on in the world around you.

No I'm not; I'm correcting the words you put into my mouth that I didn't say.

No, Jesus told you that you can't work for money and God; take your pick. We both know what you've chosen to rely upon so we know where you stand already. I've spent decades living on the street. Just about every library in the US allows people to walk in right off the street and use their computers. I quite working for money ten years ago. I pay NOTHING in property or income taxes. Jesus draws the line at the first dime. I still have money so I will probably see you in hell my friend. Get honest with yourself before it's too late.

No, Jesus did not say you can't work for money and God. Jesus said you will serve one or the other; you will love one and despise the other. One can work for money and not love money, while serving God and loving God.

Yes, I know where I stand. Your opinion of where I stand is irrelevant; only Jesus Christ's opinion of me counts.

Great about living on the street. Were you born on the street too? Were you raised with money made from work? You stated you quit working for money ten years ago, so you at least did so at some point...and then you say you still have money while saying I'm the hypocrit.

Jesus covers my sins that I ask forgiveness for. I will be going to Heaven if He, and only He, accepts me. You should try it, Jesus covers sins so you don't have to choose to go to Hell.

It's exactly what you posted.

Please quote my words that said ""only" the mark itself that is evil". I didn't say it. If you read into what I wrote, or what I wrote didn't answer your question/statement, that doesn't mean that is all that I believe. It's called a conversation...

I can only go by what you're actually posting. I'm not a mind reader.

Neither am I. Though you did put words into my mouth that I didn't/wasn't saying.

I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in your posts. God commands that one engage in honest commerce, and there is nothing honest or fair in the banking system we have today in the world. It is the antithesis of God's law. The world reserve status of the US dollar is a scam, and the rest of the world is waking up to it. Foreign countries are reducing their exposure to US debt. The writing is on the wall, and when all those countries begin looking for something to buy with all those dollars they've been hoarding for decades, it's all going to come back to the US. Do you know what happens when billions upon billions of dollars flood into a country? It's going to be an economic disaster. Your reliance on money will leave you desolate. He's against dishonest monetary practices as well, and that's exactly what a Central bank is. The BIS, IMF, the Fed, etc. are all dishonest fraudulent scams.

I wasn't hypocritical. What was hypocritical, is you saying you are a Christian but you think that Jesus doesn't cover your sins and that you are probably going to hell.

I haven't engaged in dishonest commerce. Yes, I agree, the system is dishonest, but I am not. I didn't create the central bank and I don't help run it.

I don't rely on money for life. I rely on Jesus for life. And when I die, and I will, I will enter into eternal life in Heaven with Jesus. So my life here on earth is very short, and temporary, and I seek not survive as long as I can. Same as every other believer in Jesus Christ who covers their sins.

Oh? Pardon me if your version of prophecy is less than anti climactic.

With God's judgment and wrath falling down upon Earth and earth-dwellers, via the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials, it will not be anti-climatic.
 
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So how do "orgies and every type of sexual exploit" fit into the situation today? Are you suggesting that two gay men who are professing their undying love for each other fit into that category? If so, why? And how will that allow you to refrain from validating their "marriage"?
Marriage is for children, not sexual pleasure. Gay people cannot create what God intended. They will try but fail. It is the nature of sin to justify how one feels.
Intimacy is not necessarily sexual, though unfortunately in the world that is all they know it appears. Most marriages are not founded on sex, that is just the beginning.
 
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