I wonder where this might lead...

[ScottA]

But your response claiming that you tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth is hogwash and nothing less.

As for proving that I am in error as to my timing of when Christ returns, you provided no scripture to support your understanding, as to when, you believe, that Christ will return permanently to the face of the earth.

As for being iffy as you put it, Luke 14 speaks of Christ being seen by the Israelites from Jerusalem, judging the heathen nations of the earth assembled at Armageddon, after the 2,300 years of trampling the sanctuary of God and His Hosts, and that the Israelites send a delegation to Him to seek out His terms of Peace with no indication that Christ then hangs around on the face of the earth for 1,000 years ruling the earth from the face of the earth. I believe that Christ returns to heaven and acts as our High Priest with the Saints hat have lost their heads because of their belief in Christ who also are made priests in heaven with Christ as described in rev 20. Then after first dealing with the beast and the false prophet at the end of Rev 19 very near the end of the Millennium Age, Christ then Goes after Satan and also deals with him in Rev 20 and also dispatches Satan into the lake of fire where He will have just also dispatched the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire.

After that we are told that Christ comes to Judge the nations of all the peoples of the earth with some receiving their inheritance because of their righteousness and the other unrighteous people will also then be dispatched into the lake of fire.

Now ScottA have you scripture to counter this understanding?

I gave you the scriptures already, but in typical blind fashion you called me and the scriptures hogwash.

Oh, and then you raddled on with your error filled worldly fulfillment interpretation of heavenly events, showing your complete lack of understanding.

Impressive!

 

[ScottA]

If only we could make things true by saying them.

Just the facts ma'am.

 

[Jay Ross]

I gave you the scriptures already, but in typical blind fashion you called me and the scriptures hogwash.

Oh, and then you raddled on with your error filled worldly fulfillment interpretation of heavenly events, showing your complete lack of understanding.

Impressive!

But ScottA you again provided your opinion on what I wrote, but provided no proof texts to show what my supposed error is. As for your provided scripture to show that Christ will return to the face of the earth, it lacked the confirmation of when the quoted scripture would actually take place.

Is it as I suspect, at the end of the Millennium Age?

My statement that your "response claiming that you tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth is hogwash and nothing less," can even be applied to the scripture you quoted to support your argument, as the Biblical scripture is used outside of its intended message content, then the quoted scripture joins the ranks of the rest of your post as hogwash.

Now if you were to rightly divide the word of God, as you often demonstrate that you cannot, then you posts may even be worth reading.

Now go chew your cud in the corner with the dunces' pointy hat on.

 

[Giuliano]

Just the facts ma'am.

You know what, Scott? I doubt I could cite any source that would convince you of anything. Your mind is like Trump's in that if something disagrees with your views, you dismiss it. It makes discussions difficult; and it makes reaching any kind of agreement next to impossible. You can call what you believe "facts" -- and pretend that they are, I guess. Trump's doing it, and it looks to me as if he's falling apart at the seams.

His latest outrageous comment drew criticism from a Republican Congressman. It's getting too much even for some Republicans.

GOP lawmaker blasts Trump for quoting pastor warning of civil war over impeachment

Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) on Sunday criticized President Trump for quoting a pastor saying impeachment could trigger a "Civil War-like fracture" in the country.

"I have visited nations ravaged by civil war," Kinzinger tweeted.

"I have never imagined such a quote to be repeated by a President. This is beyond repugnant."

The rare rebuke from a Republican member of Congress came in response to Trump tweeting a quote from Pastor Robert Jeffress on Fox News.

"'If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal'," Trump tweeted.

Are you ready to take up arms to fight a civil war if Trump is removed from office? He thinks his supporters would. He thinks he's that important.

 

[Soverign Grace]

I know how you feel. I have been trying for years to get my siblings not to take everything as gospel as the "news" has been canceled! Move on, nothing to see here. They swallow it all, hook line and sinker STILL thinking this government is "for them". It used to be the government was afraid of us...not it's the other way around. I have long since given up even having political conversations with them as, even when confronted by the truth, they shut their ears and eyes. So, I just love them and pray.

We're doing the same thing Nancy - everyone is so indoctrinated that they believe the MSM. We're trying to convince them there is no climate change. You are exactly right about the government. I've been following John Whitehead's blog and he said we are now under martial law. I have such an uneasy feeling that something is underfoot. I was reading that 4Jesus said that 9-11 may have been a sacrifice by occultists. I happened to be reading a Christian site and they named the occultists numbers - there were around 4 of them - one was 9, another was 11. So it was no mistake that 9-11 happened when it did. The pastor said Christians should watch for anything on those dates in the future. I read that this is all being done to traumatize Americans so they'll accept the one world government.

 

[Nancy]

We're doing the same thing Nancy - everyone is so indoctrinated that they believe the MSM. We're trying to convince them there is no climate change. You are exactly right about the government. I've been following John Whitehead's blog and he said we are now under martial law. I have such an uneasy feeling that something is underfoot. I was reading that 4Jesus said that 9-11 may have been a sacrifice by occultists. I happened to be reading a Christian site and they named the occultists numbers - there were around 4 of them - one was 9, another was 11. So it was no mistake that 9-11 happened when it did. The pastor said Christians should watch for anything on those dates in the future. I read that this is all being done to traumatize Americans so they'll accept the one world government.

I put NOTHING past the government, nothing. We're all sitting ducks, really. But then we also have this to refer to, every day!
Matthew 10:28 "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Part of me just wishes God would bring us home now, but the other part does not. Reason being is that I want so bad to see friends and family members saved. God's patience is running out...

 

[Soverign Grace]

You know what, Scott? I doubt I could cite any source that would convince you of anything. Your mind is like Trump's in that if something disagrees with your views, you dismiss it. It makes discussions difficult; and it makes reaching any kind of agreement next to impossible. You can call what you believe "facts" -- and pretend that they are, I guess. Trump's doing it, and it looks to me as if he's falling apart at the seams.

His latest outrageous comment drew criticism from a Republican Congressman. It's getting too much even for some Republicans.

GOP lawmaker blasts Trump for quoting pastor warning of civil war over impeachment

Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) on Sunday criticized President Trump for quoting a pastor saying impeachment could trigger a "Civil War-like fracture" in the country.

"I have visited nations ravaged by civil war," Kinzinger tweeted.

"I have never imagined such a quote to be repeated by a President. This is beyond repugnant."

The rare rebuke from a Republican member of Congress came in response to Trump tweeting a quote from Pastor Robert Jeffress on Fox News.

"'If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal'," Trump tweeted.

Are you ready to take up arms to fight a civil war if Trump is removed from office? He thinks his supporters would. He thinks he's that important.

I don't think Trump won the office of presidency - I don't think our votes even count; the last President who spoke out against secret societies was murdered - John F. Kennedy. I think our Presidents are chosen and I think Trump is in on it. But I don't think that a civil war at this point would be bad - unless of course, the elites are pushing it - then we'd have martial law and the one world government would be put in place. But maybe that's what the goal is. Attorney John Whitehead said that we're already under martial law. I read that there are cells of the U.N. placed throughout America readying for U.N. takeover. Every American should question why there are Mexican and Russian soldiers training on U.S. soil. Is it because they could fire on American citizens? Remember Obama asked troops if they could do it. He must have been testing the waters.

But civil war would be a good thing - if the American people finally woke up and got their noses out of the sports games and following Kim Kardashian. But the despoiling of our culture took place years back and America is so weakened by lack of morals that it's hard to believe that any war could be fought - unless God ordained it.

The U.N. already owns many of America's parks - the agenda is clipping right along and Americans are asleep to Agenda 21. The Deagel government website calls for mass depopulation by 2025. We need to ask ourselves how they intend to achieve that reduction.

We need to wake up the masses.

 

[Nancy]

I don't think Trump won the office of presidency - I don't think our votes even count; the last President who spoke out against secret societies was murdered - John F. Kennedy. I think our Presidents are chosen and I think Trump is in on it. But I don't think that a civil war at this point would be bad - unless of course, the elites are pushing it - then we'd have martial law and the one world government would be put in place. But maybe that's what the goal is. Attorney John Whitehead said that we're already under martial law. I read that there are cells of the U.N. placed throughout America readying for U.N. takeover. Every American should question why there are Mexican and Russian soldiers training on U.S. soil. Is it because they could fire on American citizens? Remember Obama asked troops if they could do it. He must have been testing the waters.

But civil war would be a good thing - if the American people finally woke up and got their noses out of the sports games and following Kim Kardashian. But the despoiling of our culture took place years back and America is so weakened by lack of morals that it's hard to believe that any war could be fought - unless God ordained it.

The U.N. already owns many of America's parks - the agenda is clipping right along and Americans are asleep to Agenda 21. The Deagel government website calls for mass depopulation by 2025. We need to ask ourselves how they intend to achieve that reduction.

We need to wake up the masses.

Here's an old song title by Keith Green named : "Asleep in The Light" He was speaking of The Church. Sad.

 

[Soverign Grace]

I put NOTHING past the government, nothing. We're all sitting ducks, really. But then we also have this to refer to, every day!
Matthew 10:28 "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Part of me just wishes God would bring us home now, but the other part does not. Reason being is that I want so bad to see friends and family members saved. God's patience is running out...

Neither do I. I used to be brainwashed too - until I began researching and then learned just how evil those at the apex of government truly are. I fully believe that they were behind 9-11, and possibly school shootings/ mass shootings. I also feel we are like sitting ducks. If I didn't have belief in God I couldn't go on another day knowing of the evil. Yet many times I feel as Habakuk, crying out to God asking Him to stop it.

I feel torn as well but I think this world has grown so dark that there is little hope of ever turning it around. It saddens me for today's generation who never knew the days of Ozzie and Harriet and Leave it to Beaver. Today it's slasher, sex, and rebellion marketed to the youth. Everything coming out of Hollyweird is corrupt and I read that even the Jonas brothers - marketed as a Christian band - have music back masked praising Satan. It's even in children' s cartoons for God's sake. WE ALL NEED TO PRAY.

 

[Nancy]

Neither do I. I used to be brainwashed too - until I began researching and then learned just how evil those at the apex of government truly are. I fully believe that they were behind 9-11, and possibly school shootings/ mass shootings. I also feel we are like sitting ducks. If I didn't have belief in God I couldn't go on another day knowing of the evil. Yet many times I feel as Habakuk, crying out to God asking Him to stop it.

I feel torn as well but I think this world has grown so dark that there is little hope of ever turning it around. It saddens me for today's generation who never knew the days of Ozzie and Harriet and Leave it to Beaver. Today it's slasher, sex, and rebellion marketed to the youth. Everything coming out of Hollyweird is corrupt and I read that even the Jonas brothers - marketed as a Christian band - have music back masked praising Satan. It's even in children' s cartoons for God's sake. WE ALL NEED TO PRAY.

Yep, now more than ever before, "trust no man" has full meaning to me. Very sad indeed and yes, I also believe there is NO going back.

 

[brakelite]

To continue....

 

[brakelite]

In the above pics are revealed the links between deep Luciferian occultism/Satanism, and Freemasonry. On anther thread it was suggested that Freemasonry was harmless and just another semi-religious charity. I will continue to show those links, as well as linking them to the UN and current policy and the fruits of that policy in modern education in particular...and perhaps at some stage show links to the Vatican as well, revealing their active participation at worse, and cooperation at best.

 

[Giuliano]

I don't think Trump won the office of presidency - I don't think our votes even count; the last President who spoke out against secret societies was murdered - John F. Kennedy. I think our Presidents are chosen and I think Trump is in on it. But I don't think that a civil war at this point would be bad - unless of course, the elites are pushing it - then we'd have martial law and the one world government would be put in place. But maybe that's what the goal is. Attorney John Whitehead said that we're already under martial law. I read that there are cells of the U.N. placed throughout America readying for U.N. takeover. Every American should question why there are Mexican and Russian soldiers training on U.S. soil. Is it because they could fire on American citizens? Remember Obama asked troops if they could do it. He must have been testing the waters.

But civil war would be a good thing - if the American people finally woke up and got their noses out of the sports games and following Kim Kardashian. But the despoiling of our culture took place years back and America is so weakened by lack of morals that it's hard to believe that any war could be fought - unless God ordained it.

The U.N. already owns many of America's parks - the agenda is clipping right along and Americans are asleep to Agenda 21. The Deagel government website calls for mass depopulation by 2025. We need to ask ourselves how they intend to achieve that reduction.

We need to wake up the masses.

I think it extreme to think civil war would be a good thing. It reminds me of how Muslim terrorists think.

 

[Giuliano]

In the above pics are revealed the links between deep Luciferian occultism/Satanism, and Freemasonry. On anther thread it was suggested that Freemasonry was harmless and just another semi-religious charity. I will continue to show those links, as well as linking them to the UN and current policy and the fruits of that policy in modern education in particular...and perhaps at some stage show links to the Vatican as well, revealing their active participation at worse, and cooperation at best.

I see stuff from Theosophy in those photos. I do not see links between them and Satanism or Freemasonry.

You do know that women can't be Freemasons?

 

[brakelite]

Remember, we are discussing the philosophy behind globalism, and true agenda of the occultists as they prepare the way for their cosmic Christ, and the means by which they are accomplishing this...all in front of a world with their eyes wide shut.

I think all the above speaks for itself, and there is little need for further comment.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I don't think Trump won the office of presidency - I don't think our votes even count; the last President who spoke out against secret societies was murdered - John F. Kennedy. I think our Presidents are chosen and I think Trump is in on it. But I don't think that a civil war at this point would be bad - unless of course, the elites are pushing it - then we'd have martial law and the one world government would be put in place. But maybe that's what the goal is. Attorney John Whitehead said that we're already under martial law. I read that there are cells of the U.N. placed throughout America readying for U.N. takeover. Every American should question why there are Mexican and Russian soldiers training on U.S. soil. Is it because they could fire on American citizens? Remember Obama asked troops if they could do it. He must have been testing the waters.

But civil war would be a good thing - if the American people finally woke up and got their noses out of the sports games and following Kim Kardashian. But the despoiling of our culture took place years back and America is so weakened by lack of morals that it's hard to believe that any war could be fought - unless God ordained it.

The U.N. already owns many of America's parks - the agenda is clipping right along and Americans are asleep to Agenda 21. The Deagel government website calls for mass depopulation by 2025. We need to ask ourselves how they intend to achieve that reduction.

We need to wake up the masses.

I don't think that anything good comes out of wars, all it does is play into the hands of Satan.
I think that all we can do is keep on about what is truly going on, so one day a generation will look back and wake up that we were correct and then the whole rotten Satanic Whore will become exposed and come crashing down.

I remember a old Christian Premier of QLD who always said about his warnings, Just you wait and see ! and everything that he said has come true.
We should say to all who reject our Christ Jesus, and follow down the track of the Satanist socialist, Well just you wait and see ! they will remember such a comment if you say it enough and when they get older they will think well I hate to admit it but that old bugger was right.
My grandad was not liked by anyone but we all know now that everything that he said was spot on true about everyone he mentioned and the world system, but the thing was that people did not want to hear the truth so they hated him because he was blunt and straight to the point and that put people into shocked mode, he was not religious religious type but a Christian supporter but mainly a Aristocrat knowing the movers and shakers of the world got up to and people like that do not care what others think at all and could not give two hoots because he knew that the majority are way behind them truly education wise by far. but we are brought up to follow a 3rd rate education system that was designed to enslave us all and he was not, so he could excel way past what most could ever even think of going or take on and I find with all socialist types that they are just so hopeless as they need others to help them or use dog cunning to get by.

We just seen ScottA and Giul have a go with the black thing, now the cunning of the media loves to paint the blacks in their corner or claim to take them under their wing, but in truth this is not truly the case in reality and plenty of blacks were seen bagging Obama as a good for nothing dog as to the plight of blacks in USA truly and they is angry about him, they were the ones who wanted to work and make something for themselves and not just lay about like lap dogs to a government hand out trip, that only works out to undermine and destroys people both body and soul, them blacks had pride in themselves and could see Obama for what he truly was. the only thing that the socialist create is a nation of dead beats and ding bats.

 

[brakelite]

I see stuff from Theosophy in those photos. I do not see links between them and Satanism or Freemasonry.

You do know that women can't be Freemasons?

Co-masonry is the women's arm. Luciferianism is Satanism...regardless of what the occultists may tell you. And Bailey channels from who she calls the "Tibetan" whose name (one of them anyway) is Dawal Khul...a demon. Bailey's books, published by her own publishing comoany, Lucis Trust, (formerly Luciferian Publishing Co.) are the basis for modern education, as affirmed by the chief official in charge of the UN at the time, Robert Muller. More from him later.

 

[Giuliano]

Co-masonry is the women's arm.

The organization itself is known as the Eastern Star, isn't it? They don't do much. Mostly it's an auxiliary organization for wives to attend while the husbands are in meetings.

Luciferianism is Satanism...regardless of what the occultists may tell you.

This kind of thinking boggles my mind. Someone could say Christians mean "Satan" when they say "Christ" regardless of what they say. I think it was a highly unfortunate name to pick however considering what many Christians think "Lucifer" means.

And Bailey channels from who she calls the "Tibetan" whose name (one of them anyway) is Dawal Khul...a demon.

I take it you meant "channeled" since Bailey is dead, isn't she? To be honest, I haven't read much of Bailey (I can't remember anything) but I have read some of Blavatsky, and I wouldn't say her satanic at all. Unusual yes, satanic no. I also doubt she had a connection with Freemasonry. Blavatsky had studied Hinduism and some thing of the ancient Egyptian religion -- and Freemasonry might claim a connection with Egypt too -- but that would be a peripheral connection.

What makes you so sure Dawal Khul is a demon? I don't know anything about him so I couldn't say. It seems to me that you might be spinning some of this out of thin air.

Bailey's books, published by her own publishing comoany, Lucis Trust, (formerly Luciferian Publishing Co.) are the basis for modern education, as affirmed by the chief official in charge of the UN at the time, Robert Muller. More from him later.

My guess is Bailey's influence is minimal at most. He's dead now too.

 

[brakelite]

That world core curriculum mentioned above was introduced 60 or so years ago. Your grandchildren are now being fully immersed in it.

 

[Giuliano]

Yep, now more than ever before, "trust no man" has full meaning to me. Very sad indeed and yes, I also believe there is NO going back.

Think about it. The "good old days" were an illusion in a way. Men could beat their wives and get away with it. Children could be molested, and nobody talked about it.

Think about some of the horrifying news coming out now about things that happened decades ago. Stealing children to sell in adoption schemes in Chile and Spain. Nuns murdering babies in Ireland. I was talking to my sister last week about her trip to Nova Scotia. How indigenous people were treated there was horrible -- she heard about it first hand. Native Americans and blacks used to be treated like non-humans. Women were treated as less than fully human. Things are in flux, being worked out.