The Religious Mind

[justbyfaith]

That verse is THE OPPOSITE of a personal opinion. What Paul says there is that all the churches of God have a custom of having Christian women cover their heads during worship. So "we have no such custom" of UNCOVERING heads, for those who seek to be contentious, and wish to argue about this matter.

It is impossible that the Holy Spirit would contradict Himself at the very end of this passage. But the way it worded leads to the wrong conclusion.

How would the Holy Spirit be contradicting Himself?

It is saying that the verses spoken of just before are not based on mere culture...or custom followed by the churches. It is saying that there is something in the heart of the Lord that is pleased by obedience to these principles. And that they are eternal principles not based on custom of the cultural environment but that what is spoken is timeless; being the word of the Lord.

 

[FHII]

Thank you FHII for your reply. I see that you approve of the religions of today But I do not.

I approve of what the Bible says. I gave verses every step of the way.

I made this point before and will do so again in a slightly different wording:

I God included physically attending an assembly with an organized plan, then it is still His plan even if every denomination and independent church you encounter is doing it wrong. You don't turn your back on God's plan; you turn your back on those not going by what the plan says.

 

[OzSpen]

Nope. Charismatic Episcopalian Church, we are not affiliated with anything Anglican or Episcopalian we are a whole separate Church. It is hard to understand but we are not Anglicans or Episcopalian, we only use their type of government

historyb,

That's not the way it is in Australia. To say I am Anglican will mean one of two general types: (1) liberal, higher church Anglicans with ministers trained in liberal colleges - and church attendance declining, and (2) evangelical Anglicans trained in Moore College, Sydney. The Sydney diocese is evangelical. There are evangelical Anglicans trained in Ridley College, Melbourne but the Melbourne diocese is a mixture of liberal and evangelical churches. The liberal training College in Melbourne is Trinity College. Interestingly, both Ridley and Trinity Colleges are affiliated with the University of Melbourne.

A number of liberal Anglican parishes in my state of Qld cannot find enough ministers so they accept evangelicals on a temporary or locum basis.

Among the evangelical Anglicans there is a small number of charismatic Anglican congregations.

Oz

 

[Butterfly]

Just read this thread , I am some what confused - jesus would have had longer hair and didn't the men have head coverings as well in biblical times !!

Also, if someone claims ' not to judge ' but then states that anyone not conforming to certain things that they believe in must be ignorant of scripture, is that not judging !

hmmm, I dont stand a chance, I have short hair, wear trousers, divorced, have a tattoo and apparently am a alcoholic because I have three drinks a year !!
Rita

 

[Ezra]

How would the Holy Spirit be contradicting Himself?

It is saying that the verses spoken of just before are not based on mere culture...or custom followed by the churches. It is saying that there is something in the heart of the Lord that is pleased by obedience to these principles. And that they are eternal principles not based on custom of the cultural environment but that what is spoken is timeless; being the word of the Lord.

does your wife wear a vail ?

 

[Butterfly]

Just read this thread , I am some what confused - jesus would have had longer hair and didn't the men have head coverings as well in biblical times !!

Also, if someone claims ' not to judge ' but then states that anyone not conforming to certain things that they believe in must be ignorant of scripture, is that not judging !

hmmm, I dont stand a chance, I have short hair, wear trousers, divorced, have a tattoo and apparently am a alcoholic because I have three drinks a year !!
Rita

I am going to leave this post here, but add an apology- I realised that I was posting out of anger, and that was wrong. I am sorry.
I don't feel a conviction for what I have posted as such, just the attitude that lay behind it.
I have watched, and been affected by the ' pharassaic ' views and assumptions of others over the years - it binds people, including those with the attitudes.
In all honesty Justbyfaith you greatly affected me the other day when you accused me of being an alcoholic and doubted me, basically assuming me to be lying. There is nothing worse than being accused of something you are not guilty of by someone who doesn't know you that well, but imust leave that between you and the Lord , as he knows the truth about me.
However I should not have carried that frustration or anger over to this thread - for that I apologise.
I could have just deleted my post, but that would have been the easier option !
Rita

 

[Enoch111]

How would the Holy Spirit be contradicting Himself?

Since the Holy Spirit is teaching Christian women to cover their heads during worship in 16 verses, He does NOT contradict Himself in the end (as some imagine).

 

[justbyfaith]

In all honesty Justbyfaith you greatly affected me the other day when you accused me of being an alcoholic

I'm sorry if you think that I accused you. I was not directing it to you personally but I believe that I was only making general statements.

Since the Holy Spirit is teaching Christian women to cover their heads during worship in 16 verses, He does NOT contradict Himself in the end (as some imagine).

You haven't answered my question.

 

[justbyfaith]

hmmm, I dont stand a chance, I have short hair,

You don't have to keep it that way.

 

[Butterfly]

You don't have to keep it that way.

I dont intend to grow my hair , I am 61 years old and my hair is very thin, it looks awful when it's long. Also I dont share your convictions about it -x

 

[justbyfaith]

does your wife wear a vail ?

I have already answered this argument/question.

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[justbyfaith]

I dont intend to grow my hair , I am 61 years old and my hair is very thin, it looks awful when it's long. Also I dont share your convictions about it -x

Oh...so vanity is keeping you from obeying Jesus and honouring your husband. (just calling it like I see it)

There are so many that claim to be Christian and yet are biblically illiterate (they don't read their Bible with the intent of obeying the Lord, whatever He tells them to do).

This is really such a minor issue...and yet, if we are not faithful in the minor things, we will not be faithful in the major things either...Luke 16:10.

 

[justbyfaith]

Also, if someone claims ' not to judge ' but then states that anyone not conforming to certain things that they believe in must be ignorant of scripture, is that not judging !

It is agreeing with the Lord's judgment.

For keeping judgment is not a bad thing according to scripture:

Isa 56:1, Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2, Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Phl 1:9, And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;

Jhn 7:24, Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

 

[Pearl]

Oh...so vanity is keeping you from obeying Jesus and honouring your husband. (just calling it like I see it)

There are so many that claim to be Christian and yet are biblically illiterate (they don't read their Bible with the intent of obeying the Lord, whatever He tells them to do).

This is really such a minor issue...and yet, if we are not faithful in the minor things, we will not be faithful in the major things either...Luke 16:10.

Look at the plank in your own eye!!

 

[justbyfaith]

Look at the plank in your own eye!!

You see a plank in my eye...take the skyscraper out of your own eye so that you can see clearly to take the plank out of mine...(to apply the principle of Matthew 7:1-6 further)

Because I most assuredly don't want to have a speck, or a plank, or a skyscraper, to be in my own eye...and I would definitely appreciate any brother or sister that can remove anything that might be defined as such in my life.

 

[justbyfaith]

To be honest I don't care what you think.

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It is written that in the latter days, the love of many shall wax cold because iniquity shall abound.

 

[Pearl]

It is written that in the latter days, the love of many shall wax cold because iniquity shall abound.

Where does it say that? And how is it relevant?

 

[justbyfaith]

So it is!

And yet, I am here attempting to preach the word of the Lord out of the love that the Lord has shed abroad in my heart for you.

You do not perceive it as love because the worldly definition of love is that it is full of warm fuzzies.

But sometimes real and abiding love hands out cold pricklies; because cold pricklies are needed as a form of discipline and chastening for those who will not behave according to the love that God has ordained we should walk in.

Peer pressure, when used properly, can be a motivation for righteousness in those who are affected by it.

 

[Pearl]

And yet, I am here attempting to preach the word of the Lord out of the love that the Lord has shed abroad in my heart for you.

You do not perceive it as love because the worldly definition of love is that it is full of warm fuzzies.

But sometimes real and abiding love hands out cold pricklies; because cold pricklies are needed as a form of discipline and chastening for those who will not behave according to the love that God has ordained we should walk in.

Peer pressure, when used properly, can be a motivation for righteousness in those who are affected by it.

Thank you for your concern for my spiritual wellbeing. But this is love.

Corinthians 13:4-5
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonour others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

 

[Butterfly]

Nope, not vanity - it's a choice because I do not share your views and therefore feel I can make my own decisions about whether I grow my hair longer or keep it short , Same with regards to wearing trousers - ( sorry pants, I forgot your in the USA)
I wish there was a dislike botton on this forum , or perhaps a thumbs down -
Rita