justbyfaith
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As for me, I am the righteousness of the Lord in Christ.You didn't answer my question. Why? Are you righteous?
Stranger
2 Corinthians 5:21.
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As for me, I am the righteousness of the Lord in Christ.You didn't answer my question. Why? Are you righteous?
Stranger
As for me, I am the righteousness of the Lord in Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:21.
You didn't answer my question. Why? Are you righteous?
Stranger
It is Christ's---first imputed and then imparted to me, so that I own it personally.Yes, you are, as every believer in Christ is.
Whose righteousness is that? Yours or Christ's?
Stranger
John 5:24, John 6:47, and John 10:27-30 are specific scriptures spoken by the Lord that speak to me of OSAS (more specifically, POTS).When I repent to Jesus, asking Him forgiveness of my slip ups, yes, I'm counted perfect through His Blood.
If I instead sin and go about my business as if I was already covered by my first believing on Jesus Christ, then no, I instead would be 'lawless', meaning subject to God's laws as a result of being haughty against repenting and asking Him forgiveness. This is what men's OSAS doctrines are designed to do, i.e., to bring the believer into lawlessness and unrepentance, becoming a reprobate.
When I repent to Jesus, asking Him forgiveness of my slip ups, yes, I'm counted perfect through His Blood.
If I instead sin and go about my business as if I was already covered by my first believing on Jesus Christ, then no, I instead would be 'lawless', meaning subject to God's laws as a result of being haughty against repenting and asking Him forgiveness. This is what men's OSAS doctrines are designed to do, i.e., to bring the believer into lawlessness and unrepentance, becoming a reprobate.
It is Christ's---first imputed and then imparted to me, so that I own it personally.
Because I have received it and live by it.If it is Christ's, then how is it yours. That you have been covered by it, yes. That it is yours...why?
What is your righteousness really look like?
Stranger
Because I have received it and live by it.
See
1 John 3:7
1 John 3:3
1 John 2:6.
When I repent to Jesus, asking Him forgiveness of my slip ups, yes, I'm counted perfect through His Blood.
If I instead sin and go about my business as if I was already covered by my first believing on Jesus Christ, then no, I instead would be 'lawless', meaning subject to God's laws as a result of being haughty against repenting and asking Him forgiveness. This is what men's OSAS doctrines are designed to do, i.e., to bring the believer into lawlessness and unrepentance, becoming a reprobate.
That you have received it, that it is imputed to you, means it is not yours. It is yours by declaration, by imputation. It doesn't originate with you. Does that bother you?....that God does not find your righteousness good enough?
I asked you what your righteousness really looks like and you avoided saying. But you know. It is as filthy rags. (Is. 64:6)
That is not your sins. That is your righteousness. Does that bother you?
He can say in one place that all believers sin. (1 John 1:8)
Your righteousness is as filthy rags.
You never measured up, and you never will measure up. Does that bother you?
You still avoided the question. Why are you righteous?
Stranger
because that idea involves the fact that we can never... be perfect like Jesus Christ, and I established that fact early on.
Sorry, I don't play games with Scripture. If you want to play 20 questions with God's Word, go find someone else, because I have given more than enough Scripture evidence to explain the subject we've been discussing. The "filthy rags" idea from Isaiah doesn't apply to what you're trying to establish, because that idea involves the fact that we can never... be perfect like Jesus Christ, and I established that fact early on. So all you're wanting to do now is preach around the bush instead of recognizing that for us to stay in Christ's grace we must still repent and ask forgiveness of future sin, just as Apostle John showed in 1 John 1.
Avoiding my question is playing games. You fear the answer.
Stranger
I answered your question very well in the above posts. You're just not willing to come to the truth in those Scriptures.
If you obtained righteousness by faith, then you are declared righteous by God. (Imputation) If you obtained your righteousness by doing, then you exhibit your righteousness and not that which is imputed to you.
So why you are righteous? Because of your work? Or, because of your faith?
That God has given it to me means that it belongs to me. I have received it; it is therefore mine. It has also not ceased from being His. Righteousness is not only imputed, it is also imparted (Matthew 5:6, Romans 5:19, 1 John 3:7).
The righteousness which is of the Lord by faith (which is not only imputed but imparted) is defined as fine linen, clean and white, in Revelation 19:8.
If your righteousness is as filthy rags then it ought to bother you, Romans 7:24.
I contend that that is not the meaning of 1 John 1:8. For it declares that we all have sin (not that we all commit it). Sin is rendered dead within out mortal flesh when we are sanctified (Galatians 5:24, Romans 6:6, Romans 7:8); so that it no longer has any say over what we might do. We therefore can indeed walk in complete victory and freedom.
If it were mine to begin with, you might have a point. But it began as Christ's.
It doesn't bother me because it simply isn't true of me; neither of anyone who surrenders to the work of sanctification in their lives (1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14, 1 John 3:9; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10).
It ought to bother you if it is true in your life. Paul taught that it ought to bother you (Romans 7:24).
I have explained your verses several times already.
"By the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." But of course you say differently. You say by Christ and your obedience are you made righteous.
Yes, the Lords righteousness is clean and pure. That is our righteousness by declaration and imputation. It does not originate with us. Our righteousness is filthy rags.
See, you won't admit that your righteousness is as filthy rags.
You give me (Rom. 7:24) as some sort of proof, and it is against you. Look now at (7:25)? You say sin is dead in our flesh. Paul says otherwise.
Your righteousness is filthy rags.
It was and is yours to begin with. It is yours now. Christ's imputed righteousness to you is not your righteousness. That righteousness which comes from you is filthy. That which you are declared to be is Christ's by imputation. It began as Christ's and remains as Christ's. The believer is fortunate to be covered by it.
Will you need the imputed righteousness of Christ to cover you in Heaven? Why?
I will also ask you one question, and I will answer you: is there sin in heaven?