Calvinism

[John Caldwell]

Normal C's possibly, but the ones on forums have read a lot, but just like Galatians 5:19-21 believe "not inheriting the Kingdom of God" is just not receiving rewards in heaven. So just like in the text, they could turn to sorcery and still be saved because OSAS. In other words, they twist Scripture to fit their erroneous assurance.

The ones that I have seen on this forum are indoctrinated into Calvinism. They redefine words and re-write history to support their religious philosophy. Calvinism is their religion. Calvinism is their gospel. They do not understand Calvinism.

Calvinism as a gospel is another gospel than that of Jesus Christ. Calvinism as a gospel is a false and powerless gospel that can only blind people to the Truth and to the true gospel of Christ.

This type of "Calvinism" is a "Christian cult". I believe that has become very evident on this thread through the posts of its followers.

 

[reformed1689]

The ones that I have seen on this forum are indoctrinated into Calvinism. They redefine words and re-write history to support their religious philosophy. Calvinism is their religion. Calvinism is their gospel. They do not understand Calvinism.

Do not understand Calvinism? Again, Calvinism is the label you force upon most of us. I do not follow Calvin. I follow Scripture. We don't redefine anything, that is a flat lie. The Gospel is my Gospel.

Calvinism as a gospel is another gospel than that of Jesus Christ. Calvinism as a gospel is a false and powerless gospel that can only blind people to the Truth and to the true gospel of Christ.

The Doctrines of Grace are firmly grounded in Scripture and is anything but powerless.

You are a liar, and a deceiver.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

The ones that I have seen on this forum are indoctrinated into Calvinism. They redefine words and re-write history to support their religious philosophy. Calvinism is their religion. Calvinism is their gospel. They do not understand Calvinism.

Calvinism as a gospel is another gospel than that of Jesus Christ. Calvinism as a gospel is a false and powerless gospel that can only blind people to the Truth and to the true gospel of Christ.

This type of "Calvinism" is a "Christian cult". I believe that has become very evident on this thread through the posts of its followers.

Not to challenge what you're saying, but what do you consider the gospel of Calvinism? I agree that anything other than the simple gospel spelled out in the Bible is not the true gospel that offers the way to salvation.

 

[reformed1689]

Not to challenge what you're saying, but what do you consider the gospel of Calvinism? I agree that anything other than the simple gospel spelled out in the Bible is not the true gospel that offers the way to salvation.

Get ready for an explanation of anything except the Doctrines of Grace....

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I believe God wants the best for everyone, so of course He has good ideas about how we could achieve the best things He wants for us.

God doesn't force people though to do what's best for them. If someone hates God's way and rejects the Path of Love, God allows him to fumble around and fall; but that's not God's choice. If that person changes his mind -- and tries to draw nigh to God, God will draw nigh to him. God will also start pulling that person in the right direction since he's willing to be drawn.

Daniel 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
Do you believe He is able to abase those who walk in pride?


1 Timothy 5:24-25 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after. [25] Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

Who chooses whose sins are open before ...and whose follow after? Who manifest them beforehand? Who manifest the children of God? We are told the light is what makes manifest...

Get why doctrines of God choosing some to reveal mercy upon before is hated...in what about the rest. Doesn’t change the fact though that God is able to do whatever God chooses to do. Today, if He chooses to He could end all of this with filling all darkness with His glorious light and no secrets would be hidden. Nothing would be hidden but every man and work tried...revealed.

 

[John Caldwell]

I explained this in my earlier posts.

You have provided Scripture and you have privided commentary. The two are, unfortunately, unrelated.

That is the problem with your method of "debate" Steve. When pressed to prove your point or when someone disagrees you becone snude and condescending.

I believe this is because you do not understand the tradition that shapes your philosophy. You rely on Reformed tradition and the teachings and writings of men you believe God appointed over you as His representatives to explain what God meant but did not actually breathe into Scripture.

You reject what is written in favor of what you believe is implied because that is what your tradition teaches you to do.

Steve, for once lay down your commentaries and those "watch tower-ish" lessons and just read the Bible. Set aside your tradition and writings of those you see as modern day apostles and just take obe week to study Scripture apart from your tradition and philosophy.

I think, if you are able to do so, you will walk away not only from a cult-link mindset but with an understanding of the gospel. You may remain a Calvinist but you will understand that philosophy rather than just holding it out of tradition.

 

[CharismaticLady]

If a person turns to these things they were never truly converted no matter what popular big name preachers and proponents of Free Grace Theology say.

That isn't necessarily true as in Hebrews 10:26-31 the man who willfully sinned had already been sanctified. And Peter says in 2 Peter 2: 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

 

[CharismaticLady]

Do not understand Calvinism? Again, Calvinism is the label you force upon most of us. I do not follow Calvin. I follow Scripture. We don't redefine anything, that is a flat lie. The Gospel is my Gospel.

The Doctrines of Grace are firmly grounded in Scripture and is anything but powerless.

You are a liar, and a deceiver.

Unfortunately, your interpretation of Scripture is based on Calvinism, like it or not. And your understanding of grace is also dangerously false. Everything you have shown to believe is a twisted version that doesn't resemble the truth.

cc: @John Caldwell

 

[Giuliano]

Daniel 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
Do you believe He is able to abase those who walk in pride?

Most of the time, God doesn't have to do a thing about people who are proud since they set themselves up for a fall. God created this world in a wonderful way. But yes, if the proud go too far, God can and will intervene.

1 Timothy 5:24-25 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after. [25] Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

Who chooses whose sins are open before ...and whose follow after? Who manifest them beforehand? Who manifest the children of God? We are told the light is what makes manifest...

Get why doctrines of God choosing some to reveal mercy upon before is hated...in what about the rest. Doesn’t change the fact though that God is able to do whatever God chooses to do. Today, if He chooses to He could end all of this with filling all darkness with His glorious light and no secrets would be hidden. Nothing would be hidden but every man and work tried...revealed.

To be honest, I don't always understand what Paul writes. That's a passage I don't understand. I do understand what he wrote here:

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Sometimes we can see how things work together for the good. Other times, we can't. I think sometimes it may take time for everything to fit together for the good. Consider Abraham and how God blessed his offspring because of what God promised Abraham. That took centuries.

 

[John Caldwell]

Not to challenge what you're saying, but what do you consider the gospel of Calvinism? I agree that anything other than the simple gospel spelled out in the Bible is not the true gospel that offers the way to salvation.

The "gospel of Calvinism" is the gospel common to all Christians.

When I first believed this gospel it was not as a Calvinist. Later I became a Calvinist (I affirmed the "Doctrines of Grace"). But the gospel was the same. I was a Calvinistic preacher and teacher for years. But the gosoel I preached was the gospel of Jesus Christ (the same one that had the power to save me). I later rejected Penal Substitution Theory because it was not stated in the text of Scripture and I came to see it was a fairly new way of articulating Atonement. But the gospel I held did not change.

Do you see what was constant and what was not? My understanding changed as I studied. My understanding concerning the gospel changed. BUT the gospel remained the same.

What I am saying is ANYONE who substitutes their understandong concerning the gospel for the gospel itself holds a false gospel.

People like @David Taylor , @Steve Owen , @Anthony D'Arienzo and @Preacher4Truth do not understand Calvinism becaause it IS their gospel They hold a false gospel.

Other Calvinists hold Calvinism as their understanding of the gospel but not the gospel itself. @Anthony D'Arienzo made it very clear in Biblical Foreknowledge that Calvinism is his gospel rather than his understanding.

This is the difference between Calvinism and a Calvinistic cult. It is the difference between holding a doctrine as true and being indoctrinated into a belief.

They may understand the doctrines of Calvinism but they do not understand Calvinism itself.

 

[reformed1689]

People like @David Taylor , @Steve Owen , @Anthony D'Arienzo and @Preacher4Truth do not understand Calvinism becaause it IS their gospel They hold a false gospel.

Strawman/ Ad Hominem and a bold faced lie.

 

[reformed1689]

Unfortunately, your interpretation of Scripture is based on Calvinism, like it or not. And your understanding of grace is also dangerously false. Everything you have shown to believe is a twisted version that doesn't resemble the truth.

cc: @John Caldwell

Says the one who says they do not sin ever.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Most of the time, God doesn't have to do a thing about people who are proud since they set themselves up for a fall. God created this world in a wonderful way.

Do agree Men Are very good at destruction. But even this God put this weapon in place. So many verses in the OT. The beauty is God set things in place and also removes those weapons and puts them in another’s hand. Isaiah 54:16-17 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. [17] No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Says the one who says they do not sin ever.

Right, but there is a difference between sinless and perfection. I am not perfect. I still have to deal with trespasses, a minor type of "sin." But as long as I walk in the Spirit and try to keep in fellowship with other believers, whether they want to be in fellowship with me or not, even my trespasses are cleansed, and at that time I am again sinless. 1 John 1:7

 

[reformed1689]

Right, but there is a difference between sinless and perfection. I am not perfect. I still have to deal with trespasses, a minor type of "sin." But as long as I walk in the Spirit and try to keep in fellowship with other believers, whether they want to be in fellowship with me or not, even my trespasses are cleansed, and at that time I am again sinless. 1 John 1:7

SO YOU HAVE BEEN LYING FOR DAYS about not sinning. You are a false teacher, have no idea what you are talking about. Sin is sin. You realize this? The most "minor" infraction in human eyes is enough to damn you for eternity in God's. This is all we need to know about you and your lies.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Most of the time, God doesn't have to do a thing about people who are proud since they set themselves up for a fall. God created this world in a wonderful way. But yes, if the proud go too far, God can and will intervene.


To be honest, I don't always understand what Paul writes. That's a passage I don't understand. I do understand what he wrote here:

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Sometimes we can see how things work together for the good. Other times, we can't. I think sometimes it may take time for everything to fit together for the good. Consider Abraham and how God blessed his offspring because of what God promised Abraham. That took centuries.

That is it, yeah. “Blessed is he who is not offended in Me.” In the Old Testament the leper’s and filth were collected without the gate. leper’s forced without. Women raped. Spoils of war collected (the women and children).

Leviticus 21:17-20 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. [18] For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, [19] Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, [20] Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

It’s harsh, yeah? Offensive but all this side we see Christ Jesus set His cross where they were collected and all are called to come eat bread ^especially those above. “a broken and contrite heart” God will not reject. Paul (inspired by the Holy Spirit)said to go without the gate and bear His reproach. Do not agree with Calvinist in every one who thirst is called to come drink of the Living water...not a select few. But agree God chooses when and where to open eyes of the blind...some before ...some after. Can’t deny that because it is offensive some are before.

 

[CharismaticLady]

SO YOU HAVE BEEN LYING FOR DAYS about not sinning. You are a false teacher, have no idea what you are talking about. Sin is sin. You realize this? The most "minor" infraction in human eyes is enough to damn you for eternity in God's. This is all we need to know about you and your lies.

I always try to say I do not commit willful sins of lawlessness, as opposed to trespasses. If you didn't believe the fallacy that "sin is sin" you would know the difference. And another ad hominem from you. One of your favorite words.

 

[John Caldwell]

Do not understand Calvinism? .

I do not believe ypu understand Calvinism. This post is evidence. I never said Calvinists follow John Calvin.

My caution is for you not to get carried away by vain philosophies (if you are not already).

You call me a liar because I disagree with you, not because I have actually lied (I have not). Ypu call me a deciever because I no longer share your understanding and have rejected Penal Substitution Theory. This is not deceit.

You treat me this way because you believe I left your cult. I understand. Muslims do not believe wrongs against non-Muslims are wrong. Your behavior here demonstrates you are cult-like because you believe it is ok to lie about me as I rejected your position.

 

[reformed1689]

I always try to say I do not commit willful sins of lawlessness, as opposed to trespasses. If you didn't believe the fallacy that "sin is sin" you would know the difference. And another ad hominem from you. One of your favorite words.

My post was not ad hominem, it was fact. You have been lying for days saying that you do not sin. Does all sin damn us to hell without Christ? Is there any sin that is not damnable? NO! If you say there is it furthers the fact you are a false teacher.

 

[reformed1689]

You call me a liar because I disagree with you, not because I have actually lied (I have not). Ypu call me a deciever because I no longer share your understanding and have rejected Penal Substitution Theory. This is not deceit.

No, I call you a liar and a deceiver because of what you say about others on this board that are not true, including the post I am quoting now.