Calvinism

[CharismaticLady]

John,
David Taylor says he has free-will....explain to me what twisted truth allows him to say that?

I saw that. But don't you believe in free will? I do.

 

[Grailhunter]

I saw that. But don't you believe in free will? I do.

Of course I believe in free will. David was saying he does....that is not Calvinist. Calvinist believe they are completely under the control of their god. No mind but what reflects what God puts their.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Of course I believe in free will. David was saying he does....that is not Calvinist. Calvinist believe they are completely under the control of their god. No mind but what reflects what God puts their.

I guess I was mistaken. I thought Calvinists believed that it took no free will to come to Christ, that they were chosen to be the elect and it was all God's doing, but after that they have free will, but not about their salvation which is OSAS.

CC: @David Taylor (am I right, or wrong in what you believe, or are you different from other Calvinists?)

 

[reformed1689]

David was saying he does....that is not Calvinist.

Show me a Calvinist who teaches against Free-Will

 

[reformed1689]

I guess I was mistaken. I thought Calvinists believed that it took no free will to come to Christ, that they were chosen to be the elect and it was all God's doing, but after that they have free will, but not about their salvation which is OSAS.

CC: @David Taylor (am I right, or wrong in what you believe, or are you different from other Calvinists?)

All Calvinists affirm free will.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Show me a Calvinist who teaches against Free-Will

I don’t believe in free will. I believe in a will that freely moves, but does so within the confines of their nature.

 

[SovereignGrace]

All Calvinists affirm free will.

Not I.

 

[Grailhunter]

I guess I was mistaken. I thought Calvinists believed that it took no free will to come to Christ, that they were chosen to be the elect and it was all God's doing, but after that they have free will, but not about their salvation which is OSAS.

CC: @David Taylor (am I right, or wrong in what you believe, or are you different from other Calvinists?)

Calvinists believe that you are predestined to heaven or hell before the foundation of the world was set.
It is hard to get them to admit that.
That is why I am so hard on them because they turn God into a monster, a puppet monster. Humanity controlled Good or bad.
Faith, love, repentance, grace, prayers, good deeds....no merit to a person because they believe their god controls them.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

All Calvinists affirm free will.

And we know no one chooses their way into heaven by their will, John 1:13 &c.

 

[reformed1689]

I don’t believe in free will. I believe in a will that freely moves, but does so within the confines of their nature.

Right, it isn't a question of will, it is a question of nature/ability.

 

[Grailhunter]

I don’t believe in free will. I believe in a will that freely moves, but does so within the confines of their nature.

Cool, when does your god predestine people to be evil?
When does your god predestine people to hell?

 

[SovereignGrace]

And we know no one chooses their way into heaven by their will, John 1:13 &c.

Romans 9:16

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Calvinists believe that you are predestined to heaven or hell before the foundation of the world was set.
It is hard to get them to admit that.
That is why I am so hard on them because they turn God into a monster, a puppet monster. Humanity controlled Good or bad.
Faith, love, repentance, grace, prayers, good deeds....no merit to a person because they believe their god controls them.

You keep repeating your falsities. They'll be false next time you repeat them as well.

Maybe if you slowed down on your meme train, your callow behavior and actually listened you'd learn the truth of the matter.

Besides, you make like God owes everyone a chance to vote.

He doesn't.

And no one votes themselves into eternal life in the first place.

But back to the beginning; if you would slow down your straw man meme train, lose your callow behavior, and listen, you'd learn the truth of the matter. Your pretense no one has dared to answer you is just you making things up and spreading your peacock feathers in pride.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Who started the term OSAS, do you know?

It was Arminians who rejected the first 4 points of the tulip acronym but wanted to hold onto the idea of what they called eternal security.People like R.B.Theime

Perseverance of the saints tea

 

[SovereignGrace]

You keep repeating your falsities. They'll be false next time you repeat them as well.

Maybe if you slowed down on your meme train, your callow behavior and actually listened you'd learn the truth of the matter.

Besides, you make like God owes everyone a chance to vote.

He doesn't.

And no one votes themselves into eternal life in the first place.

But back to the beginning; if you would slow down your straw man meme train, lose your callow behavior, and listen, you'd learn the truth of the matter. Your pretense no one has dared to answer you is just you making things up and spreading your peacock feathers in pride.

That’s why I’ve had him tucked away. I didn’t know who you were addressing so I chose to see who it was.

#badmove

 

[Grailhunter]

You keep repeating your falsities. They'll be false next time you repeat them as well.

Maybe if you slowed down on your meme train, your callow behavior and actually listened you'd learn the truth of the matter.

Besides, you make like God owes everyone a chance to vote.

He doesn't.

And no one votes themselves into eternal life in the first place.

But back to the beginning; if you would slow down your straw man meme train, lose your callow behavior, and listen, you'd learn the truth of the matter. Your pretense no one has dared to answer you is just you making things up and spreading your peacock feathers in pride.

lol and still your lies and evasion persists!
When does your god predestine people to be evil?
When does your god predestine people to hell?

Keep dodging the questions...they are following you around.

 

[CharismaticLady]

All Calvinists affirm free will.

I see you've only been a member since Tuesday. I've been on the forums for years and these internet sites are where I learned what Calvinists believe (and was shocked) The Calvinist posters I've read are all against free will. You still didn't answer my question to you.

 

[CharismaticLady]

And we know no one chooses their way into heaven by their will, John 1:13 &c.

I see David Taylor liked this even though it contradicts what he just said. Oy veh!

 

[reformed1689]

I see David Taylor liked this even though it contradicts what he just said. Oy veh!

How does it contradict what I said? What did I say that contradicts that statement?

 

[reformed1689]

You still didn't answer my question to you.

What question?

I see you've only been a member since Tuesday. I've been on the forums for years and these internet sites are where I learned what Calvinists believe (and was shocked) The Calvinist posters I've read are all against free will.

What does me only being here since Tuesday have to do with anyting?