Was Noah “saved by grace through faith”?

[Enoch111]

"Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Please note that what is said in that verse is (1) firstly he was a just man and (2) secondly perfect in his generations and (3) that Noah walked with God.

"Just man" means "justified man", and like all the OT saints Noah was justified by grace through faith. So that is also when he was saved spiritually. After that he was obedient to God and also walked with God (had fellowship with God). His faith was imputed for righteousness.

But physically he and his family were saved by being within the Ark. "Saved by water" has been interpreted in many ways, but the simplest meaning is that because the Ark floated on the water, he was saved by water. What was primarily a means of judgment on the wicked became the means of deliverance for Noah and all who were in the Ark.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Please note that what is said in that verse is (1) firstly he was a just man and (2) secondly perfect in his generations and (3) that Noah walked with God.

"Just man" means "justified man", and like all the OT saints Noah was justified by grace through faith. So that is also when he was saved spiritually. After that he was obedient to God and also walked with God (had fellowship with God). His faith was imputed for righteousness.

But physically he and his family were saved by being within the Ark. "Saved by water" has been interpreted in many ways, but the simplest meaning is that because the Ark floated on the water, he was saved by water. What was primarily a means of judgment on the wicked became the means of deliverance for Noah and all who were in the Ark.

Noah would have been justified by grace through faith and we know from verses as Hebrews 11:7 that his faith included obedience. Without that obedience he would not have received grace, not remained justified in his disobedience to God in refusing, rebelling to build the ark and would have been lost eternally with the rest of the wicked.

Peter's use of "saved by water" is showing the OT type in how Noah was saved (by flood water) to the NT type in how we today are saved
(water baptism).

 

[VictoryinJesus]

the simplest meaning is that because the Ark floated on the water, he was saved by water.

Psalm 29:10 The Lord sitteth upon the flood; yea, the Lord sitteth King for ever.

Are we saved by death or by Life? 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

If death saves rather than condemns then as “all” were made dead by His body.

...is death what saves or condemns? ...justified of God in the Spirit? : 1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Romans 6:2-12 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? [3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? [4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. [5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: [6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. [7] For he that is dead is freed from sin. [8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: [9] Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. [10] For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. [11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. [12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

2 Corinthians 4:10-11 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. [11] For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

“walk in newness of life” is coming forth out of the tomb (coffin) stepping out in obedience unto new life, is it not? Out of darkness into light. it is those denying the Resurrection power thereof that remain dead and in darkness. “For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.” ...in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. As do the children of God...

 

[farouk]

Psalm 29:10 The Lord sitteth upon the flood; yea, the Lord sitteth King for ever.

Are we saved by death or by Life? 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

If death saves rather than condemns then as “all” were made dead by His body. ...is dead what saves or justified of God in the Spirit? : 1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Romans 6:2-12 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? [3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? [4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. [5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: [6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. [7] For he that is dead is freed from sin. [8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: [9] Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. [10] For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. [11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. [12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

2 Corinthians 4:10-11 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. [11] For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

“walk in newness of life” is coming forth out of the tomb (coffin) stepping out in obedience unto new life, is it not? it is those denying the Resurrection power thereof that remain dead. “For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.” ...in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. As do the children of God...

So much in the Psalms...

 

[CNKW3]

One that supported what you said. I said God never told the world to build a boat. You said no, but He told them to believe and be baptized. What Scripture do you use to support that.

Noah was saved for the same reason any one else is saved. By faith. He was already saved before he built the boat. (Gen. 6:8,7:1)

(Heb. 11) speaks to the believers walk of faith and the products of his faith. These things witnessed to the faith they already had. Noah became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. That is not the moment of his salvation. His act condemned the world and he obtained the blessings that the righteousness which is by faith brings. The most immediate of which, was surviving the flood. (Gen. 6:8,7:1)

Look at Abraham in (Heb. 11). His leaving his home to go to another land by faith is spoken of. (11:8-10) His offering up of Isaac is spoken of. (11:17-19) Neither of these acts of faith are the time when God imputed righteousness to him. See (Gen. 15:6)

I hold to the importance of water baptism for your walk of salvation. But it is not necessary to be born-again.

Stranger

Mk 16:15,16
And yes, this is your flood moment.

 

[CNKW3]

One that supported what you said. I said God never told the world to build a boat. You said no, but He told them to believe and be baptized. What Scripture do you use to support that.

Noah was saved for the same reason any one else is saved. By faith. He was already saved before he built the boat. (Gen. 6:8,7:1)

(Heb. 11) speaks to the believers walk of faith and the products of his faith. These things witnessed to the faith they already had. Noah became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. That is not the moment of his salvation. His act condemned the world and he obtained the blessings that the righteousness which is by faith brings. The most immediate of which, was surviving the flood. (Gen. 6:8,7:1)

Look at Abraham in (Heb. 11). His leaving his home to go to another land by faith is spoken of. (11:8-10) His offering up of Isaac is spoken of. (11:17-19) Neither of these acts of faith are the time when God imputed righteousness to him. See (Gen. 15:6)

I hold to the importance of water baptism for your walk of salvation. But it is not necessary to be born-again.

Stranger

So Abraham built altars, sacrificed animals and called on the name of the lord but God didn’t consider him righteous until Gen 15:6? If you say so.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

So Abraham built altars, sacrificed animals and called on the name of the lord but God didn’t consider him righteous until Gen 15:6? If you say so.

Samson was considered disobedient, yeah? Heard pastors say before what a waste Samson was. But the Spirit still spoke through Samson and used him to declare the Lord. Judges 16:3 And Samson lay till midnight, and arose at midnight, and took the doors of the gate of the city, and the two posts, and went away with them, bar and all, and put them upon his shoulders, and carried them up to the top of an hill that is before Hebron.

Abraham completely foretells (by the Spirit of God) of the suffering of Christ in Abrahams gathering the wood and taking Isaac to the top of the hill. Yes, Noah foretells(by the Spirit) of much and instructs. But these threads all go the same path in arguing men even “great men” as an achievement of flesh or the natural when it is supernatural and always about God and not “good” men. Without the Spirit of God ...it would be fables handed down through the descent of men ...instead of descending from above and not of men.

 

[CNKW3]

Samson was considered disobedient, yeah? Heard pastors say before what a waste Samson was. But the Spirit still spoke through Samson and used him to declare the Lord. Judges 16:3 And Samson lay till midnight, and arose at midnight, and took the doors of the gate of the city, and the two posts, and went away with them, bar and all, and put them upon his shoulders, and carried them up to the top of an hill that is before Hebron.

Abraham completely foretells (by the Spirit of God) of the suffering of Christ in Abrahams gathering the wood and taking Isaac to the top of the hill. Yes, Noah foretells(by the Spirit) of much and instructs. But these threads all go the same path in arguing men even “great men” as an achievement of flesh or the natural when it is supernatural and always about God and not “good” men. Without the Spirit of God ...it would be fables handed down through the descent of men ...instead of descending from above and not of men.

The Bible ultimately speaks of Samson as a man of faith, flawed as he was.

Yes, these great accounts are achievements of God but they include the actions of humanity. Our eternal salvation is exactly the same. It is achieved through the loving grace and mercy of God but not without the faithful cooperation of mankind. Salvation is provided by God and it’s up to man through obedience to take hold of it or as Paul would say...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Man plays a part in his own salvation whether you believe it, like it, or not.

 

[Stranger]

1 Peter 3:20 "saved by water". So his salvation required he first build the boat, board the boat as God commanded then he was saved by water. Noah was obedient man to God during his life, not perfectly obedient, but obedient to all GOd's commands. Building the ark was part of that life long obedience by which he would be eternally saved. Building the ark was not the only obedience Noah did in his life. Again, Noah lived a life in obedience to God..."Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."

So why did Noah need grace?

Stranger

 

[Preacher4Truth]

1 Peter 3:20 "saved by water". So his salvation required he first build the boat, board the boat as God commanded then he was saved by water. Noah was obedient man to God during his life, not perfectly obedient, but obedient to all GOd's commands. Building the ark was part of that life long obedience by which he would be eternally saved. Building the ark was not the only obedience Noah did in his life. Again, Noah lived a life in obedience to God..."Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."

Noah was justified by faith, and received grace (unmerited favor) from God. He wasn't saved by doing anything, this was only evidence of his conversion, not the cause.

 

[Stranger]

Mk 16:15,16
And yes, this is your flood moment.

Christ is not telling the world to go preach and baptize. He is telling His disciples.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

So Abraham built altars, sacrificed animals and called on the name of the lord but God didn’t consider him righteous until Gen 15:6? If you say so.

No. God says so. God says righteousness was not imputed to him till (Gen. 15:6). Was Abraham doing good works and being obedient to God before that, and after that? Yes. But righteousness was imputed to him only when he could do nothing but believe.

Ouch.

Stranger

 

[brakelite]

The Ark is a type of Christ. When Noah entered the ark, and the Lord shut him in, Noah was then secure and he was protected through out the ensuing storm. Now we must also be in Christ to secure or way through the coming storm prior to the second coming. Of however we should die before that time, we can be assured of the resurrection because we also are shut in. This does not mean OSAS, because we can always choose to exit the ark... Noah could have also excited the week before the time. But he waited until the final token of redemption.. Dry land. His resurrection came when he stepped out, and them was his salvation sure and non negotiable.

 

[Helen]

One that supported what you said. I said God never told the world to build a boat. You said no, but He told them to believe and be baptized. What Scripture do you use to support that.

Noah was saved for the same reason any one else is saved. By faith. He was already saved before he built the boat. (Gen. 6:8,7:1)

(Heb. 11) speaks to the believers walk of faith and the products of his faith. These things witnessed to the faith they already had. Noah became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. That is not the moment of his salvation. His act condemned the world and he obtained the blessings that the righteousness which is by faith brings. The most immediate of which, was surviving the flood. (Gen. 6:8,7:1)

Look at Abraham in (Heb. 11). His leaving his home to go to another land by faith is spoken of. (11:8-10) His offering up of Isaac is spoken of. (11:17-19) Neither of these acts of faith are the time when God imputed righteousness to him. See (Gen. 15:6)

I hold to the importance of water baptism for your walk of salvation. But it is not necessary to be born-again.

Stranger

Excellent

 

[CNKW3]

Christ is not telling the world to go preach and baptize. He is telling His disciples.

Stranger

Let’s get this straight....according to your doctrine, Christ ONLY wanted the apostles to preach the gospel? Is this your doctrine?
Paul said “the gospel” is the power of God unto salvation. If so? Who’s gonna deliver it? The apostles are dead.
And IF someone delivers it today then what Christ said stands....he that believes it AND IS baptized WILL BE SAVED. do you want to be saved by “the gospel”? Then you MUST believe and be baptized. there is NO getting around it. You are just like those who rejected the idea that the world would be covered in water.

 

[CNKW3]

No. God says so. God says righteousness was not imputed to him till (Gen. 15:6). Was Abraham doing good works and being obedient to God before that, and after that? Yes. But righteousness was imputed to him only when he could do nothing but believe.

Ouch.

Stranger

So Abraham didn’t believe until Gen 15? Who obeys all these other commands but doesn’t believe in the source that’s giving them? Who calls on the name of a God he doesn’t believe in? What a strange doctrine you must adhere to. Good luck with that!

 

[CNKW3]

Excellent
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You too are just like those who rejected the absurd idea that the world will be covered in water. Congratulations.

 

[Helen]

You too are just like those who rejected the absurd idea that the world will be covered in water. Congratulations.

Thank you, you are so kind.

Word.
"“And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.”

Our God is a consuming fire.

 

[CNKW3]

Thank you, you are so kind.

Word.
"“And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.”

Our God is a consuming fire.

I’m more kind then you can ever imagine.
Yes I know the world will never be destroyed by a flood. But you like the rest do not believe what God says so therefore you are just like those who rejected the message that they should build a boat. You believe your pastor. You believe others on this forum. You believe those like Billy Graham. You DO NOT believe in what God has said...
He that believes (the gospel) and is baptized will be saved! You believe you can be saved alone on your bed saying some prayer God never told you to pray.

 

[Helen]

I’m more kind then you can ever imagine.
Yes I know the world will never be destroyed by a flood. But you like the rest do not believe what God says so therefore you are just like those who rejected the message that they should build a boat. You believe your pastor. You believe others on this forum. You believe those like Billy Graham. You DO NOT believe in what God has said...
He that believes (the gospel) and is baptized will be saved! You believe you can be saved alone on your bed saying some prayer God never told you to pray.

Clever boy to 'know' all that I believe.
I'm sure what you believe you believe with your whole heart.

Be blessed. ✟