justbyfaith
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But (Rom. 5:13-14) proves your belief wrong.
Just saying that to me isn't going to prove anything. Show how it proves my belief wrong. Because I don't think that it does. Don't be lazy; put some effort into your answer.
You have not explained why did those die from Adam to Moses when God did not impute their sins to them. Still waiting.
Because they sinned; and died for their own sins.
Consider that God didn't impute their sins to them because there was no law.
In Romans 2:12, it is written,
Rom 2:12, For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
The answer to your question is that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) whether sin is imputed or not imputed.
(Deut. 24:16) does not come against the substitutionary death of Christ. Your attempt to use it to disprove imputation does. You say, based on (Deut. 24:16), that every man dies for his own sins. Well, you must reject then that Christ died for our sins.
How do you figure? I never thought that Deuteronomy 24:16 came against the substitutionary death of Christ. I just don't see how taking the verse literally with the understanding that every man dies for his own sin (not for Adam's) in any way denies the fact of the substitutionary death of Christ. So you're going to have to elaborate on how you think it does.
I do believe that God can impute righteousness to us and not impute sin to us even if Adam's sin is not imputed to us but we die for our own sin. Do you think that in order for God to impute righteousness to us, and for Him not to impute sin to us, that it is necessary for Adam's sin to be also imputed to us? I do not see that as being logical; neither do I see it as being the scriptural view.
Deuteronomy 24:16 shows simply that we die for sins that we commit; and yes we inherited sin from Adam: it was the propensity for sin that we were born into: we come out of the womb speaking lies (Psalms 58:3). We do not die for Adam's sin but our own. The only sense in which we die for Adam's sin is in that in eating of the tree, he partook of the sin DNA that was in that fruit; and that sin DNA was passed down to us through heredity. So we are sinners by birth. But we will not be punished for Adam's sin; no, rather we will be punished for sins that we ourselves committed; not for the sins of our fathers.
Eze 18:1, The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
Eze 18:2, What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
Eze 18:3, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
Eze 18:4, Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Yes, you see it. You just ignore it.
Explain to me what it is that you think that I am ignoring; and I will tell you whether I saw it before.
Save your hypocritical love for someone else.
@marks is no hypocrite; from what I have seen he has been exemplary in both doctrine and behaviour.
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