When is it right for Christians to take a stand against evil?

[Soverign Grace]

Yes, the sky is not falling. Worry not.

The reading and different interpretations of the Bible, are because of the two reason I mentioned: 1) All do not actually have the Holy Spirit, and 2) we are different for a reason, by design.

The reason God allows the negative interpretations, is also by design: Just as a type of sleep was placed upon Israel until the time of the gentiles (other peoples) is fulfilled, so too is it for much of the church during these times. That is...if not for the slumber of many, the end would have come before the chosen of these many generations were born. Not that we should encourage evil, but God has intended that evil even within the church would be for good for those who love Him.

Meanwhile, seek His peace until the end.

Of course not all who call themselves Christian have the Holy Spirit - and there are those who 'grieve' the Holy Spirit through their ungodly actions. We all might want to think about this.

It's interesting that you think negative interpretations is by design - I've never heard anyone say that.

I'm still trying to see what God expects of us during these times of great evil. I see many Christians as passive - and in a slumber of sorts. I am of the belief - now that is - that we are still to work to shield and protect what we as Christians believe in. Other Christians are of the view that the end is coming and it's supposed to get worse - so be it. I really honestly don't know who is right and who is wrong. I'm trying to determine that.

Right now I work emailing legislators (for what good it does) and work to actively protect what I believe in as a Christian. I am of the belief if other Christians would step in and act also we might be able to affect change. But that's not going to happen when you have passive Christians.

 

[Soverign Grace]

There will come a point, as I believe it, that if a person quenches the Spirit too often under the presumption that God will always forgive him and take him back one more time, that God will not. Consider the Israelites of old, the natural children of Jacob, who rebelled against God and repented... until God cut them off from their Promised Land. Ten times it was and 40 years in the desert until death came to them. Sound like anything we see today?

I believe this too. Charles Stanley had a sermon on this one time. I knew a Christian family who taught the bible at a church they owned - they committed many atrocities until they were caught doing something illegal and their names were splashed nationwide. They hurt a lot of other Christians who had put some faith in them. They lost their business but are still running a church - and other believers who really know them want it closed because they're misleading new believers.

 

[Pearl]

It's perhaps a bit simplistic but Jesus didn't stand against the injustices inflicted on the population by the Romans while he was on earth.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Here is a question for everyone:

I read this yesterday on Sons of Liberty. I just found it on another site. Do you believe that Christians should take any action in the following:

Drag queen flashes his crotch to children during library story time - Liberty Unyielding

 

[Soverign Grace]

It's perhaps a bit simplistic but Jesus didn't stand against the injustices inflicted on the population by the Romans while he was on earth.

That's a point. The only time I can think of that he acted was when He turned over the tables of the moneychangers. Maybe someone else can recall another event but I cannot right now.

 

[amadeus]

I believe this too. Charles Stanley had a sermon on this one time. I knew a Christian family who taught the bible at a church they owned - they committed many atrocities until they were caught doing something illegal and their names were splashed nationwide. They hurt a lot of other Christians who had put some faith in them. They lost their business but are still running a church - and other believers who really know them want it closed because they're misleading new believers.

Yes, what was done was wrong, but God does have mercy on a truly repentant person. A person, however, who repents superficially expecting God to always have one more bit of mercy for him may well in the end be very disappointed.

 

[Marymog]

It's perhaps a bit simplistic but Jesus didn't stand against the injustices inflicted on the population by the Romans while he was on earth.

Hi Pearl,

Didn't the Zealots stand against the injustices? Look what happened to them! I think Jesus took the right approach.

Mary

 

[ScottA]

It's interesting that you think negative interpretations is by design - I've never heard anyone say that.

I'm still trying to see what God expects of us during these times of great evil. I see many Christians as passive - and in a slumber of sorts. I am of the belief - now that is - that we are still to work to shield and protect what we as Christians believe in. Other Christians are of the view that the end is coming and it's supposed to get worse - so be it. I really honestly don't know who is right and who is wrong. I'm trying to determine that.

Right now I work emailing legislators (for what good it does) and work to actively protect what I believe in as a Christian. I am of the belief if other Christians would step in and act also we might be able to affect change. But that's not going to happen when you have passive Christians.

Just as God allowed Israel to divorce their wives (but from the beginning it was not so) Matthew 19:8, God has also allowed the negative interpretations until the times of the gentiles is fulfilled.

Nonetheless, it is good to hold the standard of His righteousness. This you are right to do.

But do not concern yourself with the ebb and flow of good and evil (even that which is allowed), for Christ has already overcome the world.

 

[Ezra]

Just curious.... If you're one of a group of cops torturing someone to death, are you going to video yourself doing it? The obvious answer is, "No",

bingo

 

[Ezra]

Dude the ‘element of society’ ARE the cops themselves

Some are good but the job attracts an ‘element of society’ that’s not good

that is not what he is saying . some cops are bad .it does look odd videoing a torture knowing it could be used in court against you.. are some stupid enough to do that? i am sure

 

[Soverign Grace]

Just as God allowed Israel to divorce their wives (but from the beginning it was not so) Matthew 19:8, God has also allowed the negative interpretations until the times of the gentiles is fulfilled.

Nonetheless, it is good to hold the standard of His righteousness. This you are right to do.

But do not concern yourself with the ebb and flow of good and evil (even that which is allowed), for Christ has already overcome the world.

Well I am concerned at what is going on around me - this is a world we're leaving to the next generation and we have not left them a good one. I wish I had paid attention to politics earlier but I didn't. But now that I see the evil decisions being made I try to act - although if you have no political clout it seems you don't have a voice. That's why I wish more Christians weren't so passive. I emailed legislators and nary a one paid real attention. You get the form letters with empty promises and you know they and their cronies are going to do whatever they want. We currently have taxation without representation. I feel the most like Habakuk - and it does move me to pray and that's a good thing. But these last months my eyes have been opened and my spirit quickened that the whole world really does lie in the lap of the wicked one. It was similar to when I was spiritually reborn and the veil was lifted - I could see the truth - and now God has removed the veil off my mind of who and what is really going on in this world.

He showed me how it dovetails with Revelations. I don't know yet His purpose but He has a reason. I have a sensitive spirit and God knows that things trouble me - I can't stand to see an animal or person hurt and there is a lot of evil going on today. A bible study teacher told me I'm really close to the Spirit. We were driving through a city and I was reading the Book of Revelations to family in the car and all of a sudden I read a verse and I felt my spirit quicken within. Then we passed this huge, beautiful old church and I looked up at it and had such a sense of Holiness and closeness to God wash over me. It was beautiful - like a foretaste of Heaven. That doesn't happen too often but when it does it's really encouraging.

 

[Soverign Grace]

There will come a point, as I believe it, that if a person quenches the Spirit too often under the presumption that God will always forgive him and take him back one more time, that God will not. Consider the Israelites of old, the natural children of Jacob, who rebelled against God and repented... until God cut them off from their Promised Land. Ten times it was and 40 years in the desert until death came to them. Sound like anything we see today?

Do you see judgement coming on America as a whole? We've gotten pretty close to Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[Soverign Grace]

bingo

Video is often taken by witnesses - if the cops don't confiscate it which they do.

They also alter video.

It appears as if there was an honest cop among them. There are good cops. We have nice ones in our city.

 

[Soverign Grace]

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[Soverign Grace]

Just as God allowed Israel to divorce their wives (but from the beginning it was not so) Matthew 19:8, God has also allowed the negative interpretations until the times of the gentiles is fulfilled.

Nonetheless, it is good to hold the standard of His righteousness. This you are right to do.

But do not concern yourself with the ebb and flow of good and evil (even that which is allowed), for Christ has already overcome the world.

You're not concerned about things that are happening: Did you see this: Drag Queen Story Hour Invades The Church

I get Prophecy News updates - some of what they send is pretty strong.

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm still trying to see what God expects of us during these times of great evil.

no offense, just scanning, but imo a um useful hit and run here might be
"turn off the news" or maybe even pluck your right eye out

the world is a better place, right now, right this second, than at any time in past history, by any measure you care to name, SG. Please choose any measure you like, and lets see!

 

[Willie T]

no offense, just scanning, but imo a um useful hit and run here might be
"turn off the news" or maybe even pluck your right eye out

the world is a better place, right now, right this second, than at any time in past history, by any measure you care to name, SG. Please choose any measure you like, and lets see!

Unfortunately, some people seem to focus only on the negative they can ferret out of everything.

 

[bbyrd009]

Unfortunately, some people seem to focus only on the negative they can ferro out of everything.

the poor you will always have with you i guess, yeh. I have gotten to where i can always tell, in forums, if i am speaking to someone who has a garden or not!

 

[Mayflower]

I had this dream one time that I was following this cop who said he was taking me to teach me how to fight, and took me to this storage room area. But then I just tried to tell him everything that was wrong, so he got a notepad and just started to write everything down. I didn't learn to defend myself or fight at all, because I was too busy telling the cop everything that was happening.

So this is the lesson I learned from this:


-God cares about what bothers us and does listen to us.

-He has given us everything we need to battle against the enemy. We just have to know how to use what He has given us.

But


-God wants to give us the tools to defend ourselves and be active against the enemy. If we are busy all the time focusing our eyes on issues going on around us, we are not asking God to teach us how to battle these things. It takes a great deal of discernment, courage, and faith to battle against the dark spiritual forces of this world. Are we willing to stand and fight? Or are we going to let the enemy come while we are all asleep?

 

[Willie T]

I had this dream one time that I was following this cop who said he was taking me to teach me how to fight, and took me to this storage room area. But then I just tried to tell him everything that was wrong, so he got a notepad and just started to write everything down. I didn't learn to defend myself or fight at all, because I was too busy telling the cop everything that was happening.

So this is the lesson I learned from this:


-God cares about what bothers us and does listen to us.

-He has given us everything we need to battle against the enemy. We just have to know how to use what He has given us.

But


-God wants to give us the tools to defend ourselves and be active against the enemy. If we are busy all the time focusing our eyes on issues going on around us, we are not asking God to teach us how to battle these things. It takes a great deal of discernment, courage, and faith to battle against the dark spiritual forces of this world. Are we willing to stand and fight? Or are we going to let the enemy come while we are all asleep?

I began my more serious instruction in fighting at the age of nine. I was taught by an Army Ranger my mother was dating. (The same man who began teaching me to shoot and to fly that year.)

Interestingly enough, he began by teaching me defensive moves first. The aggressive offensive instruction came only after I had fully developed no fear of the other person being capable of hurting me as long as I knew how to block their attempts.

It seems most Christians are being taught that the "Christian" way is to aggressively and pre-emptively strike out at other humans in the fear that they will be hurt themselves if they don't hurt someone else first. Jesus told us to Spiritually RESIST the Devil.... NOT to attack him by going for the throats of other humans.

It seems to be more constructive to point out to others what we understand to be the correct way of things, rather than to look for what we feel someone else is doing wrong.