Halloween Street Preaching

[Prayer Warrior]

Not in a position to pull up the video right now. A generic example would be standing at the street corner shouting at random strangers about how they are going to burn for their sins.

You said that the guy in the video was being abusive. Is this what he said?

Nonsense.
Manipulation is manipulation. Doing it for the perceived "greater good" doesn't make it right.
Real love doesn't manipulate at all. Speak with love and love only.

Hey, you can manipulate me to heaven all day long, and I won't complain, lol!

Which is standard street preacher M.O. Again, it's abusive and sinful.

This is a generalization and a poor argument.

On a thread about it.

You're not going to tell me where??

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Neither Jesus nor Paul used the tactics a modern day street preacher uses.

I get the feeling you think that Jesus and Paul didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings or make anyone feel uncomfortable. (Hmm, seems to be a recurring theme.)

Paul didn't preach this on a street corner, but he wrote it in a letter.

2 Thes. 2:9-12--The coming of the lawless one is based on Satan’s working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders, and with every unrighteous deception among those who are perishing. They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth in order to be saved. For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false, so that all will be condemned — those who did not believe the truth but enjoyed unrighteousness.
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[Jane_Doe22]

Hey, you can manipulate me to heaven all day long, and I won't complain, lol!

This seems to be the core of this disagreement between us:
I'm never ok with manipulation or threats, and see them as being inherently abusive & sinful.
You seem to be ok with them under certain circumstances.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

This seems to be the core of this disagreement between us:
I'm never ok with manipulation or threats, and see them as being inherently sinful.
You seem to be ok with them under certain circumstances.

No, I don't see preaching about hell as being inherently manipulative or threatening. I'm not okay with manipulating and threatening people.

You really have to look at some of the things Jesus and Paul said. They were not manipulating people when they preached about hell or condemnation.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

No, I don't see preaching about hell as being inherently manipulative or threatening. I'm not okay with manipulating and threatening people..

Then you're not ok with street preacher or Hell-focused teaching?

That's tonally different than Paul or Jesus' words. I know you don'[t get the difference but if you trying to lump Jesus with men I see as being downright abusive sinners is being quite triggering at this point and I'm not going to respond to any more such lumping.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

What does God do to the "predators" who are hurting His sheep? Does He ever pour out His wrath on them?

@Giuliano , another answer to my question.

2 Thes. 1:3-10--We must always thank God for you, brothers. This is right, since your faith is flourishing and the love each one of you has for one another is increasing. Therefore, we ourselves boast about you among God’s churches — about your endurance and faith in all the persecutions and afflictions you endure. It is a clear evidence of God’s righteous judgment that you will be counted worthy of God’s kingdom, for which you also are suffering, since it is righteous for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you and to reward with rest you who are afflicted, along with us. This will take place at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with His powerful angels, taking vengeance with flaming fire on those who don’t know God and on those who don’t obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the Lord’s presence and from His glorious strength in that day when He comes to be glorified by His saints and to be admired by all those who have believed, because our testimony among you was believed.
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[Prayer Warrior]

Then you're not ok with street preacher or Hell-focused teaching?

I said I don't see it as inherently manipulative or threatening. Both Jesus and Paul preached about hell and damnation. I've quoted them in the last few posts.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I said I don't see it as inherently manipulative or threatening. Both Jesus and Paul preached about hell and damnation. I've quoted them in the last few posts.

Prayer Warrior, this conversation is not being productive, for the reasons I listed in posts 323 and 325.

 

[Grailhunter]

The guy on the video….if he was on this forum we would call him a troll. Trolling!

They could do this outside a Catholic church.
They could do this outside a Pentecostal church.
They could do this outside a Methodist church.
They could do this outside a Mormon church.

And really! A loud speaker at children! Why don’t this happen when I am around!
It’s called freedom….freedom of religion.
Freedom of speech or religious persecution?
From a Christian stand point it is judging and condemning.

If you don’t like Halloween, don’t go. Put a sign in your front yard that lets the world know that you do not like Halloween.

There are so many perspectives out there and if we do not respect each other... things can get out of hand….I did a post on Christian love minus respect. It has caused things like this throughout history.

What would you do if we had a birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese for your grand-daughter and the Jehovah’s Wittiness came in with loud speakers and yelled out the kids, telling them that they were going to hell or demonic for celebrating a birthday party.

So many perspectives….if we let the fanatics run wild it just makes Christianity look bad.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Prayer Warrior, this conversation is not being productive, for the reasons I listed in posts 323 and 325.

What is your idea of productive?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

The guy on the video….if he was on this forum we would call him a troll. Trolling!

They could do this outside a Catholic church.
They could do this outside a Pentecostal church.
They could do this outside a Methodist church.
They could do this outside a Mormon church.

And really! A loud speaker at children! Why don’t this happen when I am around!
It’s called freedom….freedom of religion.
Freedom of speech or religious persecution?
From a Christian stand point it is judging and condemning.

If you don’t like Halloween, don’t go. Put a sign in your front yard that lets the world know that you do not like Halloween.

There are so many perspectives out there and if we do not respect each other... things can get out of hand….I did a post on Christian love minus respect. It has caused things like this throughout history.

What would you do if we had a birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese for your grand-daughter and the Jehovah’s Wittiness came in with loud speakers and yelled out the kids, telling them that they were going to hell or demonic for celebrating a birthday party.

So many perspectives….if we let the fanatics run wild it just makes Christianity look bad.

Hi, Grailhunter, I figured you were circling.

Of course I wouldn't like a JW yelling at my children at a private party. I don't see these as the same thing, though.

I have a question for you. What if someone did get saved as a result of this street preacher?

BTW, I have missed talking to you.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

What is your idea of productive?

Doing one of the following:
- Uplift one or more persons in the conversation
- Help a person understand & love another person(s) better
- Glorifying to God
- One or more persons learning of truths.

I am just feeling no heard and being frustrated with you.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Doing one of the following:
- Uplift one or more persons in the conversation
- Help a person understand & love another person(s) better
- Glorifying to God
- One or more persons learning of truths.

I am just feeling no heard and being frustrated with you.

I am listening and responding. I think I've answered all of your questions. Maybe my answers aren't what you want to hear.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I am listening and responding. I think I've answered all of your questions. Maybe my answers aren't what you want to hear.

Honestly, I don't feel listened to or that you're trying to understand my thoughts on that matter at all.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Honestly, I don't feel listened to or that you're trying to understand my thoughts on that matter at all.

I understand. I feel the same.

 

[Grailhunter]

Hi, Grailhunter, I figured you were circling.

Of course I wouldn't like a JW yelling at my children at a private party. I don't see these as the same thing, though.

I have a question for you. What if someone did get saved as a result of this street preacher?
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Well, when Prayer Warrior speaks I sit up and take notice.
While I am guilty of sometimes believing that the end justifies the means....because I believe in righteous stompings, and that is what would have happened there.
They needed a lesson in respect. Christian love with no respect.
Blasting children cannot be good.
Religiously speaking, the OT was full of God fears....that was there relationship with God. In the NT we are God lovers. A different relationship....The family of God....what does the song say....friends of Christ.

 

[Grailhunter]

Doing one of the following:
- Uplift one or more persons in the conversation
- Help a person understand & love another person(s) better
- Glorifying to God
- One or more persons learning of truths.

I am just feeling no heard and being frustrated with you.

Copy that!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I understand. I feel the same.

I understand that you believe that getting to Heaven is a good thing and that's your primary focus. I get that you're ok with some degree of fear-based motivation to get there. I get that you see stern language in the Bible, and find it to be like what modern day street preachers do.

I get all that.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Honestly, I don't feel listened to or that you're trying to understand my thoughts on that matter at all.

I would just say again that I am listening, and I do understand your thoughts, but I doubt that I will ever agree with what you're saying.

I see this issue very differently, as you know. I believe that any time the gospel is being preached, God can use that to save the lost, even if the preacher's motives or tactics are not the best. I think about what Joseph said to his brothers: "What you intended against me for evil, God intended for good." God can deal with the preachers' motives, and He will if they are not good, but God can use anything for His good....

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I would just say again that I am listening, and I do understand your thoughts, but I doubt that I will ever agree with what you're saying.

I see this issue very differently, as you know. I believe that any time the gospel is being preached, God can use that to save the lost, even if the preacher's motives or tactics are not the best. I think about what Joseph said to his brothers: "What you intended against me for evil, God intended for good." God can deal with the preachers' motives, and He will if they are not good, but God can use anything for His good....

It's the methods I'm taking problem with. Ends don't justify means.