The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

[Marymog]

Only if my website contradicts Scripture.

It does!

 

[Marymog]

And Paul even said while he was alive the church started going astray and teaching incorrect doctrine. So Sorry, don't trust oral tradition. I trust the Scriptures.

Soooo I should trust YOUR oral tradition and interpretation but no one else's? Fascinating...

 

[CovenantPromise]

Luther did become mentally ill. That was because of becoming bitter . Even Jewish Christians know he did. I think what is obvious is, all self willed practices result in sickness of heart , soul and mind. That also is applied to the hierarchy who started all the mess. It is not a righteous man who subjugates and murders . And Christianity is not about using "force" with strength of arms to spread the knowledge of the kingdom of heaven. At this point men need to see, there are faults in assemblies and they cannot be accepted.

 

[CovenantPromise]

It does!

Agreed!

 

[CovenantPromise]

Soooo I should trust YOUR oral tradition and interpretation but no one else's? Fascinating...

So glad I am on neutral ground , peace. I am in the peace of God alone! That is why I do not align 100% with any one denomination. That does not mean I do not find more truth in one than in another, but, since they do not teach a Virgin doctrine in entirety , it is safe to say, it is better to show no partiality in esteem and admonishment.

 

[reformed1689]

Soooo I should trust YOUR oral tradition and interpretation but no one else's? Fascinating...

I don't follow an oral tradition. Only Scripture.

 

[reformed1689]

It does!

Prove it.

 

[Marymog]

I don't follow an oral tradition. Only Scripture.

I forgot......You properly interpret Scripture and rely on no one else to interpret it for you therefore what you said is true.....you don't follow oral tradition.

I guess you are the one who first interpreted John 3:5 to mean amniotic fluid....you didn't get that from anyone else.

 

[Marymog]

Prove it.

Already have in this discussion about baptism.

 

[Marymog]

Again, this does not meet burden of proof.

Hmmmm......so the Southern Baptist (which started 1700+ years after Christ died) know more about what the Apostles taught on infant baptism then Irenaeous?

If I ever want to know what David Taylor was like I should go ask his great, great, great, great, great, great grand children instead of his grand children on what they were told about you.......In theory that is what you are saying.

 

[reformed1689]

Already have in this discussion about baptism.

Not even close.

 

[Marymog]

Not even close.

Post #1699 destroyed your theory by putting John 3:5 into context, showed that amniotic fluid was NEVER talked about in Scripture and showed historically what The Church has ALWAYS taught, practiced, believed about baptismal regeneration and that passage.

Your context is wrong...

Your interpretation is wrong....

Your Christian history is wrong...

Thank you for your time.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You just did with scripture . No man can speak upon any true matter if it has not FIRST been revealed by He whom all Truth has come to be known. You fail to realize Christ is clear "Heaven and earth will pass away but MY words will never pass away" . The children are never to be hindered that is Christ's doctrine before men could form doctrines built upon the foundation laid by His first to know. The foundation coined it, all righteous men simply magnify it all! We being different instruments have different ways of saying the same thing the scriptures say. A drum does not sound like a piano, nor a trumpet like a flute, but each can play the same song according to their instrumentality .

Matthew 19:
Jesus Blesses the Children
13Then the little children were brought to Jesus for Him to place His hands on them and pray for them. And the disciples rebuked those who brought them. 14But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not hinder them! For the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” 15And after He had placed His hands on them, He went on from there.…

For such is the kingdom of heaven . Christ preached the kingdom of heaven . It is for the infant and the OLD . What Christ said should be applied to and upon the infant and in their growing. As a matter of fact Wisdom is with the FAITHFUL in the womb. Hence why parents should serve God. The health of the child is important. God's hand weaves the faithful in the womb. Every work in faith draws us closer to the eternal Father. we will stumble and fall on occasion but with help , as we must give our children we carry any cross given us and we conquer sin! we are called to perfection and with Christ we accomplish it. "Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect" . He would not say it if it were not possible in Him!
Proverbs 22:
A Good Name
…5Thorns and snares lie on the path of the perverse; he who guards his soul stays far from them. 6Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it.

THANK YOU for illustrating so clearly just how spiritually prideful – and emotionally-unbalanced you are.

You’re doing a LOT of prideful squawking about yourself – but you haven’t produce a single SHRED of Scriptural evidence for your false doctrine of Sola Scriptura. Your psychotic ad hominem tirades are just a cover-up for the fact that you can’t prove this false precept of men.

Let’s review . . .

I AM SOUND

I AM PURE – you are defiled

I AM PRESENTED AS A VIRGIN – you a WHORE

I am UNBLEMISHED – YOU are a just a wannabe!

LOTS of insults – ZERO evidence.

Your remarks illustrate the absolute antithesis of Christianity. NONE of the NT writers ever made such claims.
Your self-exaltation will only garner you judgement before God:

Matt. 23:12
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Good luck with that . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Again, this does not meet burden of proof.

Of course not. No evidence is never good enough for an ignorant denier like you.

You would deny Christ to His very face . . .

 

[CovenantPromise]

THANK YOU for illustrating so clearly just how spiritually prideful – and emotionally-unbalanced you are.

You’re doing a LOT of prideful squawking about yourself – but you haven’t produce a single SHRED of Scriptural evidence for your false doctrine of Sola Scriptura. Your psychotic ad hominem tirades are just a cover-up for the fact that you can’t prove this false precept of men.

Let’s review . . .





LOTS of insults – ZERO evidence.

Your remarks illustrate the absolute antithesis of Christianity. NONE of the NT writers ever made such claims.
Your self-exaltation will only garner you judgement before God:

Matt. 23:12
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Good luck with that . . .

Oboya! Whatever.... and I am not lucky I am LOVED!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not exactly an endorsement of infant baptism if the ECF were unanimously in favor of it as you claimed.

Like I said - the ONLY advice from Tertullian on not baptizing children wa written right before his official descent into the Montanist Heresy.

As is educated you before, the Montanists were against baptizing MOST people.
This pretty much nullifies what he wrote.

Every other faithful ECF endorsed Infant Baptism as "APOSTOLIC" . . .

 

[CovenantPromise]

I do LOVE to Boast:
Jeremiah 9:24
…23This is what the LORD says: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom , nor the strong man in his strength, nor the wealthy man in his riches. 24But let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the LORD, who exercises loving devotion, justice and righteousness on the earth— for I delight in these things,” declares the LORD. 25“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will punish all who are circumcised yet uncircumcised:…


My soul magnifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior. For He has done unto me a mighty thing. He has thrown the proud from their thrones and exulted the humble. All generations shall call me BLESSED! QUITE THE BOAST! Oh but of course you would be against that BOL.

BOL said: "Your remarks illustrate the absolute antithesis of Christianity. NONE of the NT writers ever made such claims.
Your self-exaltation will only garner you judgement before God:

Matt. 23:12
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted."

Clearly you know not the difference between boasting in the Lord and what He has done for those He exults and self exultation . That is what you do with you false doctrines. You exult yourself and erroneous men. You are self righteous not righteous in Christ. That is why you post contradicting doctrines from this or that man. You fancy yourself a teacher , yet you do not even have sound doctrine,that is what it is meant by to exult oneself . To boast and state a fact about what God has done for you or made you is exulting His work and grace given you. You would know nothing about that. If you have a vow to Christ to uphold Christian doctrine but embrace erroneous doctrine, not according to me but GOD , you are a whore. Just saying!

 

[BreadOfLife]

I do LOVE to Boast:
Jeremiah 9:24
…23This is what the LORD says: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom , nor the strong man in his strength, nor the wealthy man in his riches. 24But let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the LORD, who exercises loving devotion, justice and righteousness on the earth— for I delight in these things,” declares the LORD. 25“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will punish all who are circumcised yet uncircumcised:…


My soul magnifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior. For He has done unto me a mighty thing. He has thrown the proud from their thrones and exulted the humble. All generations shall call me BLESSED! QUITE THE BOAST! Oh but of course you would be against that BOL.

BOL said: "Your remarks illustrate the absolute antithesis of Christianity. NONE of the NT writers ever made such claims.
Your self-exaltation will only garner you judgement before God:

Matt. 23:12
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted."

Clearly you know not the difference between boasting in the Lord and what He has done for those He exults and self exultation . That is what you do with you false doctrines. You exult yourself and erroneous men. You are self righteous not righteous in Christ. That is why you post contradicting doctrines from this or that man. You fancy yourself a teacher , yet you do not even have sound doctrine,that is what it is meant by to exult oneself . To boast and state a fact about what God has done for you or made you is exulting His work and grace given you. You would know nothing about that. If you have a vow to Christ to uphold Christian doctrine but embrace erroneous doctrine, not according to me but GOD , you are a whore. Just saying!

That’s right – just keep exalting yourself.
God will have not be mocked . . .

As for your repeated accusations of my “contradicting” Scripture – you keep saying that – but haven’t produced ONE SHRED of evidence as to how . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I don't follow an oral tradition. Only Scripture.

Which is a Tradition of the Catholic Church.

The NT canon YOU adhere to was declared by the Church - not Scripture . . .

 

[CovenantPromise]

BOL's goal is not to exult truth or magnify the Lord ,but to make men become submissive to his denomination , irregardless of its erroneous doctrines. The funny thing is, I am simply telling men to let go of erroneous doctrines. I do not tell them to leave wherever they fellowship or commune. Therefore, I am not preaching any denomination nor myself, but simply truth. BOL want's to force people to accept lies, I just point them out, he wants people to be submissive to non-truth, I simply want men to know the truth from where they are and apply that solely in their lives. You can do that no matter where you are. It is just as simple as this " be in the world but not of it". Lies are of the world and the flesh governed by satan. But greater is He who is within you than he who is within the world. You will be persecuted by those you consider to be kin of denominations , but what prophet is ever accepted by his own? I AM 100% correct, and defiled people= with false indoctrination, just do not like it. If I was for self like BOL and others in here, I would be thumping 1 denomination including its erroneous doctrine. But since I am not and only reping My Christ, I am hated!

Isaiah 54:
Future Blessings for Zion correlates with Rev.14
1“Shout for joy, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth into song and cry aloud, you who have never travailed; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband,” says the LORD. 2“Enlarge the site of your tent, stretch out the curtains of your dwellings, do not hold back. Lengthen your ropes and drive your stakes deep.…

I am desolate because I have no husband of the denominations. But my children are few and far between that I gain , are more= of greater value to the Lord. I am to enlarge the SITE of my tent= right from where I am, in whatever way. The curtains of my grace , I am not to hold back. My ropes are the Lord's priestly cords, and the stakes are HIGH (SUPREME KNOWLEDGE OVER THE REST) and I must drive the knowledge in deep!

Song of Solomon1 :8
The Bride Confesses Her Love
…7Tell me, O one I love, where do you pasture your sheep? Where do you rest them at midday (REV.12 the NOON- the DAY which reveals all)? Why should I be like a veiled (Hidden) woman beside the flocks of your companions? 8If you do not know, O fairest of women, follow the tracks of the flock, and graze your young goats near the tents of the shepherds. 9I compare you, my darling, to a mare among Pharaoh’s chariots.…

I am not to teach from within the tents= denominations ( Cannot teach Catholic doctrine as it is , Orthodox as it is etc...)but outside /beside the flocks of my companions. I am compared to a mare among Pharaoh's chariots because I am fearless entering battle and I run my race to WIN!

Prophecy is what it is, too bad for those who refuse growth and do not know the eternal gospel is just that eternal and the New Song given me is in that. That old cliche is so true" You cannot teach an old dog new tricks" . Which means , those who have never put off the old man to begin with will never learn or embrace truth. They are actually dogs/wolves and cannot be redeemed, because they do not and never did believe to begin with. They simply have arisen among the faithful in order to gain followers unto themselves. They use Christ's name but teach erroneous doctrine to malign the truth and create stumbling blocks for the little ones.