Homosexual Church Dream

[Ezra]

actually this one of them post that helps generate FLESH

 

[Prayer Warrior]

What a lot of words without answering anything. You say it was God's design but can't say why Jesus didn't marry and have children.

To understand why Jesus never married and had children you have to know what He said about how He lived.

John 5:19-20--Then Jesus replied, “ I assure you: The Son is not able to do anything on His own, but only what He sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does these things in the same way. For the Father loves the Son and shows Him everything He is doing, and He will show Him greater works than these so that you will be amazed."

 

[Giuliano]

To understand why Jesus never married and had children you have to know what He said about how He lived.

John 5:19-20--Then Jesus replied, “ I assure you: The Son is not able to do anything on His own, but only what He sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does these things in the same way. For the Father loves the Son and shows Him everything He is doing, and He will show Him greater works than these so that you will be amazed."

I can't read your mind so I've no idea what you mean.

How are you reading that? God was not married so didn't want Jesus to be married? I thought you said marriage was part of God's plan.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I can't read your mind so I've no idea what you mean.

How are you reading that? God was not married so didn't want Jesus to be married? I thought you said marriage was part of God's plan.

Jesus constantly did the Father's will. He was never out of the Father's will, not once, not for a second.

Marriage is part of God's plan for humans and is the framework God created for humans to obey His command to multiply and fill the earth. Obviously, this was not the mission of Jesus Christ, who came to die for our sins and conquer sin and death.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Hebrews 13:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. there is nothing in the Bible about marriage and sodomy.. iam talking scripture . next people will be peeking in bedrooms to see how others has sex when married

Wasn’t talking about your bed. Or if you are married what you and your husband decide as you said that is between and man and his wife. Was only referencing there is also a different reference to bed as in Revelation 2:22-23 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. [23] And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

in reference to whoremongers and adulterers ...against God in going after the flesh instead of after the Spirit. It is said context, context context...Hebrews 13:4 in context is not even talking about what a man and woman do together ...that is not the topic but seems random and out of place ...UNLESS it is closer to speaking of belonging and betrothed to Christ.

 

[Ezra]

Wasn’t talking about your bed. Or if you are married what you and your husband decide as you said that is between and man and his wife. Was only referencing there is also a different reference to bed as in Revelation 2:22-23 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. [23] And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

in reference to whoremongers and adulterers ...against God in going after the flesh instead of after the Spirit. It is said context, context context...Hebrews 13:4 in context is not even talking about what a man and woman do together ...that is not the topic but seems random and out of place ...UNLESS it is closer to speaking of belonging and betrothed to Christ.

this is the topic
Homosexual Church Dream is the topic " but sodomy in marriage was made a sin " has suddenly become the topic

.Hebrews 13:4 in context is not even talking about what a man and woman do together

i must get a different bible

 

[shnarkle]

“parading”...interesting choice of word to evoke an strong reaction.

I'm not following what you mean here. Jesus points out that the legalists are all going to stand there as the prostitutes, tax collectors, etc. enter into the kingdom ahead of them. What else would you call it?

Will say with the hatred and disgust for the homosexuals... soon you’ll have them spitting the pork out.

I'm not following what this is supposed to mean either.

Almost got me convinced that maybe you are right and I do have double standards.

I'm going to walk out on a limb here and guess that you're engaging in some sort of sarcasm here. The problem with sarcasm is that if the person you're addressing doesn't know what you're talking about, it doesn't work. Pardon my inability to keep up. I'm not the sharpest tack in the box.

 

[Nancy]

I used to make the point that whatever reasons are granted for homosexuality can be just as easily used for all other forms of deviant behavior, but I'm beginning to see that we can just as easily take it another step back and make the same claim for fornication, adultery, profaning the Sabbath, ignoring the dietary laws, etc. Judgment begins with the church. We have only ourselves to blame for this nonsense.

Bingo! And, ALL the non-Christiqans, and a few that I do know...All. Have. Sex. Outside of marriage...

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Why didn't Jesus marry then?

He did. Ephesians 5:29-31 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: [30] For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. [31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

1 Corinthians 6:15-17 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. [16] What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. [17] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Do a husband and wife become one flesh? So it is .... “he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.”

https://tbibl.es/1Qnm

I also wonder if Paul believed women had to have children in order to be saved. Can that be right? What he meant confuses me. First he says there is neither male nor female; then he says there is a difference. I don't know what to make of some things he wrote.

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

you said: “First he says there is neither male nor female”...then hear what the Spirit says where there is neither male nor female. . “he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.” One spirit: Neither male nor female but a body tempered together in submission to the Head. Christ. Then “IF” they continue in Faith and Charity and Holiness being sober minded are ALL fruit of the Spirit. the child bearing is children born unto God...the promise children given of God that are brought forth unto the kingdom of God, increasing, multiplying and are fruitful joined unto one Spirit.

 

[shnarkle]

the Bible says marriage is honorable in all. and the bed is undefiled ..but adulterers and whoremongers God will judge, there is no reference to sodomy between man and wife . that is Bible

The whole issue revolves around God's promise to Abraham to have descendants as numerous as the stars. Anything that was an affront to that promise was sin. Coming up with legal loopholes to nullify God's word, doesn't cut it.

 

[shnarkle]

Bingo! And, ALL the non-Christiqans, and a few that I do know...All. Have. Sex. Outside of marriage...

The divorce rate among professing Christians is just as high as secular society, and that is exclusively because they remarry and divorce AGAIN. Divorce is a means to remarry which Christ himself condemned as adultery. So if they were actual followers of Christ we can safely assume that half of all Christians formicated on their spouses which allowed their spouses to divorce and remarry. Something tells me that they divorced for the only reason God allowed divorce in the first place: "the hardness of their hearts". Divorce was instituted because of God's grace for those who are hard hearted. It was never intended as a means to remarry. That was only the exception to the rule. It's sad how often the desperately wicked take the exception and make it the rule.

 

[shnarkle]

the Bible says marriage is honorable in all. and the bed is undefiled ..but adulterers and whoremongers God will judge, there is no reference to sodomy between man and wife . that is Bible

Are you suggesting this is a loophole?

 

[JohnPaul]

the Bible says marriage is honorable in all. and the bed is undefiled ..but adulterers and whoremongers God will judge, there is no reference to sodomy between man and wife . that is Bible

So anything goes as long as you are married, hey why not have a threesome or foursome honey we're married so it's okay.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I'm not following what you mean here. Jesus points out that the legalists are all going to stand there as the prostitutes, tax collectors, etc. enter into the kingdom ahead of them. What else would you call it?

then I apologize for thinking you were being sarcastic is referencing homosexual parades...when it was my mind that went there with parading.

I'm going to walk out on a limb here and guess that you're engaging in some sort of sarcasm here. The problem with sarcasm is that if the person you're addressing doesn't know what you're talking about, it doesn't work. Pardon my inability to keep up. I'm not the sharpest tack in the box.

was being sarcastic and sincere at the same time. You were making good points. Meant I’m beginning to see your point of view. If I’ve understood correctly, you suggest that just because His command may reveal a greater Spiritual Law that doesn’t mean we get rid of the Law of the Land as being good in all? For example even if I believe Adultery speaks of committing fornication with the ways of the world... I also maintain I shouldn’t commit adultery in my marriage. even if I would say stealing is to not steal the Word of God from a brothers mouth...also I wouldn’t steal physical things from my neighbors home. I’m trying to say I am sincere in starting to see, you are right, I do pick and choose which commands I keep and do not know what to think of this concerning the Sabbath day and keeping it Holy and dietary Laws and as we had the disagreement before on circumcision.

 

[JohnPaul]

I agree, and have to really wonder about husbands who want that sort of thing. I would think to become one you have to be looking your spouse in the eye. But I am curious as to what he thinks.

I very much doubt sodomy is okay if you are married, if you like that sort of stuff then you are a deviant, that part of the body isn't meant for entry only exit, if you know what I mean.

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus constantly did the Father's will. He was never out of the Father's will, not once, not for a second.

Marriage is part of God's plan for humans and is the framework God created for humans to obey His command to multiply and fill the earth. Obviously, this was not the mission of Jesus Christ, who came to die for our sins and conquer sin and death.

Are you saying God doesn’t have children?

 

[JohnPaul]

Hi Pearl, I believe that JohnPaul's seemingly hard stance stems from the fact that rarely, in the course of modern history, has ever such an overtly deviant and Biblically denounced sin, become either, in a complacent or militant manner, accepted as normal, or embraced as an act of love. It's all over the media as acceptable, on the TV shows, in the videos, in the advertisements, in the schools. And thus, is posing a greater threat than other sins that, at least currently, are still kept underground and hidden.

I, equally, find it utterly disgusting to watch people, whom I may have had some admiration for, embrace and support this defiant, deviant, perverted and shameful act...

...you know, to me, this is part of the mystery and wisdom of God. For, it's times like these that separate the boys from the men. Had it not been for this epidemic of inclusion, we may not have seen who the real fools are, as in, not necessarily those who practice it, but those who do not denounce it, ...who prior to this, may have appeared as having somewhat sound judgement?

And because of this mess of acceptance you have children and their sick parents wanting to change their child's sex because maybe the little boy played with his sister's doll or something, and homos and lesbos are allowed to adopt, you tell me something ain't wrong.

Yes death is deserving as in book of Leviticus states, you start defiling children and allow your 12 year to change his or hers sex then yes the blood of your own head should be put on your own hands, all because of this embracing, it's all bullshit, pardon my French, these people are deviants and will prey on anyone.

Hardcore to the bone on homosexuality, will never accept it.

 

[JohnPaul]

But it isn't the only sin to be accepted as normal is it? Adultery and unmarried sex have also been normalised. And so has lying and other 'lesser' sin as well as abortion. I do not condone homosexuality at all but what I do think is that we should not automatically shun people who practice it but draw them to Christ with love. If they choose to carry on with their chosen lifestyle that is up to them but hate is a sin too and we must not hate them. But I do think that if they decide to follow Jesus then they need to repent of their former lifestyle and abstain from that type of sex just as anybody would be expected to turn away from their former sinful lifestyle and live their lives God's way.

Hate is a strong word, I don't hate them I pity them, for they are in eternal damnation unless they stop and repent and ask for forgiveness, your 12 year old kid who's going to have a sex change is due to all this acceptance, and they'll be even younger children who'll want to change sex, you'll see.

 

[shnarkle]

then I apologize for thinking you were being sarcastic is referencing homosexual parades...when it was my mind that went there with parading.

Everyone who enters into the kingdom will be parading as well as earnestly making sure they get it no matter what. The contrast to the legalists just standing there watching is disturbing. Jesus points out that not only do they not enter themselves, but they do their level best to prevent others from entering as well. None of us are good enough, nor do any of us deserve to be allowed entrance into the kingdom which makes it all the more amazing that we are invited despite the fact that we're all born sinners.

It spotlights the Pharisee in us all. This whole topic of homosexuality is pointless if we get honest with ourselves. God's law is for our benefit. It is all sound doctrine. The Pharisees cherry picked the law and provided loopholes for themselves to get around the laws they didn't want to keep. It is the supreme irony to see Christ pointing this out, and then see Christians use that exact same passage to come up with a legal loophole for God's commandments themselves.

The Mosaic law provides a baseline which Christ not only never does away with, but exceeds. Christianity has completely dropped the ball by assuming that God's commandments are done away with.

I have spent decades arguing with atheists, agnostics, and skeptics, and the incredible irony is in noting that they make the same arguments Christians make when it comes to God's law.

If I’ve understood correctly, you suggest that just because His command may reveal a greater Spiritual Law that doesn’t mean we get rid of the Law of the Land as being good in all?

Not sure what you mean by "as being good in all". I'm not referring to the law of the land, but explicitly to the Mosaic law.

I do pick and choose which commands I keep

That's a level of honesty that is rare today among Christians.

and do not know what to think of this concerning the Sabbath day and keeping it Holy and dietary Laws and as we had the disagreement before on circumcision.

The crux of the matter has to do with the fact that Paul is condemning those who seek to justify themselves by the law. Christianity has concluded that this is an invitation to ignore the law altogether. It is a logical fallacy. It is a Non Sequitur. Just because no one is justified by the law, doesn't do away with the law. The purpose of the law was never to justify anyone. It was a false or illegitimate purpose.

 

[shnarkle]

I very much doubt sodomy is okay if you are married, if you like that sort of stuff then you are a deviant, that part of the body isn't meant for entry only exit, if you know what I mean.

The problem with this idea is that we do all sorts of things with our bodies that they were never meant to do. Our mouths are purposed with eating, talking, vomiting, etc., but we use them for all sorts of things that they simply shouldn't do. We should eat and drink nutritious foods, but how many of us drink diet sodas? There is no nutritional value whatsoever in a diet Coke, and yet no one ever condemns anyone for drinking them. We lick stamps, but the tongue was not created to lick stamps either. The list could go on indefinitely.

Everyone skirts around the real reason why sodomy is wrong because we're just as guilty. The ultimate reason is because God promised Abraham that he would have descendants as numerous as the stars, and anything that was an affront to that promise was sin. The list doesn't start with sodomy. It starts with sexual relations with your wife when she isn't ovulating, and extends to masturbation, oral sex, any form of birth control, artificial contraception, etc.

If we look at the fact that this was a promise to Israel alone, then we are off the hook for ALL deviant sexual behavior if we profess to not be joined to Israel as joint heirs. This is the profession of most Christians today.

Moreover, Paul points out that we are spiritual heirs, and not by physical descent at all. Therefore, we are better off never marrying at all which is exactly what Paul suggested, and that is not a problem for those who are in Christ. Being conformed to Christ necessarily means that we are able to handle whatever temptation we are faced with. Those who aren't will necessarily succumb to lust and must marry to deal with that problem.

Most people don't know that marriage was originally a means of learning how to be chaste. Most discover this the hard way.