Should women teach the bible?

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Why does Paul say he does not permit a woman to teach?
Women are not to assume -take or begin to have (power or responsibility)authority over men. Not that they cannot teach upon those matters of faith . For there is neither Jew nor gentile man or woman but all is the spirit of Christ. But concerning vessel in strength -a man is to be the head not the woman. I agree with that but, that means in appearance of authority in teaching, not that she cannot teach. Concerning the assembly in which a man is a priest in Christ over , a presbyter ,that is a man's role.A woman is not over a man, concerning her husband. A presbyter is to be married but once . He is to remain in the role as teacher over and before the assembly and his household. That does not mean he cannot take his wife's advice at home in private and then share those truths. But she is not to ASSUME authority over him before the assembly. It is simply the pecking order, EVE from ADAM not Adam from EVE. Adam was made first ,man is to lead.
That does not mean a woman is subject to every and any man's authority either. Like here in this forum. A woman is subject to her husband not every other woman's husband or just any man. TRUTH IS TRUTH, whether spoken from a woman or not.
 
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One of the over-arching principles throughout the Bible, is the often explicit and unambiguous principle of man’s authority over woman. Beginning from the point of creation, and on through the institution of the Levitical priesthood, and the era of the Judges, Monarchy and Apostles, one is obligated to recognize the hierarchal precedence that man has over the woman. And the rare exceptions where a woman may have held authority for a brief time or offered instruction, does not by any means, justifiably constitute the rule.

But, it goes without saying, that this is not a relationship or hierarchy of oppression, abuse, or even superiority in competence and/or standing with God. For simply, as a child may be wiser than his parents, as a student may be more adept than his master, or as a civilian may be more upstanding than a police officer or the government, this does not give the one under another’s authority the right to challenge or usurp that hierarchy. And on the converse, the one holding the superior position is incumbently required to respect, nurture, instruct, protect, and to do all in the best interest of those under their responsibility. And in the case of governmental or familial relationships, the one in authority is obligated to give one’s life for those under their responsibility. Having authority is a responsibility, not a privilege or entitlement.

The following Biblical verses, although having various contexts and precepts, comprehensively address the relationship that is intended to exist between man and woman. Regardless of the specific circumstance of each pericope, one should begin to appreciate how scripture collectively, holds to the view of man’s hierarchal authority over women. In that, it would be extremely precarious for anyone to attempt to defy this over-arching theme, based on a few, implicit, isolated and exceptional verses.

Genesis 2:18, 23
2:18. The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." … 23. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, 'for she was taken out of man."

Genesis 3:16
16. To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

1 Timothy 2:11-14
2:11. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

1 Cor. 14:34-38
14:34. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. … for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 37. If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

1 Corinthians 11:3, 7-10, 16
11:3. Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. … 9. neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. 16. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice-- nor do the churches of God.

1 Peter 3:1-6
3:1. Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, … 5. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, 6. like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master.

Eph. 5:21-24
5: 22. Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Colossians 3:18
3:18. Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

Tit. 2:4-5
2:4. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5. to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

1 Tim. 3:2-12
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, … 8. Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere… 11. In the same way, their wives are to be women worthy of respect… 12. A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.

Tit. 1:6
1:6. An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient

Numbers 3:1-13
3:3. Those were the names of Aaron's sons, the anointed priests, who were ordained to serve as priests. 4. Nadab and Abihu, however, fell dead before the LORD when they made an offering with unauthorized fire before him in the Desert of Sinai. They had no sons; so only Eleazar and Ithamar served as priests during the lifetime of their father Aaron. … 9. Give the Levites to Aaron and his sons; they are the Israelites who are to be given wholly to him. 10. Appoint Aaron and his sons to serve as priests; anyone else who approaches the sanctuary must be put to death." 11. The LORD also said to Moses, 12. "I have taken the Levites from among the Israelites in place of the first male offspring of every Israelite woman. The Levites are mine


And, it utterly amazes me how the following verses are understood to believe that there is no more gender in God’s eyes??? If this were so, does that mean that a man may marry and sleep with another man, since God does not see them as men anymore, …but just androgynous? Clearly the passage and entire context, starting from chapter two, is denouncing the Judaizers, and defining what the eligibility for salvation is. That is, circumcision, race, status, vocation, gender, age, size, wealth, pedigree has absolutely no bearing on one’s standing with God towards redemption.

Galations 3:11, 13, 25-29
11. Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." 13. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." 25. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. 26. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27. for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Love those verses and agree! Now men need to step up , because clearly women in the modern age have left their roles and men have been put underfoot like Adam and allow women to lead them around by the nose.
 
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If a woman is righteous then a man is enhanced by his partner
Proverbs 12:4
A wife of noble character is her husband's crown, but she who causes shame is like decay in his bones.

Proverbs 19:14
Houses and wealth are inherited from fathers, but a prudent wife is from the LORD.

Proverbs 31:10
Who can find a wife of noble character? She is far more precious than rubies.
Proverbs 12:4
A virtuous woman is a crown to her husband: but she that maketh ashamed is as rottenness in his bones.
 

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Do you agree or disagree that the Bible says "I do not permit a woman to teach" or to have authority over a man?
But if the woman is co equal with the man, does it matter? Didn't Adam and Eve co exist together?. Sometimes it takes two to make a thing go right ..lol jk besides Paul probably meant that in a deeper way or he was slightly persecuting the church who is co equal with Jesus since he was a very
fervant servant of Christ. Etc. Does it matter at all if the people are being saved and led to God? Why do you expect the power of God to come in some specific way? Do you think the Lord is prejudice and bais? The bible says his
our ways are not his ways, neither are his thoughts are our thoughts for they are higher then ours. Why based some little quote Paul said on the entire plan of God for mankind? Don't you think that's kinda silly to cherry pick a scripture to prove it false when in reality it's just you relying on some random thing Paul said and not the entire picture and Revelations of God. That's like picking with a seed on some salami and throwing it away because you didn't like the seed on it...c'mon..lol that's silly David...Paul could have meant anything...
 
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If a woman is righteous then a man is enhanced by his partner
Proverbs 12:4
A wife of noble character is her husband's crown, but she who causes shame is like decay in his bones.

Proverbs 19:14
Houses and wealth are inherited from fathers, but a prudent wife is from the LORD.

Proverbs 31:10
Who can find a wife of noble character? She is far more precious than rubies.
Proverbs 12:4
A virtuous woman is a crown to her husband: but she that maketh ashamed is as rottenness in his bones.
Do you know your post is not absolute? You have three scriptures describing the virtuous woman and one condemning unrelevant. Your post isn't genuine at all cause you used Proverbs 12:4 and contradicted your whole post response...and you wonder why it's hard to find a good wife...
 
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There are times when a woman needs to shake loose the fetters of a foolish husband and secretly appeal to the Lord against her husbands will. A foolish man can not appreciate a God fearing woman , one who is prudent and does all she can for the Lord.

Some women are "Abigails" -have both beauty and brains.
Abigail
Abigail
The Woman With Beauty and Brains
Scripture References1 Samuel 25:1-42; 2 Samuel 3:3

Name Meaning—Father of Joy, or Cause of Joy

She is the joy of the Father. She will forego the norm to preserve the truth and to prevent wrath. Abigails contend with foolish husbands unfortunately "Nabals" are head strong and cannot appreciate the gift at their sides. But like David saw Abigail's wisdom ,Christ takes notice of such wives. He takes them as His own spiritually speaking .

Sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. Women sometimes need to jump start men because they have become like fools.
As a Hebrew woman Abigail was restricted by the customs of her time to give counsel only in an emergency and in the hour of greatest need. Abigail, who had risked the displeasure of her husband whose life was threatened, did not act impulsively in going to David to plead for mercy. Many times this is what women must do. Go directly to the king for intercession, and plead upon his mercies.

Abigail followed the dictates of her disciplined will, and speaking at the opportune moment her beautiful appeal from beautiful lips, speaking her wisdom in faith, captivated the heart of David. She quelled Davids wrath and appealed to David's heart.The effect of our words can move mountains. The intervention of Abigail (breaking the social norms and this even transcends to a religious community) in the nick of time, teaches us that when we have wisdom to impart, faith to share, and help to offer, we must not hesitate to take any risk that may be involved. I believe we are at such a crucial time. I know I am in my life. Denominations are running amuck, habits in the" traditions 'of men have taken over all. When doctrinal fools preach nothing but heresy , and men feel they supersede the KING of kings it is a time for Abigail. It is happening in households and assemblies fools speaking nonsense against the King. But because of Abigails breaking the barriers on behalf of, NOT causing lose but to appeal for hopeful gain, help in preserving Life!

But we know in reading Abigail's story , her husband dies, and she is taken in Marriage by the KING! God intervened on her behalf. This is what will happen to denomination's foolish doctrinal father's teachings, they will perish, and will not stand the Test of Time. This also goes for all the foolish husbands of righteous women in actual and literal terms too.
 

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But if the woman is co equal with the man, does it matter?
What makes you think woman is co-equal?

Didn't Adam and Eve co exist together?.
Co-exist and co-equal do not mean the same thing.

Paul probably meant that in a deeper way or he was slightly persecuting the church who is co equal with Jesus.
So the Word of God is persecuting the church? That makes no sense. I take it you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God?

Why based some little quote Paul said on the entire plan of God for mankind?
I'm not. Throughout all of Scripture the design is for men to be over women.

Don't you think that's kinda silly to cherry pick a scripture to prove it false when in reality it's just you relying on some random thing Paul said and not the entire picture and Revelations of God.
See above.
 

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What makes you think woman is co-equal?

Co-exist and co-equal do not mean the same thing.

So the Word of God is persecuting the church? That makes no sense. I take it you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God?

I'm not. Throughout all of Scripture the design is for men to be over women.

See above.
No but co existing together and being co equal together makes them equal in whole. Yes I believe the word of God but Paul 'boasted' about a lot of things in the bible so why wouldn't he persecute the church with the higher calling but I'm sure he meant well knowing Paul's character. Well why can't Jesus lead his church? Huh. If he goes before us and all things why wouldn't he lead his church before her?
 

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No but co existing together and being co equal together makes them equal in whole.
Where do you get that from Scripture?

Yes I believe the word of God but Paul 'boasted' about a lot of things in the bible so why wouldn't he persecute the church with the higher calling but I'm sure he meant well knowing Paul's character.
You contradicted yourself in this sentence. You either believe the Bible or you don't, you can't pick and choose.

Well why can't Jesus lead his church?
Who said otherwise?
 

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Why does Paul say he does not permit a woman to teach?

Maybe because in 'Ephesus' the woman were out of control and he had to keep peace in that particular Church. Back then, the women were not as a rule taught anything, by men or anybody else. I'm sure they all had questions. The bible does not always mean what is "says" but it always "means' what it means'...do you EVER consider the culture? And, why does everyone think that every word Paul spoke was to us, 2000 years later? And, I don't see Paul saying these things to the other Church's.
Author, audience, tradition?
I don't get it from scripture..you don't have to get all things from the bible alone to understand something..View attachment 8212

"The two become one.." kinda seems pretty co-equal to me.
 

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Do you know your post is not absolute? You have three scriptures describing the virtuous woman and one condemning unrelevant. Your post isn't genuine at all cause you used Proverbs 12:4 and contradicted your whole post response...and you wonder why it's hard to find a good wife...
What ? There is not one condemning a virtuous wife but rather comparing two different types:
Proverbs 12:4
A wife of noble character is her husband's crown (First TYPE), but she who causes shame is like decay in his bones (Second TYPE) Two types of women.Clearly you have a problem with our God given roles. You are actually offended by God not me. I am the first type- in reference to my husband.
I posted nothing not absolute. The irrelevant one is simply the part you do not want to hear. Clearly , you have a problem with being a woman.
 

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What ? There is not one condemning a virtuous wife but rather comparing two different types:
Proverbs 12:4
A wife of noble character is her husband's crown (First TYPE), but she who causes shame is like decay in his bones (Second TYPE) Two types of women.Clearly you have a problem with our God given roles. You are actually offended by God not me. I am the first type- in reference to my husband.
I posted nothing not absolute. The irrelevant one is simply the part you do not want to hear. Clearly , you have a problem with being a woman.
I'm not married. I never had a boyfriend. And I know it's not what I want to hear which is why you posted that...
 

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Maybe because in 'Ephesus' the woman were out of control and he had to keep peace in that particular Church. Back then, the women were not as a rule taught anything, by men or anybody else. I'm sure they all had questions. The bible does not always mean what is "says" but it always "means' what it means'...do you EVER consider the culture? And, why does everyone think that every word Paul spoke was to us, 2000 years later? And, I don't see Paul saying these things to the other Church's.
Author, audience, tradition?


"The two become one.." kinda seems pretty co-equal to me.
Of course I consider culture. But this was not a cultural issue. After all, what does Paul say immediately after this verse? He talks about it was Eve who was deceived and sinned first. And Paul did not write that to a specific church, he wrote it to Timothy to teach him doctrine of ministry and Christian living. It's not cultural. Women are not permitted to be over men or to teach men. Period. You can't twist that to mean anything else.
 

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Which is why you are in serious error.
No I'm not ..how am I in error if the bible pertains to life...you don't think the Lord could be found anywhere else...the Lord doesn't just have to be found inside his words..you can find him anywhere in creation. You can hear his voice in the wind, see his smile through the sun and tears through the rain.. you can hear his anger in a thunder or see the work of his hands in lightning...etc. c'mon...if you seek him with all your heart..he's not hard to find...
 
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Oh Boya! yet you quote scripture..... All scripture is God breathed . What is the breath of God? It is the Holy Spirit.

John 20:21
Jesus Appears to the Disciples
…21Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.”…

2 Timothy 3:
All Scripture is God-Breathed
…15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…

Are you saying a different Spirit worked when the the scriptures were penned? REALLY?
2 Peter 1:21
Eyewitnesses of His Majesty
…20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation. 21For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

I do not know what you have been drinking or eating for that matter but you are not healthy concerning your beliefs. All scripture is one with God .
Really yet we have a whole topic discussing why it is wrong. You do know the the Koran is scripture, is that from God too... Soo much ignorance.
 

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Of course I consider culture. But this was not a cultural issue. After all, what does Paul say immediately after this verse? He talks about it was Eve who was deceived and sinned first. And Paul did not write that to a specific church, he wrote it to Timothy to teach him doctrine of ministry and Christian living. It's not cultural. Women are not permitted to be over men or to teach men. Period. You can't twist that to mean anything else.
Well instead of continuing to debate with us about it, why don't you go tell God that then..since God is the only one who knows the truth... because nobody knows but God...
 
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I'm not married. I never had a boyfriend. And I know it's not what I want to hear which is why you posted that...
What are you talking about? What don't you want to hear? You took issue with scriptures. If you do not like them then maybe you should not correspond in a Christian forum that has people who uphold , accept and believe what scripture says. As I said you have a problem with being a woman. I did not say I know what that problem is. As for me posting what you do not like, you did not coin Christianity . Just saying. I am entitled to share the Good News. You are not forced to accept it.
 
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