Blockers..

[mjrhealth]

Probably this is why John 3:19 so they do what they do in this verse John 5:39 to justify themselves. Even though Jesus words is spirit and life they study the scriptures to find life in them or to prove they are saved...even Jesus said so in the above verse man dont go to him because they are afraid thier sins will be revealed and that they love thier evil deeds more then doing good, doing the Lords way...its something about the Lords way that is so pure people reject it.. i dont know exactly why but it seems to me people may just be comfortable with thier sinful lifestyle etc. That they would hate to live a life of purity..but thats what it seems like some people just love that kinda life so they dont go to Jesus to learn of his way... because maybe they love that kinda life more...that sinful life...i know there is people who are willing to change but i truly believe people would rather be at a nightclub then in thier bible or live that godly lifestyle.. you know that quiet life...and they probably dont go to Jesus because they are ashame of thier sins but we cant hide from the Lord he already sees the sins in our hearts and life so its best to deny ourselves and go to Jesus so he can fix us up for eternity... To deny ourselves means we are professing Jesus to be true and right and that we are wrong and in need of the Lords help...to deny ourselves is to prove all things the Lord says is true and that we are indeed sinners in dire need of a savior..its iije sitting in court confessing you are guilty, you did commit the crime..lol so they go to the bible first to seek thier eternal life...i think the whole darn world is guilty especially if they are not abiding in Christ...no one can be saved without ever going to Jesus first cause thats how we receive eternal like through the power of God's son, the holy Spirit, like in the trinity only the spirit can connect us to God, not the scriptures or our knowledge alone, nor through man, man cant even save themselves, how can they save us...only the Lord can do that...etc thats why most people probably dont deny themselves cause they are saying they dont need Jesus they can do it alone cause they think thier ways are right when in reality they are either blind or just dont care, they dont want to be under authority of anyone, they want to feel superior in thier own ways, they want to do things thier way cause they like thier ways and it seems right to them but we cant justify ourselves without receiving that righteousness only Jesus can put on us and confessing our sins and that we are wrong and is guilty.. that we need saving through Jesus..and that Jesus is right..we are all filthy rags and need eternal life and correction from Jesus...you know what we do when we dont deny ourselves and confess our sins, we are saying that the Lord is a liar and that we dont need God....lol its true ..you may call me crazy now but the truth is clear... people ignore the Lord cause they love thier life and deeds more.. they hate the Lords ways...etc John 3:16

Well said, eyes to see, may God bless and strengthen you.

 

[Jenniferdiana3637]

Well said, eyes to see, may God bless and strengthen you.

Yeah..well i need a lot of correction myself ..either way i already knew that haha i saw it on and off for years...its nothing new...nothing i havent seen before...

 

[mjrhealth]

Yeah..well i need a lot of correction myself ..either way i already knew that haha i saw it on and off for years...its nothing new...nothing i havent seen before...

Seems you already know Him, Just talking to my friend Pia,. this year is 2020, thats perfect vision, this is what He has to offer. God bless.

 

[Jenniferdiana3637]

Seems you already know Him, Just talking to my friend Pia,. this year is 2020, thats perfect vision, this is what He has to offer. God bless.

2020 is just a number no matter the year the days keep moving and life goes on..no one ever crosses a new path until he receives a new life in Jesus..nothing ever changes until we find Christ and be set free from his truths etc

 

[reformed1689]

You don't have verify it.

Of course you have to verify it.

You don't need to give any credence to someone who say he has a new message from God.

Of course you do. Scripture says to test the prophets.

Is it possible that while your belief held without doubt may be acceptable to God, that another man, me for example, his belief held also without doubt could also be acceptable to God?

No actually. God has the same message delivered once for all. So is it possible for us to believe different things? Yes. Is it possible for both of us to be correct? No. There is only one correct interpretation of Scripture. So here are the choices. I am right, you are right, or neither of us are right.

Is it not possible that in spite of differences such as yours and mine we two might live and believe in Him and never die?

This is a slightly different subject.

 

[Willie T]

Not true. We should not confuse the letters within the book of Revelation with the book itself. And *scroll* would be more accurate. But Jesus, the angel who spoke with John, and John himself all identified Revelation as a BOOK in the last chapter.

THE WORDS OF CHRIST
7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book...

THE WORDS OF THE ANGEL
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand...

THE WORDS OF JOHN HIMSELF
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

As I quite clearly said in the "book" I just wrote (or was that a POST? Oh, just pretend it was a "book". That carries more weight.), I think we may just find out one day that the words you just quoted were not the same words John wrote in his LETTER to those seven churches. that the changing of many parts of the original Biblical documents, in order to reflect the doctrines and beliefs of subsequent translators, has already been shown to have happened on numerous occasions.

 

[reformed1689]

But as long as s you insist ion denying them all you are is.

I have not denied the Trinity.

It is Jesus, whom you are leaving out He is teh truth.

I am not leaving out Christ. That is a horrible accusation.

Quote scripture all you like, teh devil does that often. proves nothing.

It does prove something is someone is speaking directly against Scripture.

 

[reformed1689]

believe it or not what is translated as "Scripture" to us now is not what Scripture meant back then;

Proof?

Paul said All Writings are good for... and even makes many references to extra-Biblical Works? Somethingsomething graphe gramme...
γραφω | Abarim Publications Theological Dictionary (New Testament Greek) γραμμα bout halfway down the pg
list of Paul's extra-Biblical refs,
paul's extra-biblical references in the bible verse at DuckDuckGo

The link you provided about "All writings" is just an ignorant use of the Greek language when compared with other Scriptures. Paul wouldn't have even argued that all writings are God breathed, that is just an idiotic approach to biblical interpretation.

 

[reformed1689]

It's ok..lol it's not really new..I've been telling people about my testimony since I was in my early 20s and they all rejected my testimony...it's ok I'm not worried about cause it's not new..just a revelation beginning to open of me..so I don't really care cause even though it's new to you it's very old news to me...

If it was in the last 1900 years, it's new.

 

[Willie T]

Enoch111,
If we all have to believe any part of the Bible means only ONE thing, why are some of us "going into all the world" (actually traveling to the deepest, darkest parts of Africa, for instance) and others of us are sitting at home, playing on a computer? The Bible never said to just "support someone else". It said to go, ourselves.... even told what to take with us and how to react to the people we found out there in those countries.

 

[reformed1689]

Enoch111,
If we all have to believe any part of the Bible means only ONE thing, why are some of us "going into all the world" (actually traveling to the deepest, darkest parts of Africa, for instance) and others of us are sitting at home, playing on a computer? The Bible never said to just "support someone else". It said to go, ourselves.... even told what to take with us and how to react to the people we found out there in those countries.

This is nonsense and ignores what actually happened as the original audience understood this command. All passages only have one correct interpretation, many applications.

 

[Willie T]

This is nonsense and ignores what actually happened as the original audience understood this command. All passages only have one correct interpretation, many applications.

Exactly! We have no business limiting the understanding of Scriptural interpretation to only what we, or our esoteric group, has determined it HAS to be.

 

[Giuliano]

Yes He can. But it’s through the Bible. Faith comes from the word, per Romans 10:17.

The verse actually says "hearing" not "reading."

 

[Willie T]

I think many people are mistaking the explanation of how our Faith grows and strengthens over time, by the repeated inculcation of Scriptural concepts, with the INITIAL decision to trust God and follow Him. Many people have started their journey with God, having never even read one single word of the Bible.

 

[Jenniferdiana3637]

Of course you have to verify it.


Of course you do. Scripture says to test the prophets.

No actually. God has the same message delivered once for all. So is it possible for us to believe different things? Yes. Is it possible for both of us to be correct? No. There is only one correct interpretation of Scripture. So here are the choices. I am right, you are right, or neither of us are right.

This is a slightly different subject.

There is no way to verify anything unless the Lord told you personally so what if he did tell me huh? Why would he need to verify it to you if it does not concern you or your life?...etc but just because he told me first dont mean he wont reveal it to the world later, he usually does these things in his own appointed times....if the Lord wanted his mysteries know why would he just tell certain people, he might as well tell the whole world but you're not making sense, why would the Lord reveal anything to anyone if its none of thier concern..that doesn't make sense...

 

[reformed1689]

Exactly! We have no business limiting the understanding of Scriptural interpretation to only what we, or our esoteric group, has determined it HAS to be.

No, I believe we CAN and DO know the correct interpretations of Scripture. Application doesn't cancel out the actual meaning. Application must fall in line with the meaning.

 

[reformed1689]

There is no way to verify anything unless the Lord told you personally so what if he did tell me huh? Why would he need to verify it to you if it does not concern you or your life?...etc but just because he told me first dont mean he wont reveal it to the world later, he usually does these things in his own appointed times....if the Lord wanted his mysteries know why would he just tell certain people, he might as well tell the whole world but you're not making sense, why would the Lord reveal anything to anyone if its none of thier concern..that doesn't make sense...

Because if you are claiming to receive special messages from God that would make you a prophet and we are to test the prophets. Did you know if a prophet turns out to be false they were to be killed in Scripture? See Deuteronomy 18.

So yes, it is absolutely necessary to verify what someone is saying that they are getting directly from God outside of Scripture.

 

[Willie T]

No, I believe we CAN and DO know the correct interpretations of Scripture. Application doesn't cancel out the actual meaning. Application must fall in line with the meaning.

Boy, you are sure trying hard not to admit that Scripture can mean different things to different people. Even when you SAY it, you want to deny you said it, yourself.

 

[bbyrd009]

Proof?

ah, wadr i am not trying to prove anything, nor change your mind if you are not so inclined ok. Proof is for lawyers, and those who seek facts and other satanic imaginary and deceptive things, imo. Re David Byrne on "facts" if you like. So you might just ignore all of the data and post some blind rebuttal that makes you feel better for a second,

The link you provided about "All writings" is just an ignorant use of the Greek language when compared with other Scriptures. Paul wouldn't have even argued that all writings are God breathed, that is just an idiotic approach to biblical interpretation.

ya, pretty much like that, but really Paul did in fact Quote many, many extra-Biblical sources, and fwiw i even forgive you for the cognitive dissonance here ok, i understand.

Now, how is "writings" an ignorant use of Greek, again? You make the accusation, but you do not elaborate there. "When compared with other Scriptures" ok then pls do so, maybe you are right, i do not know, ok.

But my current position is that Paul argued exactly that, and for very good reasons even if i dont exactly line up with the guy i quoted, which are mostly irrelevant to this discussion bc they are strickly my beliefs, iow mostly crap that ill likely change my mind about next year anyway, but anyway what we deem "fiction" (pulp) did not exist back then, simply bc Writing, Anything, was a more or less "spiritual" undertaking then, that commoners such as us would get killed for attempting to undertake, via either reading or writing.

All "writings" were "holy" iow. goes the theory. which you are sure welcome to disagree with, ok, fine with me bro, wont change the truth anyway, Bible still not ever gonna be the Word anyway, you will not ever be able to Quote that anyway, and etc. You can only fool yourself in the end, eh

 

[reformed1689]

Boy, you are sure trying hard not to admit that Scripture can mean different things to different people. Even when you SAY it, you want to deny you said it, yourself.

No, Scripture cannot mean different things to different people. That's nonsense.