Let's talk Vaccines, from a medical, scientific, historical, ethical and theological perspective.

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Windmillcharge

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If enough people have a bad enough reaction, that particular medicine or vaccine needs to be recalled. (That is not an indictment against vaccines, generally.)
That is a separete argument and should be in another thread.

Imagine you are responsible for a population of several million and you have to choose between a process that ensures the safety of 95% of the population or not using that process and put 30% of the population at risk.

It shouldn't be like this but that is how it is.
 

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In war, commanders expect a percentage of casualties by human error
and/or friendly fire; and those kinds of casualties are usually factored in as
acceptable losses. But it isn't wise to turn off a war off just because
somebody might get hurt by friendly fire. Accidents happen; even under
ideal conditions.

The same can be said for the war against disease. Just because a percentage
of people have bad reactions to vaccines is no excuse to ban their
application to everybody else. The good of a few is trumped by the greater
good of the many.
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What is your point??? I had life insurance all the time my family were dependent on me, but I never died. Did I not need it? Should I have gambled on my family's future and not taken it out?
The Hand of God is mighty to save and strong to deliver and loving to supply provision, there is none other!

The proprietors of life insurance policies employ algorythms to determine statistical probabilities for people's lifespans; in other words, life insurance policies are a form of gambling. Does your church permit gambling?

The Word of God is decisively clear about the Hand of God's provision to we children of God. Here are just a few accounts explaining this:

Have you not read the Word of God "Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you" of which the Israelites called manna AND God blesses us believers with daily bread (16:1-36), Matthew 6:11, John 6:30-35)?

Have you not read of the Rechabites who obeyed their father who commanded his offspring NOT drink wine, NOT build houses, NOT sow seed NOT plant a vineyard NOT own a vineyard, AND God blessed the Rechabites (Jeremiah 35:1-19)? Behold the dependence on God by the Rechabites.

Have you not read that Lord Jesus had nowhere to rest His Head (Matthew 8:20)? The Power of God!

Have you not read events around as well as the parable of a rich man whose land was very productive (Luke 12:13-34)? The very first sentence of the passage is "Someone in the crowd said to Him, 'Teacher, tell my brother to divide the [family] inheritance with me.'" Life insurance is tightly bound to inheritance for both have beneficiaries. Lord Jesus responded with a scary rebuke!

The parable Jesus told is this, "The land of a rich man was very productive. And he began reasoning to himself, saying, 'What shall I do, since I have no place to store my crops?' Then he said, 'This is what I will do: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, "Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years [to come]; take your ease, eat, drink [and] be merry."' But God said to him, 'You fool! This [very] night your soul is required of you; and [now] who will own what you have prepared?'".

But, the Son of God expanded further about our Father providing for us believers day-in and day-out in the passage, and near the end, He states "where your treasure is, there your heart will be also".

We do not find man-made precepts such as life insurance policies nor retirement plans as positive things in scripture, not even as concepts; on the contrary, we do find life in God as positive in scripture.

Returning to the point of the thread which is about vaccinations.

We know "the life of the flesh is in the blood" (Leviticus 17:11), and Jesus Christ said "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood" (Luke 22:20).

In order to create serums/antitoxins, pharmacuetical companies process blood.

Have you not read that horses are poisoned with diphtheria, for example, and as the horses blood gets pumped through the horse by the horse's heart to be processed within the horse as a living factory for serum. Eventually, the serum is extracted from the beast. Then the blood/serum along with any adjuvants, for example like aluminum salts or mercury (pharmakeia), are used by doctors/physicians in practice, yet by what the Book of Revelation terms as sorcerers (pharmakos, poisoner), to inject into children. Aluminum is toxic! Mercury is toxic! Toxic indicates poison. The serum/antitoxin contains toxic properties.

God is strongly displeased with the mixing of man with animals for God says "you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion" (Leviticus 18:23). Doctors mix the blood of man and animal.

I cannot find scriptural support for use of POISON to innoculate children.

I decisively state that there are appropriate forms of physical treatments performed by doctors/physicians; nonetheless, I draw a narrow focus on vaccinations.

What scriptural support do you propose for the injection of various chemicals and agents with toxic properties into children?
 
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Post No.64 is a prime example of how religious fanaticism endangers the
lives of innocents.
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In war, commanders expect a percentage of casualties by human error
and/or friendly fire; and those kinds of casualties are usually factored in as
acceptable losses. But it isn't wise to turn off a war off just because
somebody might get hurt by friendly fire. Accidents happen; even under
ideal conditions.

The same can be said for the war against disease. Just because a percentage
of people have bad reactions to vaccines is no excuse to ban their
application to everybody else. The good of a few is trumped by the greater
good of the many.
Patients aren't combatants. They are collaterals. Continued collateral damage is unacceptable.
Just because a percentage
of people have bad reactions to vaccines is no excuse to ban their
application to everybody else.
I have not proposed their ban, just the grounds for their selective application.
 
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Post No.64 is a prime example of how religious fanaticism endangers the
lives of innocents.
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In our lifetimes, I doubt we have encountered many who really loved God fanatically. If 80% [supposed % of Christians in USA] of our nation's population really loved God, I doubt that topic such of this would come up. A question we might ask seriously [not expecting a real answer] could be, "How many of the decision makers for the manufacture distribution/sales usage of vaccines really do love of money more than the kingdom of God and the righteousness of God?"
 

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"How many of the decision makers for the manufacture distribution/sales usage of vaccines really do love of money more than the kingdom of God and the righteousness of God?"
I don't see why that question would apply to vaccine more than pharmaceuticals, generally. And probably other products, as well. Pharmaceuticals have built-in demand. For those products that don't have built-in demand, demand for them must be fabricated...
Ya Got Trouble
Mass-teria...!​
 

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I don't see why that question would apply to vaccine more than pharmaceuticals, generally. And probably other products, as well. Pharmaceuticals have built-in demand. For those products that don't have built-in demand, demand for them must be fabricated...
Ya Got Trouble
Mass-teria...!​
You are right about corporations creating demand....
 

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I don't see why that question would apply to vaccine more than pharmaceuticals, generally. And probably other products, as well. Pharmaceuticals have built-in demand. For those products that don't have built-in demand, demand for them must be fabricated...
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I agree that it would apply to pharmaceuticals and other products and the whole medical industry [if you can call it an industry]. Those with money quite frequently work hard to make more money. It is not that there are not sincerely honest and caring people working there... There are, but the good ones cannot control it... even if they understood that it needed to be controlled. Good medical practices may exist, but too often they has gone the way of good sportsmanship in sports for some of the same reasons.
 
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Patients aren't combatants. They are collaterals. Continued collateral damage is unacceptable.

I have not proposed their ban, just the grounds for their selective application.
It's a pity if innocent patients are regarded in Pentagon / CIA terms as 'collateral damage'...
 

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It's a pity if innocent patients are regarded in Pentagon / CIA terms as 'collateral damage'...
Changes in technology, including medicine, are going to put "early-adopters" at a certain amount of risk, but, once problems are identified, we expect such to be withdrawn, not left in place. The latter is negligence that society ends up paying for.
 

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Changes in technology, including medicine, are going to put "early-adopters" at a certain amount of risk, but, once problems are identified, we expect such to be withdrawn, not left in place. The latter is negligence that society ends up paying for.
Just what if foreign policy negligence could be charged to the Pentagon /CIA when it all goes wrong, like with the marketing of defective products...