Let's talk Vaccines, from a medical, scientific, historical, ethical and theological perspective.

[Helen]

And therein lies the problem. It may have been true several decades back that vaccines were being used ethically. But not any more.

There is a sinister agenda behind today's vaccinations and it may be tied to the UN's Agenda 21 -- a nefarious plot by the Globalist Elites to control the world and its population. When you see the words *sustainable* and *sustainability* they are code words for control in the hands of a few for the destruction of many. The Climate Change Hoax and the abuse of vaccines are tied together.

Yes indeed my twin 'conspiracy friend' I agree.
You and I are a mixed bag, some things we totally agree upon, and some things , ...we just don't! :)

 

[reformed1689]

David ...
No you are not a "bad guy" ;)

But why must you always have 'an edge ' in your voice when you post?
This is just a discussion...and that is what Forums are for . :)

Come down a little from your high perch and get to know us all a bit...
you may like some of us ...
You say that this thread is "beyond stupid"....but in saying that, you are telling us all that we who are engaged in posting here are stupid for doing so!
Ouch!!

Bless you my friend .

No Helen, I did not say you or anyone else here is stupid. I said the discussion is stupid, and it is, there is a difference.

With regard to faith, God also gave us common sense. If I have a gunshot it is not faith to say "I'm not going to get medical treatment because God will heal me." That's lunacy.

 

[Sabertooth]

It may have been true several decades back that vaccines were being used ethically. But not any more.

Of the vaccines that I noted earlier, it wasn't their use that was unethical, but rather their means of production.

 

[Jay Ross]

The vaccination I received for a commonly acquired disease, came from a herd of cows I used to help milk. The dairy farmer had a couple of milking cows that had this disease and so I became inoculated against this disease naturally by drinking the milk while I was working at the dairy.

When It was realised that this disease could be vaccinated against by a simple injection, governments came on board because the cost to vaccinate was far cheaper than managing the disease in the countries population. It also gave the government a tax income benefit.

Now the dairy farmer knows that having some diseased cows within his herd, i.e. a very small percentage, means that the rest of his cows are resistant to the disease, and his livelihood is protected against loss from the disease. It does not mean that his herd from time to time will not be impacted by the disease, but the impact will be greatly reduced.

Now this vaccine was discovered through logical observation and the putting together of the rational behind why milk maids did not suffer to the same extent as the rest of the population with this disease.

Now I was lucky that I tested positively against this disease and consequently I was not left with a scare on my arm where the injection was normally given.

The sad thing is that cows with this disease were forcibly removed from the cow herds of the dairy farmers and as such the risk of the disease reappearing in the dairy herds has now increased.

There are many things we do to stop "germs" from causing sickness within our children, but the consequences are that when these "germs" do attack our children they can die from the very "germs" that we stop our children becoming inoculated against those very same germs because we stop our children building up their resistance to the "germs."

The vaccinations we give our children are given to build up the "herds" resistance to the many diseases that are prevalent within our living environment and if enough children have this resistance, then the disease is kept in check and we are not ravaged by the disease that we vaccinate against.

Now when the vaccinations levels drop to low levels within the population, then these disease can take hold again and cause many deaths within our various communities. In the recent past an island community suffered from a preventable disease because of the low vaccination levels within that community and the flying machines brought that particular disease to their island and the death rate was high on that island.

Yes, sometimes the vaccinations have unintended side effects on a few people/children who are vaccinated, but the greater good that comes from vaccinating people/children far outweighs this issue/problem.

The argument against vaccinations is an emotional one and centres on "Why should I suffer from the possible side effects of a vaccination so that everybody is protected through vaccinations that help to stop the disease from getting a hold within our various communities."

The statistical evidence shows that the overall benefits far outweigh the issues of possible side effect. If the issue of possible side effect rises, then the cause of why the side effects should be investigated and corrected.

Because of the emotional arguments given against vaccination, this discussion is biased against the gains resulting through the vaccinations, by the very small percentages of the possible side effects encountered.

The greater good for all is lost in the arguments presented.

Shalom

 

[ReChoired]

No Helen, I did not say you or anyone else here is stupid. I said the discussion is stupid, and it is, there is a difference.

With regard to faith, God also gave us common sense. If I have a gunshot it is not faith to say "I'm not going to get medical treatment because God will heal me." That's lunacy.

You are free to have your opinion about 'stupid', but please note that I disagree, and was the very reason in posting the OP.

I think the discussion is most intelligent, reasonable and worth considering in detail.

The OP is not arguing, at all, "I'm not going to get medical treatment because God will heal me."

That is a gross misrepresentation of the OP and premise. I even gave scriptural examples of when true medical doctors, like Jesus and Luke, etc are required.

What the OP is indicating, is that Vaccine theory, is not real medicinal practice, but a science falsely so called, a pharmakeia (a sorcery), a dangerous malpractice masquerading as healing, when it is in fact, destructive, the opposing force to healing.

For instance, the so called 'flu' shot. They are merely guessing (prognosticating, crystal ballin') at what 'flu' will be prevalent in any given year, and are most often wrong, and spread greater disease among the populace.

 

[reformed1689]

You are free to have your opinion about 'stupid', but please note that I disagree, and was the very reason in posting the OP.

I think the discussion is most intelligent, reasonable and worth considering in detail.

The OP is not arguing, at all, "I'm not going to get medical treatment because God will heal me."

That is a gross misrepresentation of the OP and premise. I even gave scriptural examples of when true medical doctors, like Jesus and Luke, etc are required.

What the OP is indicating, is that Vaccine theory, is not real medicinal practice, but a science falsely so called, a pharmakeia (a sorcery), a dangerous malpractice masquerading as healing, when it is in fact, destructive, the opposing force to healing.

For instance, the so called 'flu' shot. They are merely guessing (prognosticating, crystal ballin') at what 'flu' will be prevalent in any given year, and are most often wrong, and spread greater disease among the populace.

You literally just posted the same junk on Baptist Board.

 

[brakelite]

If I have a brain tumor and I need surgery, I'm not going to be worried about whether or not the surgeon is theologically correct. I just want to know my brain is not the first one he has worked on and that he has the ability to take care of my medical needs.

This whole thread is beyond stupid.

I think you need to back off a little. The writer of the OP is writing from the midst of a measles outbreak which has killed several dozen people. He didn't offer this information lightly. So no need for you to be so flippant... Take stock of where he is coming from... Watch that first video... It's a great testimony.

..didn't watch the video's ( as I usually don't anyway) ..because I already agreed with what you wrote. Good posts ...

 

[reformed1689]

Watch that first video... It's a great testimony.

Can't. Don't have access to YouTube.

 

[reformed1689]

The writer of the OP is writing from the midst of a measles outbreak which has killed several dozen people. He didn't offer this information lightly.

Where did you get that from. OP makes no mention of this.

 

[brakelite]

Where did you get that from. OP makes no mention of this.

There's more to that book than the cover. Of you got to understand the writer and came to know him a little better you would know he lives in Samoa and know the controversy and heartache the people of that small nation are going through. And perhaps you could ask, and answer, why do vaccinated people die from the diseases they are presumably immune to?

 

[ReChoired]

You literally just posted the same junk on Baptist Board.

I also posted it on several other forums (Theology, Religious) in response to the same allegations, which attempted to hijack the OP by straw-manning it.

 

[ReChoired]

Can't. Don't have access to YouTube.

That's OK, it will be up on Internet Archive, and other video sites soon.

You can take a look at some PDF material here - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

 

[reformed1689]

And perhaps you could ask, and answer, why do vaccinated people die from the diseases they are presumably immune to?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...0d9274-183a-11ea-9110-3b34ce1d92b1_story.html

 

[reformed1689]

That's OK, it will be up on Internet Archive, and other video sites soon.

You can take a look at some PDF material here - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

Honestly, I don't really care.

 

[ReChoired]

Honestly, I don't really care.

So, the other comment (in regards youtube) was merely masking the not caring?

You can now view the OP video Testimonial here (Internet Archive)- Vaccines - A Family Tragedy Testimonial (Bring Tissues) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

I also have the same caring for the terrible results of chemo-therapy, radiation therapies in the cancer field. I think those are also counter to health and restoration.

I know persons that received chemo, had to wear face masks so as not to poison other persons speaking with them, as the chemo is that poisonous. It kills the patient faster than the cancers, and if by reason of strength of fortitude of a previously healthy constitution that a person lives 5 years after, it is with other complications, usually ending in death. Some, very few, live a little longer.

What I see is a resistance to God's methods, and a reliance upon man's methods. They have forgotten their true healer:

Psa_146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.​

 

[aspen]

It is easy to sit back and refuse vaccines because we do not see the deadly diseases killing our neighbors and our children.

here is a baby with whooping cough

The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918

the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the people died - 50 million total.

here’s the thing about vaccines - they protect us all. Sure, you may believe you have a strong immune system and maybe you do, but how about the elderly man who lives next door? How about you after the bacteria mutates because it has been allowed to bounce around for months?

if not for yourself, get vaccinated for your community.

 

[ReChoired]

You literally just posted the same junk on Baptist Board.

Look, the theological cowards (get it, Vaca, Vaccines) at Baptist board remoooved it - Other Christian Denominations

 

[ReChoired]

It is easy to sit back and refuse vaccines because we do not see the deadly diseases killing our neighbors and our children.

here is a baby with whooping cough

The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918

the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the people died - 50 million total.

here’s the thing about vaccines - they protect us all. Sure, you may believe you have a strong immune system and maybe you do, but how about the elderly man who lives next door? How about you after the bacteria mutates because it has been allowed to bounce around for months?

if not for yourself, get vaccinated for your community.

Do you know what would cure that child? Vitamin C, orally and intraveineously. It will dry up the mucus, etc.

 

[reformed1689]

So, the other comment (in regards youtube) was merely masking the not caring?

No, I really don't have access to YouTube. But I would more readily watch a video then read through multiple PDF's based on faulty reasoning.

I also have the same caring for the terrible results of chemo-therapy, radiation therapies in the cancer field. I think those are also counter to health and restoration.

And unfortunately that's not based in reality.

What I see is a resistance to God's methods, and a reliance upon man's methods.

What does this even mean?

 

[reformed1689]

Look, the theological cowards (get it, Vaca, Vaccines) at Baptist board removed it - Other Christian Denominations

Well that is interesting. That must have just happened in the last hour.