The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

[BreadOfLife]

Yeah, good luck with that...because that is what you are doing.

Then REFUTE the evidence I presented in post #866 which shows she lied.

CAN you do that?

 

[BreadOfLife]

They found water.
You think folks in Jerusalem took sponge baths?

Where were 3000 people fully immersed in Jerusalem?

 

[Truther]

Where were 3000 people fully immersed in Jerusalem?

No, they had a misting machine.

Lol

 

[Truther]

Those poor half a million folks in Jerusalem never took baths according to the RCC.

 

[justbyfaith]

One GLARING example is when you accused me of “worshiping” the Pope – which is an abomination.

No, I did not specifically do that. What I said was that as long as you continue to worship a vicar as Christ, your soul is in mortal danger...and this was not to say specifically that you do in fact worship the Pope; but that, rather, if you are going to worship the Pope you are not going to make it to heaven.

And it is not beyond the realm of possibility, in my mind, that Catholics would worship the Pope. Because he is considered to be the physical representative of Christ on the earth. I wouldn't put it past Catholic theology, therefore, to say that worshipping the Pope is the same as worshipping Christ. When in all reality they would be worshiping the Antichrist (him who is in place of Christ).

You also defended @Truther several times – even after I exposed his lies.

That is a lie in itself...what I did was to call you out on your stinky attitude...

It had nothing to do with whether or not you were exposing lies told by him.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, they had a misting machine.

Lol

TRANSLATION:
"I'm stumped because I stuck my foot in my mouth."

That's what I thought . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

Isaiah 5:20 truly applies to YOU . . .

satan is the accuser of the brethren.

And also, you have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-6, Luke 6:41-42).

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, I did not specifically do that. What I said was that as long as you continue to worship a vicar as Christ, your soul is in mortal danger...and this was not to say specifically that you do in fact worship the Pope; but that, rather, if you are going to worship the Pope you are not going to make it to heaven.

And it is not beyond the realm of possibility, in my mind, that Catholics would worship the Pope. Because he is considered to be the physical representative of Christ on the earth. I wouldn't put it past Catholic theology, therefore, to say that worshipping the Pope is the same as worshipping Christ. When in all reality they would be worshiping the Antichrist (him who is in place of Christ).



That is a lie in itself...what I did was to call you out on your stinky attitude...

It had nothing to do with whether or not you were exposing lies told by him.

Nice try, but your posts speak for themselves.

Your accusation that I "worship" the Pope was blatant - not hypothetical.

 

[BreadOfLife]

satan is the accuser of the brethren.

And also, you have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-6, Luke 6:41-42).

But we're NOT brethren in Christ because you have invented a different Christ and a bogus version of the Trinity.

 

[user]

When He spoke of the “sound of the wind” he wasn’t necessarily speaking of an audible noise – like speaking in tongues. He is talking about how to differentiate a person who is of the Spirit and a person who is not in how they live their lives – NOT just tongues.

Jesus was talking about "Born Again" (of water and spirit). Go and read the context, He is showing the evidence.

As I already showed you – 1 Cor.12:28-31 specifically states that NOT everybody in the Church speaks in tongues. Paul is writing AGAINST your kind of thinking.

I explained this in post # 932, which it seems you have closed your eyes and stubbornly shook your head saying, "don't bother me with the facts, I have my mind made up." I am asking you to please review this evidence I have brought to you.

Besides, if EVERY one of the Protestant denomination was being led by the Spirit – WHY are there tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that ALL teach different doctrines yet ALL claim to be “led” by the Spirit?? Some doctrines are essentials and are as different as night and day.

God is not the Author of Confusion . . .

I agree with you here, all these denominations are NOT of God. Interestingly enough, the apostle Paul gave warning against any divisions in the church...

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


Regardless of Paul's concern, we now have THOUSANDS of denominations. Some of which are Lutheran (of Martin Luther the German monk who began the Protestant Reformation), some are Calvinists (of John Calvin), Baptists, Catholic and the list goes on.

Yes, there are THOUSANDS (literally) of religious denominations, organizations and autonomous congregations, many of whom use the same version of the Holy Bible, but teach contrary one to another.

GOD'S CHURCH WAS NOT ORDAINED TO BE THAT WAY!

Acts Chapter 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
(29) For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
(30) Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
(31) Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

There is only ONE TRUE CHURCH. And it was started by Jesus, Himself. Jesus is the ONLY name associated with it's founding, and it's inauguration. The TRUE Church's birth and inauguration is found documented in Acts Chapter 2. And it's original teachings and oldest history is found within the 28 Chapters of the New Testament Book of Acts (of the Apostles).

However, over the Centuries since then, there have been many who have risen up, and become the leader of a very distinct religious movement of their own. This is why there are THOUSANDS of denominations teaching and preaching something different than the TRUE Church of Acts.

What is the true church, and what should we be looking for?


The Five-Fold Ministry
Ephesians Chapter 4 (KJV)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:


The Fruit of the Spirit
Galatians Chapter 5 (KJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


The Gifts of the Spirit
1 Corinthians Chapter 12 (KJV)
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

1 Corinthians 12:28 (KJV)
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.


We see that God is the One who placed the above in His Church. And we're even told why He did. However, not everyone believes that. But, I've never met anyone who doesn't believe it who can provide Scripture(s) for when, where OR why God removes any of it from His Church. Granted, the churches of the wide gate and broad way do NOT embrace all of the above. However, the one true Church that Jesus established (the strait gate and narrow way) certainly does.

God Bless!

 

[justbyfaith]

Nice try, but your posts speak for themselves.

Your accusation that I "worship" the Pope was blatant - not hypothetical.

You happen to be in blatant disobedience to the following verse of holy scripture:

Luk 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

My posts do indeed speak for themselves.

I know that I set that out as a hypothetical and that you were always free to correct me as concerning whether it was true or not.

But to call me a liar over my not knowing your situation and feeling after what it might be is crossing the line, I'm sorry to say.

You need to apologize to me.

Your scripture that you always reference, saying that Catholic priests can remit and retain sins, applies to all who have the Holy Spirit...

Therefore, because I have the Holy Spirit, if you do not repent of this, I do not forgive you, and you are not forgiven by the Lord either.

 

[justbyfaith]

But we're NOT brethren in Christ because you have invented a different Christ and a bogus version of the Trinity.

Say that to Christ on your day of judgment.

You had better be sure that your version of the Trinity is correct, since you are making it a point of judgment.

Can you say that you understand it?

My version of it is completely based in holy scripture.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus was talking about "Born Again" (of water and spirit). Go and read the context, He is showing the evidence.

The context of being born of Water and Spirit is BAPTISM.
This is the teaching of the Early Church.

I explained this in post # 932, which it seems you have closed your eyes and stubbornly shook your head saying, "don't bother me with the facts, I have my mind made up." I am asking you to please review this evidence I have brought to you.

I agree with you here, all these denominations are NOT of God. Interestingly enough, the apostle Paul gave warning against any divisions in the church...

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Regardless of Paul's concern, we now have THOUSANDS of denominations. Some of which are Lutheran (of Martin Luther the German monk who began the Protestant Reformation), some are Calvinists (of John Calvin), Baptists, Catholic and the list goes on.

Yes, there are THOUSANDS (literally) of religious denominations, organizations and autonomous congregations, many of whom use the same version of the Holy Bible, but teach contrary one to another.

GOD'S CHURCH WAS NOT ORDAINED TO BE THAT WAY!

Acts Chapter 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
(29) For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
(30) Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
(31) Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

There is only ONE TRUE CHURCH. And it was started by Jesus, Himself. Jesus is the ONLY name associated with it's founding, and it's inauguration. The TRUE Church's birth and inauguration is found documented in Acts Chapter 2. And it's original teachings and oldest history is found within the 28 Chapters of the New Testament Book of Acts (of the Apostles).

However, over the Centuries since then, there have been many who have risen up, and become the leader of a very distinct religious movement of their own. This is why there are THOUSANDS of denominations teaching and preaching something different than the TRUE Church of Acts.

What is the true church, and what should we be looking for?


The Five-Fold Ministry
Ephesians Chapter 4 (KJV)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:


The Fruit of the Spirit
Galatians Chapter 5 (KJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


The Gifts of the Spirit
1 Corinthians Chapter 12 (KJV)
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

1 Corinthians 12:28 (KJV)
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

We see that God is the One who placed the above in His Church. And we're even told why He did. However, not everyone believes that. But, I've never met anyone who doesn't believe it who can provide Scripture(s) for when, where OR why God removes any of it from His Church. Granted, the churches of the wide gate and broad way do NOT embrace all of the above. However, the one true Church that Jesus established (the strait gate and narrow way) certainly does.

God Bless!

[/QUOTE]
The Catholic Church is not a “denomination”.
It is the Original Tree from which Protestantism splintered and created the endless splintering of denominations. The Catholic Church goes ALL the way back to the First century.

Not ONE single Protestant denomination goes back any further than the 16th century.
This is a fact of history that you cannot refute . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole EUCHARIST you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the CATHOLIC CHURCH (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 1070]).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Say that to Christ on your day of judgment.

You had better be sure that your version of the Trinity is correct, since you are making it a point of judgment.

Can you say that you understand it?

My version of it is completely based in holy scripture.

YOUR version of the Trinity is your own invention and NOT the Scriptural definition

 

[BreadOfLife]

You happen to be in blatant disobedience to the following verse of holy scripture:

Luk 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

My posts do indeed speak for themselves.

I know that I set that out as a hypothetical and that you were always free to correct me as concerning whether it was true or not.

But to call me a liar over my not knowing your situation and feeling after what it might be is crossing the line, I'm sorry to say.

You need to apologize to me.

Your scripture that you always reference, saying that Catholic priests can remit and retain sins, applies to all who have the Holy Spirit...

Therefore, because I have the Holy Spirit, if you do not repent of this, I do not forgive you, and you are not forgiven by the Lord either.

Jesus gave this power to the leaders of His Church on the night He rose from the dead - and NOT to the crowds.

And now YOU are guilty of usurping the ministerial priesthood spoken of in the Epistle of Jude where he compares people like YOU to the Rebellion of Korah and their subsequent punishment.

Good luck with that . .

 

[Illuminator]

Not per the KJV 400 years ago.

That form of English was a generic term.

A different lie or hateful remark with every post. Anti-Catholics of this variety are psychotic, not in reality. Discussion is impossible.

 

[justbyfaith]

YOUR version of the Trinity is your own invention and NOT the Scriptural definition

So you say...

Jesus gave this power to the leaders of His Church on the night He rose from the dead - and NOT to the crowds.

He gave this power to those to whom He also gave the Holy Spirit.

And now YOU are guilty of usurping the ministerial priesthood spoken of in the Epistle of Jude where he compares people like YOU to the Rebellion of Korah and their subsequent punishment.

Good luck with that . .

Praise the Lord!

Now, you are again in violation of Luke 6:37...shame on you!

A different lie or hateful remark with every post.

This is what I find coming from Catholic posters like @BreadOfLife.

 

[Illuminator]

Lol.

She was well know in the oneness churches and spoke in many of them.

I have had her 6 series tapes and known of her through church elders for decades.

Even elder Paul Price hosted her in Napa county in those days.

You are succumbing to RCC tricks.

The RCC sent hit men through her life attempting to shut her up, mostly by poison treats etc.

The convent was located in the southern U.S.(old Mexico)


This is a random account of this kind of place I found....


The Dark And Morbid Secrets Found In Most Colonial Nunneries

Yea, right. Written by María Isabel Carrasco Cara Chards, who writes historical FICTION and a whole lot of nonsense.
from the same web page:
Cultura Colectiva - A fresh spin of content for the modern lifestyle
Your bigotry and blind prejudice makes you a complete waste of time. bye bye.

 

[Illuminator]

So you say...
He gave this power to those to whom He also gave the Holy Spirit.
Praise the Lord!
Now, you are again in violation of Luke 6:37...shame on you!
This is what I find coming from Catholic posters like @BreadOfLife.

BoL doesn't LIE about your beliefs. If you dislike his particular style that much, put him on ignore and stop crying. One more thing...by supporting bigots like Truther, you become as sick as he is. He'll attack you next after enough people put him on ignore.

 

[BreadOfLife]

So you say...

No – so Christ’s Church has said for 2000 years.
YOUR man made view of the Trinity is a later perversion.

He gave this power to those to whom He also gave the Holy Spirit.

A little hermeneutical advice . . .
When Jesus addressed the crowds – He was addressing ALL of us.
When He gave instructions to His inner circle, He was instructing the LEADERS of His Church.

He breathed on THEM – not the crowds . . .

Praise the Lord!

Now, you are again in violation of Luke 6:37...shame on you!

No – I am following Matt. 7:15-20 . . .
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

This is what I find coming from Catholic posters like @BreadOfLife.

Then point to ONE lie I've told . . .