The New Covenant

[VictoryinJesus]

Amazingly everyone thinks this is referring to their “ good works”..
This is referring to children.

as “store up treasure in heaven” where man can not break in and steal nor moth can NOT consume. God raises up His children in Christ to sit in heavenly places, storing up (gathering)His treasure in Heaven. Same as the kingdom of God is likened to treasure hid in a field that when a man has found that treasure, he will go sell all he owns to purchase the field the treasure is in. What is the treasure and kingdom of God if not more and more children born of God.

 

[charity]

1 Corinthians 4:15 KJV
[15] For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Is Paul speaking to Israel here?

Hello again, @Waiting on him,

Paul is speaking to the believers at Corinth, many of whom were Jews, yes. He had figuratively 'begotten them' by the preaching of the gospel, for they had believed and received it to the saving of their souls, so were born from above.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Waiting on him]

Hello @Waiting on him,

No, indeed. See Ephesians 1:5:-

'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself,
according to the good pleasure of H will,
To the praise of the glory of his grace,
wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.'
(Ephesians 1:3-6)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Romans 9:4,6 KJV
[4] Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; [6] Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

We can go around in circles on this all day.
Tecarta Bible

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Hello @Waiting on him,

No, indeed. See Ephesians 1:5:-

'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself,
according to the good pleasure of H will,
To the praise of the glory of his grace,
wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.'
(Ephesians 1:3-6)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Lamentations 5:3 We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers are as widows.
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

“Adoption” orphans and the fatherless, and widows ... I’m sorry I’m still not seeing how much it is narrowed down when He said the outward man perishes (that which is corruptible is crucified with Christ) and the inward man in that which in incorruptible is renewed(strengthened) daily. Then God shows putting off the flesh of that outward man and putting on the New man. Then explains the difference in that outward Jew and the inward Jew...proclaiming it is Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [29] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
^one perishes “corruptible” whose praise is of men...and decreases as John said “I must decrease and He must increase.”

The outward Jew whose praise is in men (in that which is corruptible) must decrease so that, that inward Jew whose praise is not of men but of God (that which is incorruptible) must increase. Is Christ divided? In Christ there is neither Greek nor Jew, nor male or female but ONE spirit. That which is corruptible does not inherit the incorruptible ...yet all the focus is on the outward Jew whose praise is in men instead of one who is a Jew inward Whose praise is of God. The fatherless, orphans, and widows are brought into Him whose praise is of God and not men. Yet you keep saying still they have no where to go to be “adopted” into the family of God.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Hello fellow participants,

I think I have said all I can on this subject now, so will not be returning to it, unless something particularly challenging comes along.

Thank you for your time and patience.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

getting off this subject also. But want to say first your patience, restraint in the love of Christ, gentleness, love for Him is fully seen (imo). I’m not doubting you instead those who come with poison and cursing and totally condemn you as suggesting you should be ran off the forum for asking questions. I’m hoping you stay and continue in His patience and continue to bear good fruits of Charity which are more severely needed here than being right on and about everything. Do see I also could be severely wrong on the topic and am only alongside you in the question and seeing if mine on beliefs fall apart.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Hello @GerhardtEbersoehn,

With respect to you, the Bible contains several covenants which are 'everlasting' covenants. The New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant, which was made by God with Israel at Sinai, to deny this is to contend with the very Scriptures themselves, and rob it's wording in relation to this subject of any meaning whatsoever.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

SEVEN posts GONE after #100. Can you perhaps shed some light on this phenomenon?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Hello fellow participants,

I think I have said all I can on this subject now, so will not be returning to it, unless something particularly challenging comes along.

Thank you for your time and patience.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Wait! You still owe this thread participants an answer!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

getting off this subject also. But want to say first your patience, restraint in the love of Christ, gentleness, love for Him is fully seen (imo). I’m not doubting you instead those who come with poison and cursing and totally condemn you as suggesting you should be ran off the forum for asking questions. I’m hoping you stay and continue in His patience and continue to bear good fruits of Charity which are more severely needed here than being right on and about everything. Do see I also could be severely wrong on the topic and am only alongside you in the question and seeing if mine on beliefs fall apart.

<<being right on and about everything.>> You mean like here, disappeared post :
charity said: ↑

The church which is His (Christ's) body is, 'the fulness of Him that filleth all in all,

The New Covenant

With respect, Charity, Ephesians 1 speaks of "Christ given to the Church as Head", "20 HIM, God raised from the dead and set on His Own Right Hand ..

22c and HIM He gave as Head to the Church
[kai Auton edohken Kephalehn tehi Ekklehsiai]

23 WHICH (HEAD He gave) His Body (the Church) is
[HEHTIS] (Kephalehn edohken) To Sohma Autou (Ekklehsian) estin

THE ALL of the all in all things FULFILLING FULLNESS (OF GOD)."
to PLEHROHMA tou ta panta en pahsin PLEHROUMENOU (tou Theou).]

Not The Body, the Church, but The Head, the Given-as-Head-Christ, is "The Fullness".

--the post Charity refers to, here :

charity said: ↑

Hello @GerhardtEbersoehn,
With respect to you, the Bible contains several covenants which are 'everlasting' covenants. The New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant, which was made by God with Israel at Sinai, to deny this is to contend with the very Scriptures themselves, and rob it's wording in relation to this subject of any meaning whatsoever.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I was not quoting a verse of Scripture, but stating what is a Biblical fact, that the covenant with Israel, was made by God with Israel.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

HERE ARE YOUR, words, 'charity' that may cover too much at times... Q~The New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant, which was made by God with Israel at Sinai, ~Q I challenged you to supply Scripture for. To deny this is to lie twice without one blink at Scripture.

 

[Doug]

Hello there,

I have been reading through several threads, catching up on the weeks entries I have missed while my computer was under repair. The last one I read through, started by @marks:- Faithful and Just to Forgive . . . - brought to mind the subject of the New Covenant, which was brought into the discussion between @marks and @CharismaticLady.

I do not believe that the church which is the Body of Christ, being called out during this dispensation, is in a covenant relationship with God. For the new covenant, as with the old covenant will be made with Israel.

What are your thoughts concerning this?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Scripture identifies that the new covenant is made ONLY with the whole house of Israel in Jeremiah 31:31.
To make the church recipients of the new covenant is to wrongfully make the church Israel.
Let the Bible clearly say what it says.
You are right.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I think you should take this up with the author of the Scripture, for the Holy Spirit tells us that the Old Covenant made at Sinai, will be replaced by a New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31; Hebrews 8:8; Hebrews 8:13; Hebrews 12:24).

It cannot get more blatant or repetitive. <<the Holy Spirit tells us that the Old Covenant made at Sinai, will be replaced by a New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31; Hebrews 8:8; Hebrews 8:13; Hebrews 12:24)>>.
You have supplied the Scriptures. Now I am going to look in them for these words of yours: <the Old Covenant>, specifically for the word <Old> which YOU several times have said is the Covenant of God... so,
Jeremiah 31:31; No word 'old' in 31. But the covenant with Israel which they broke, is said in verse 32, to have been "MY--God's--Covenant".
Hebrews 8:8; No word 'old' in 8. "But finding fault with THEM..." "fault", not with God's Covenant whichever.
Hebrews 8:13; Here one can see the word 'old' but no word, 'covenant'. Instead there stands, "the first -- that which decays and grows old", which directly refers to and is identical with "the first tabernacle" (9:6) with its "service" or "mediation" or "dispensation" of tabernacle duties.
Hebrews 12:24 Again, no word 'old', but "Jesus the Mediator of the New (and Eternal) Covenant"

Then charity covers all her lies with claiming <<the Holy Spirit tells us .. God made the Old Covenant at Sinai>>. Which isn't nice of charity.

 

[Nancy]

This covenant your all disputing is a marriage agreement. If you wish to say your not a part of it, then I have no choice but to say...... okay

Not at all disputing the New Covenant...only saying that the marriage supper of The Lamb has not yet taken place...we have been chosen to be the bride, not said and done yet. And, betrothed would mean the same thing as "a marriage agreement"...engaged, if you will.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

whereas I cannot find it said concerning the Old Covenant, that it was 'everlasting'.

<<whereas>> you <cannot find> what I -- according to you -- by implication found, <<that it .. the Old Covenant, was 'everlasting'.>>

O man!

Do you say you are a Christian?!

 

[Waiting on him]

Not at all disputing the New Covenant...only saying that the marriage supper of The Lamb has not yet taken place...we have been chosen to be the bride, not said and done yet. And, betrothed would mean the same thing as "a marriage agreement"...engaged, if you will.

OK

 

[marks]

It cannot get more blatant or repetitive. <<the Holy Spirit tells us that the Old Covenant made at Sinai, will be replaced by a New Covenant

Your accusations that Chris is a liar are poorly placed in my opinion.

Then charity covers all her lies with claiming <<the Holy Spirit tells us .. God made the Old Covenant at Sinai>>. Which isn't nice of charity.

Hebrews 8 (YLT)
6 and now he hath obtained a more excellent service, how much also of a better covenant is he mediator, which on better promises hath been sanctioned,
7 for if that first were faultless, a place would not have been sought for a second. (first . . . what? First covenant is the context)
8 For finding fault, He saith to them, `Lo, days come, saith the Lord, and I will complete with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah, a new covenant,
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers, in the day of My taking [them] by their hand, to bring them out of the land of Egypt -- because they did not remain in My covenant, and I did not regard them, saith the Lord, --
10 because this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, after those days, saith the Lord, giving My laws into their mind, and upon their hearts I will write them, and I will be to them for a God, and they shall be to Me for a people;
11 and they shall not teach each his neighbour, and each his brother, saying, Know thou the Lord, because they shall all know Me from the small one of them unto the great one of them,
12 because I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawlessnesses I will remember no more;' --
13 in the saying `new,' He hath made the first old, and what doth become obsolete and is old [is] nigh disappearing.

Clearly two covenants, and in making a new, He makes the first old, obsolete, and soon (in that time) to disappear, and disappear it did with the destruction of the temple and diaspora of Israel.

Much love!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Your accusations that Chris is a liar are poorly placed in my opinion.

Hebrews 8 (YLT)
6 and now he hath obtained a more excellent service, how much also of a better covenant is he mediator, which on better promises hath been sanctioned,
7 for if that first were faultless, a place would not have been sought for a second. (first . . . what? First covenant is the context)
8 For finding fault, He saith to them, `Lo, days come, saith the Lord, and I will complete with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah, a new covenant,
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers, in the day of My taking [them] by their hand, to bring them out of the land of Egypt -- because they did not remain in My covenant, and I did not regard them, saith the Lord, --
10 because this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, after those days, saith the Lord, giving My laws into their mind, and upon their hearts I will write them, and I will be to them for a God, and they shall be to Me for a people;
11 and they shall not teach each his neighbour, and each his brother, saying, Know thou the Lord, because they shall all know Me from the small one of them unto the great one of them,
12 because I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawlessnesses I will remember no more;' --
13 in the saying `new,' He hath made the first old, and what doth become obsolete and is old [is] nigh disappearing.

Clearly two covenants, and in making a new, He makes the first old, obsolete, and soon (in that time) to disappear, and disappear it did with the destruction of the temple and diaspora of Israel.

Much love!

Not two 'covenants' but one Eternal New Covenant and one Old "DISPENSATION" or "tabernacle" or "priesthood" or whatever old finished kaput EARTHLY "order" MOSAIC "service", afterwards far worse bamboozled <old covenant> of the by now fully disappeared HUMAN and SINNERS', 'Jewish' covenant of lies and treason. Clearly not any Covenant God had sworn at any time.

This shows one of the most unfortunate, tragic MISTAKES IN TRANSLATION EVER -- using 'covenant' instead of / for, 100%, "ministration" or "dispensation" or "priestly order" of the old tabernacle or temple.

 

[marks]

Not two 'covenants' but one Eternal New Covenant and one Old "DISPENSATION" or "tabernacle" or "priesthood" or whatever old finished kaput EARTHLY "order" MOSAIC "service", afterwards far worse bamboozled <old covenant> of the by now fully disappeared HUMAN and SINNERS', 'Jewish' covenant of lies and treason. Clearly not any Covenant God had sworn at any time.

This shows one of the most unfortunate, tragic MISTAKES IN TRANSLATION EVER -- using 'covenant' instead of / for, 100%, "ministration" or "dispensation" or "priestly order" of the old tabernacle or temple.

It's really hard for me to understand what your point is through all the rhetoric.

Maybe if you point to the verse . . .

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Scripture identifies that the new covenant is made ONLY with the whole house of Israel in Jeremiah 31:31.
To make the church recipients of the new covenant is to wrongfully make the church Israel.
Let the Bible clearly say what it says.
You are right.

1 Peter 1:11-12 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. [12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you WITH the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

curious how you see the above^

 

[charity]

charity said: ↑
Hello fellow participants,

I think I have said all I can on this subject now, so will not be returning to it, unless something particularly challenging comes along.

Thank you for your time and patience.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hello there,

Looking in on the forum, at the reaction to my intention to leave the thread, I decided to delete the post (above) and respond to the responses received.

Thank you @VictoryinJesus for reply#165
Thank you @marks for reply#175
Thank you @Doug for reply#170

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Enoch111]

Looking in on the forum, at the reaction to my intention to leave the thread, I decided to delete the post (above) and respond to the responses received.

Well you are the one who opened a can of worms with this thread. So you should really be thanking those who showed you the errors of your Hyper-Dispensational beliefs. Why do people double-down on their errors instead of abandoning them?