My understanding is, Protestants are material heretics, not formal heretics.
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The Scriptures don't have the final say. The Church is the "pillar and foundation of the truth" (1Tim 3:15), not the Scriptures.
You've got it back-to-front ... the Scriptures came from the Church, the Church didn't come from the Scriptures.
Who says the NT is all we need for salvation?
The Catholic Catechism correctly interprets all the Scriptures you need for salvation. The faithful are not required to understand all the teachings therein, but simply to believe them. And he CCC is written in such a way that an adult of average intelligence should be able to comprehend its contents. If you can't follow it, maybe you should try reading the children's version - it's called YOUCAT.
Wouldnt it be fair to say are not all mens religions including yours heretical,,, something to do with the pot calling the kettle black and maybe the mother of all harlots getting a little jealous of her children
The scriptures don’t have the final say???
The scriptures came from the Apostles and OT Prophets.
Not the congregation nor the choir etc.
Protestants are the daughters of the RCC, the harlot of Revelation.
The original Church protested nothing.
The RCC debunked the original Church.
You completely ignore 1Tim 3:15 because it contradicts your false doctrine that the Scriptures are the one and only source of truth and authority.
So anyone in the modern church is the final authority or certain elected individuals have the final authority above scriptural authority?
You are assuming something that has no Bible Authority. Mary was in the upper room in Acts and needed saving just as the other 120. She too was filled with the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the spirit gave the utterance.
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Further, Jesus Himself says this about Mary...
Matthew 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Matthew 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Matthew 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Soooo, does this mean that we should bow and scrape to all sisters named Mary?
You will also need to provide chapter and verse which says Mary having a glorified body in heaven already, which you are simply assuming.
It would seem that you have been deceived ... You say, "Exposing anti-Catholic lies online for 17 years" - you have wasted 17 years because in the end this is what happens...
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Revelation 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Revelation 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Revelation 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
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No, it means the Blessed Virgin Mary did the will of God, and she is the perfect model of faith. Jesus elevates all who do the will of God to her level, he is not bringing Mary down in any way. It's not the "gotcha verse" you have twisted it to mean.
The doctrine of the Assumption affirms the Resurrection, which you have not bothered to examine in any real honesty.
To apply these verses to Mary is Satanic.
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Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Yet you cannot come up with a single name of anyone who was "slain upon the earth" after the Bible was written. So you are forced to write a history of your own. The first 40 popes were killed by pagan Romans, but you will never see that fact mentioned in any of the billions of anti-Catholic web sites, the source of your ridiculous charges.
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Rev. 18:24 "And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth."
Not only of those that have been slain in the city of Rome, but of all those that have been slain throughout the empire; they being slain by her order, or with her consent, and she conniving at it, encouraging it, and therefore will be justly chargeable with it all.
No, initially they were centred in Jerusalem with Peter as the first Pope. Later the Church was centred in Rome.
The bread and wine are symbols, in that they retain the substance of bread and wine, but are at the same time the body and blood of Christ. This is a profound mystery that can only be accepted by faith (John 6:60-63).
… only if God is not present in the bread and wine.
Says you. But Jesus said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53).
Illuminator
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Thank you.
The Catechism does not run against Scripture. It is peppered with Scripture on every page. It is not a do-it-yourself manual. It wouldn't be so wordy if it weren't for the constant challenges from an ever changing world. Anti-Catholics never approach the Catechism properly.
Quite early on, the name catechesis was given to the totality of the Church's efforts to make disciples, to help men believe that Jesus is the Son of God so that believing they might have life in his name, and to educate and instruct them in this life, thus building up the body of Christ. [CCC #4]
"Catechesis is an education in the faith of children, young people and adults which includes especially the teaching of Christian doctrine imparted, generally speaking, in an organic and systematic way, with a view to initiating the hearers into the fullness of Christian life." [CCC #5]
This catechism aims at presenting an organic synthesis of the essential and fundamental contents of Catholic doctrine, as regards both faith and morals, in the light of the Second Vatican Council and the whole of the Church's Tradition. Its principal sources are the Sacred Scriptures, the Fathers of the Church, the liturgy, and the Church's Magisterium. It is intended to serve "as a point of reference for the catechisms or compendia that are composed in the various countries". [CCC #15]
This catechism is conceived as an organic presentation of the Catholic faith in its entirety. It should be seen therefore as a unified whole. [CCC #18]
The texts of Sacred Scripture are often not quoted word for word but are merely indicated by a reference (cf.). For a deeper understanding of such passages, the reader should refer to the Scriptural texts themselves. Such Biblical references are a valuable working-tool in catechesis. [CCC #19]
The use of small print in certain passages indicates observations of an historical or apologetic nature, or supplementary doctrinal explanations. [CCC #20]
The quotations, also in small print, from patristic, liturgical, magisterial or hagiographical sources, are intended to enrich the doctrinal presentations. These texts have often been chosen with a view to direct catechetical use. [CCC #21]
At the end of each thematic unit, a series of brief texts in small italics sums up the essentials of that unit's teaching in condensed formula. These IN BRIEF summaries may suggest to local catechists brief summary formula that could be memorized. [CCC #22]
The on-line pages of the Catechism of the Catholic Church are broken up into logical units, each containing the appropriate footnotes related to the text therein. These footnotes are not hyperlinked, but should be easily accesssible nonetheless.
How to use the Catechism of the Catholic Church
Numerous cross-references ... referring to other paragraphs that deal with the same theme ... allow the reader to view each theme in its relationship with the entirety of the faith. [CCC #18] To make this on-line version more usable and readable, cross-references are also hyperlinked. Numbered paragraphs with a cross-reference are hypertext linked using the paragraph number. Un-numbered paragraphs (normally titles) with a cross-reference are hypertext linked using an asterisk symbol preceeding the un-numbered paragraph. When clicked on, a JavaScript applet will be executed, opening a new window which displays the cross-reference paragraph number(s). Also note that the cross-reference paragarph numbers are presented chronologically; that is, the cross-reference numbers are provided in the order that they should be referenced.
Saint Charles Borromeo Catholic Church of Picayune, MS - Faith - Catechism of the Catholic Church - How To Read
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But Peter in Acts 3 said silver and gold he did not have. Unlike the Pope today. I think you need Acts 2:38 to make Peter your Pope first.
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