It kinda refutes the whole "perpetual virginity" of Mary that the Catholics like to go on about.
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WRONG.Those indoctrinated to see otherwise what scripture plainly testifies of, may not see it, or rather, may care not to see it.
Some of the children of Mary were named when Jesus came into His own country & at the cross.
Matthew 13:54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Now some may take the above verses as saying that it did not really say that Jesus's mother was the mother of His brethren & sisters, but we go to the cross for that confirmation.
Matthew 27:55 And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him. 56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children.
Mark 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;
So Matthew 27:56 & Mark 15:40 proves that Mary was the mother of James & Joses and other children and not just Jesus in Matthew 13:54.
Nothing in the Bible refutes her perpetual virginity.It kinda refutes the whole "perpetual virginity" of Mary that the Catholics like to go on about.
Mary was really not all that worthy of comment in the early church. In Jerome's 200 biographies of the saints and significant people in the church, Mary was not even mentioned.Nothing in the Bible refutes her perpetual virginity.
As a matter of fact - not even ONE single extra-biblical writing from the Early Church refutes it. In fact, the UNANIMOUS testimonies of the Early Church are that Mary WAS a perpetual virgin and that Jesus WAS an only child.
The onus is on YOU guys to prove otherwise . . .
As you have no answer to the points I made you now descend to insults.
Well if the bible says Jesus had brothers who would be their mother if it wasn't Mary?I think many Catholics are open to their minds being changed if proof is presented.
But all I see are quotes from the Bible that don't say Mary had other children.
I wasn't making any claims about her death.Mary was really not all that worthy of comment in the early church. In Jerome's 200 biographies of the saints and significant people in the church, Mary was not even mentioned.
About all we know about her later years, is that she died in Ephesus at age 65, and was buried at the Church of Mary, the church where the Council of Ephesus was hosted.
Scripture does not have to use that terminology. What we have already shown is that Jesus had brother and sisters. But even if Scripture used those exact words, you would deny the truth and claim that that was inserted there by someone.Scripture doesn't say that they were brothers in the flesh by birth from the same mother.
Nothing in the Bible refutes her perpetual virginity
The Bible doesn't say He had brothers. The Bible says he had "Adelphoi".Well if the bible says Jesus had brothers who would be their mother if it wasn't Mary?
READ post #42 - then give me an educated rebuttal . . .It doesn't say a lot of things in the bible. We can still infer that Jesus had siblings and did not have a stepmother. The fact of the matter is that Mary was married to Joseph.
These people who are so dedicated to trampling on the Word of God, make absolutely no sense whatsoever! Biblical history regarding Mary and her four sons and two or more daughters is so simple, even a child could understand it. And if the marriage between Mary and Joseph was not consummated, then they were never husband and wife!! They were just shacked up!!Well if the bible says Jesus had brothers who would be their mother if it wasn't Mary?
You haven't shown ONE SHRED of evidence about Jesus having brothers and sisters.Scripture does not have to use that terminology. What we have already shown is that Jesus had brother and sisters. But even if Scripture used those exact words, you would deny the truth and claim that that was inserted there by someone.
Let's face it. Catholics have substituted Mary for Christ, and that my friend is a very serious matter. Mary herself would condemn that as sacrilege and idolatry, since she recognized that her son was also her Savior. Maryolatry is idolatry, and her idols (images and statues) are in every Catholic church, and many Catholic homes.
Then refute post #42 regarding those "named adelphoi" as being the children of the "other Mary" standing near the cross.These people who are so dedicated to trampling on the Word of God, make absolutely no sense whatsoever! Biblical history regarding Mary and her four sons and two or more daughters is so simple, even a child could understand it. And if the marriage between Mary and Joseph was not consummated, then they were never husband and wife!! They were just shacked up!!
I wasn't making any claims about her death.
I was stating matter-of-factly that the bible NEVER mentions her as having "other children". I also brought up the fact that not ONE SINGLE Early Church Father EVER claimed she had any other children - not ONE.
Pay attention . . .
I already answered this in post #42.Well if the bible says Jesus had brothers who would be their mother if it wasn't Mary?
WRONG.My Bible certainly mentions her other children!! And as for what any church father said about her, they actually said nothing about her. She wasn't even given so much and an honorable mention in Jerome's biographies of the saints.
First, I proved you wrong.My Bible certainly mentions her other children!! And as for what any church father said about her, they actually said nothing about her. She wasn't even given so much and an honorable mention in Jerome's biographies of the saints.
How does this prove that Mary had other children??Matthew 12:46-50
"Who is my mother and brothers"