IS ALL SIN FORGIVEN ?

[Doug]

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Do you know what is the keyword is here? It is ALL

1 John 1:9 is for the remnant of Israel who under covenant had to confess their sins as a nation as seen in Leviticus 26:40-42

 

[Doug]

Doug,

This is what happens when you cherry pick one verse that is not in harmony with the rest of Scripture. What does 1 John 1:9 (NIV) state: 'If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness'.

Therefore, it is necessary to confess our sins to receive God's forgiveness.

The Book of Proverbs agrees: 'Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper, but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy' (Prov 28:13 NIV).

Oz

Both 1 John 1:9 and proverbs 28:13 is for the remnant of Israel. The nation of Israel as a nation had to confess their sins under their covenant as seen in Leviticus 26:40-42.

 

[Enow]

We are dead in sins and can not save ourselves.
When we trust Christ, then we are to know we are dead to sin (Romans 6:2)and should walk in newness of life being raised with him (Romans 6:4)

1 John 1:9 is directed to Israel not the church today. It is for Israel under the covenant which commands them to confess their sins as a nation...see Leviticus 26:40-42

No, it is not. This is directed to believers that are saved for why they are to walk in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son in 1 John 1:3-7

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

DNB,

You sound flaky and mystical

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This is the typical message board response of someone who has no biblical understanding of the main content of biblical revelation. You resort to name-calling because you are frustrated at your inability to discuss, ask questions, learn, and grow.
I can understand you not commenting as it will expose this inability. Much easier to call names.
If I give an extended answer you are not prepared to welcome it.

Start being reasonable, and knock off your ethereal delusion, as if you actually have a grounded comprehension of these things.

I do have much more to learn and I am about that every day.
I am pretty well grounded and settled on these things and can handle anything you have to offer or object too. Go for it and we will soon see what is what.

Keep it sound and simple, and give glory to God by doing so.

Nothing I have posted is beyond normal adult conversation. You are not so concerned for God's glory, or you would have respect for God's word and His people, not cast aspersions and seek to avoid the interaction.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I replied to Anthony's post, if you care to see my perspective on it....

I saw it and you remain in error and in defiance, having resorted to name-calling unfortunately.

You have a problem with God electing (choosing) based on his own purpose and will; Ephesians 1, and not according to mans will at all; James 1:18. He did it all based on nothing in us so there is NO boasting AT ALL; 1 Corinthians 1:26-31. This did not take place because we "accepted" (John 1:12) but was due to the fact we were enabled to by God and did so because we were already regenerated; hence "who were born" as John 1:13 answers John 1:12. You fight against these truths in order to give some of the glory to man. Scripture altogether rejects such a notion. Soli Deo Gloria!

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

I saw it and you remain in error and in defiance, having resorted to name-calling unfortunately.

You have a problem with God electing (choosing) based on his own purpose and will; Ephesians 1, and not according to mans will at all; James 1:18. He did it all based on nothing in us so there is NO boasting AT ALL; 1 Corinthians 1:26-31. This did not take place because we "accepted" (John 1:12) but was due to the fact we were enabled to by God and did so because we were already regenerated; hence "who were born" as John 1:13 answers John 1:12. You fight against these truths in order to give some of the glory to man. Scripture altogether rejects such a notion. Soli Deo Gloria!

Yes Brother, He has informed us that Catholics do not need to read the scriptures. Just listen to mother churches teaching This is so sad and I am often grieved when speaking with RC people face to face.
Often nice people who are religious but bound by false rituals that they trust in, rather than the truth of God. DNB looks as if he has put some effort into defending the false teaching church, however that will only increase his condemnation unless he repents, as you know.
James3:
3 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Yes Brother, He has informed us that Catholics do not need to read the scriptures. Just listen to mother churches teaching This is so sad and I am often grieved when speaking with RC people face to face.
Often nice people who are religious but bound by false rituals that they trust in, rather than the truth of God. DNB looks as if he has put some effort into defending the false teaching church, however that will only increase his condemnation unless he repents, as you know.
James3:
3 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Yes, it is sad. Only Satanic influence would seek to sway people away from Gods word, cast doubt upon it, mitigate it. We see this with many on this forum.

 

[DNB]

I did, because your application would put saved believers at risk when testing the spirits and yet we are told to test the spirits. 1 John 4:1-6

Is it not blaspheme to testify the spirit of the antichrist as being the Holy Spirit just as easily as saying the other way? To call evil good and good evil in regards to the Holy Spirit of what that spirit is, would make all believers not to say anything if that spirit was the Holy Spirit or not, now would it?

Not from an atheists's perspective. So your logic only pertains to one who believes in the spiritual realms.

 

[DNB]

1 John is not speaking of this dispensation of grace but to the remnant of Israel during the last days at the time of the writing and in the last days in the future (1 John 2:18). The last days or last time is the period which anticipates the coming of Christ and his kingdom on earth for Israel and the nations.
Israel had to keep his commandments to enter the millennial kingdom on earth (John 14:15 1 John 2:3 Revelation 14:12)
Israel had to believe only on the name of Jesus, that he is Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31 1 1 John 5:13).

Sorry, are your last 2 statements contradictory?

 

[Enoch111]

Both 1 John 1:9 and proverbs 28:13 is for the remnant of Israel. The nation of Israel as a nation had to confess their sins under their covenant as seen in Leviticus 26:40-42.

You continue to pervert the truth.

 

[DNB]

I saw it and you remain in error and in defiance, having resorted to name-calling unfortunately.

You have a problem with God electing (choosing) based on his own purpose and will; Ephesians 1, and not according to mans will at all; James 1:18. He did it all based on nothing in us so there is NO boasting AT ALL; 1 Corinthians 1:26-31. This did not take place because we "accepted" (John 1:12) but was due to the fact we were enabled to by God and did so because we were already regenerated; hence "who were born" as John 1:13 answers John 1:12. You fight against these truths in order to give some of the glory to man. Scripture altogether rejects such a notion. Soli Deo Gloria!

That wasn't name calling, that was pointing to the source of the error and correcting.
God's sovereignty is axiomatic to all who believe in His existence. The question is, can you harmonize this aspect of His attributes with His Word, as in His purpose for mankind? Love by definition, must be free, therefore we are to chose or reject Him. This was His intent in creating us, and in leaving His existence obscure, ...that we may seek and grope for Him (Acts 17:24-27), and so that Christ will reveal what is in the hearts of many (Luke 2:34-35).
Therefore, man decides by his own accord to acknowledge his predicament before God, and to accept God's gift of grace through Christ.

What happened to you, did you fall asleep one night as an atheist or as one outside of the Church, and wake up in the morning as a Christian somehow, by the sovereign will of God?
And therefore, are you unable to explain and expound on your faith (rhetorical)?

 

[DNB]

DNB,
.
This is the typical message board response of someone who has no biblical understanding of the main content of biblical revelation. You resort to name-calling because you are frustrated at your inability to discuss, ask questions, learn, and grow.
I can understand you not commenting as it will expose this inability. Much easier to call names.
If I give an extended answer you are not prepared to welcome it.

I do have much more to learn and I am about that every day.
I am pretty well grounded and settled on these things and can handle anything you have to offer or object too. Go for it and we will soon see what is what.

Nothing I have posted is beyond normal adult conversation. You are not so concerned for God's glory, or you would have respect for God's word and His people, not cast aspersions and seek to avoid the interaction.

Anthony, you have to put '@' before the handle of the person that you are trying to get their attention.

Why are you so difficult? BTW, I didn't resort to calling names, you exasperated me, so I called a spade a spade.

I responded to the point about God's sovereign election (which was your point before this reply)
'Well, in regard to 2 Timothy 1:9, i would simply say that it is the principle of grace that he is referring to, that was granted from eternity. Not the Elect. ...'

And then you replied,
'no....it is a holy saving grace...not a principle, but a power. You seem to describe a natural understanding that is not consistent with Spiritual life.'

So your rebuttal was just off the wall, had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and was just erratic. But, even more so, i was being so reasonable by saying that your interpretation is valid but not unequivocal, so you just picked the wrong passage to make your point. And then you come back with your absolutely unrelated comment.
Don't charge me with calling names for the sake of evasion and abuse!

 

[Nancy]

That wasn't name calling, that was pointing to the source of the error and correcting.
God's sovereignty is axiomatic to all who believe in His existence. The question is, can you harmonize this aspect of His attributes with His Word, as in His purpose for mankind? Love by definition, must be free, therefore we are to chose or reject Him. This was His intent in creating us, and in leaving His existence obscure, ...that we may seek and grope for Him (Acts 17:24-27), and so that Christ will reveal what is in the hearts of many (Luke 2:34-35).
Therefore, man decides by his own accord to acknowledge his predicament before God, and to accept God's gift of grace through Christ.
What happened to you, did you fall asleep one night as an atheist or as one outside of the Church, and wake up in the morning as a Christian somehow, by the sovereign will of God?
So that, are you unable to explain and expound on your faith (rhetorical)?

Hi DNB,
"Love by definition, must be free, therefore we are to chose or reject Him."
Decades ago, Tina Turner had said on stage one time "If a man don't want ya, ya can't make him have ya"...lol. Anything other than choice is nothing but a pre-programmed bot. What, was God up there fretting back and forth...'oh, how can I MAKE them love me...' Oh, there is no other way, sigh...I will just have to create them so or NOBODY will love me!' ?? So, why do some believe that God just had to do it this way? Meaning, purposely creating humans for either heaven or hell...before even being born. Mmmmnah, that just doesn't jive with God being all Just, Loving, forgiving, merciful, so on...I'm not even going to post the multitude of scriptures clearly revealing free will. Been there and done that WAY too many times...then it gets nasty and sarcastic...leave me out! Lol.
Good post!

 

[Enow]

Not from an atheists's perspective. So your logic only pertains to one who believes in the spiritual realms.

Now wait a minute. These were Jews that believed in God of Israel so not entirely atheists. They just believed they can live in sin and scatter the people away from Jesus because they do not believe He is their prophesied promised Messiah nor do they care to, when they want to live in power & in sin.

So I am not sure how you are disproving my application of His words when the Jews were not really atheists.

 

[DNB]

Hi DNB,
"Love by definition, must be free, therefore we are to chose or reject Him."
Decades ago, Tina Turner had said on stage one time "If a man don't want ya, ya can't make him have ya"...lol. Anything other than choice is nothing but a pre-programmed bot. What, was God up there fretting back and forth...'oh, how can I MAKE them love me...' Oh, there is no other way, sigh...I will just have to create them so or NOBODY will love me!' ?? So, why do some believe that God just had to do it this way? Meaning, purposely creating humans for either heaven or hell...before even being born. Mmmmnah, that just doesn't jive with God being all Just, Loving, forgiving, merciful, so on...I'm not even going to post the multitude of scriptures clearly revealing free will. Been there and done that WAY too many times...then it gets nasty and sarcastic...leave me out! Lol.
Good post!

Totally sounds like Tina, ...i saw her a few times myself, also!

For the sake of mitigation, their grounds seem to solely based on God's sovereignty, i.e. that not a single atom moves without His allowance and guidance.
But, I think as we both pointed out, such a one dimensional understanding completely disregards the most fundamental principles of love, i.e. admiration, attraction, desire, respect and obedience. Just to name a fraction of the many self-determined requirements, that define whether love is sincere, authentic and meaningful.
Thanks Nancy, equally, nice post!

 

[Nancy]

Totally sounds like Tina, ...i saw her a few times myself, also!

For the sake of mitigation, their grounds seem to solely based on God's sovereignty, i.e. that not a single atom moves without His allowance and guidance.
But, I think as we both pointed out, such a one dimensional understanding completely disregards the most fundamental principles of love, i.e. admiration, attraction, desire, respect and obedience. Just to name a fraction of the many self-determined requirements, that define whether love is sincere, authentic and meaningful.
Thanks Nancy, equally, nice post!

Yeah, Tina rocks, saw her once and almost saw her another time earlier when her and Ike were still "together", but it was cancelled

"their grounds seem to solely based on God's sovereignty"
Yes, and as you said before, "God's sovereignty is axiomatic to all who believe in His existence." Of COURSE He is Sovereign. Free will takes not a thing away from His sovereignty far as i can see. Hmm.

"Just to name a fraction of the many self-determined requirements, that define whether love is sincere, authentic and meaningful. <--- And, who ONLY knows this ?
Thanks Nancy, equally, nice post!" <---- Tanx

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Anthony, you have to put '@' before the handle of the person that you are trying to get their attention.

Why are you so difficult? BTW, I didn't resort to calling names, you exasperated me, so I called a spade a spade.

I responded to the point about God's sovereign election (which was your point before this reply)
'Well, in regard to 2 Timothy 1:9, i would simply say that it is the principle of grace that he is referring to, that was granted from eternity. Not the Elect. ...'

And then you replied,
'no....it is a holy saving grace...not a principle, but a power. You seem to describe a natural understanding that is not consistent with Spiritual life.'

So your rebuttal was just off the wall, had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and was just erratic. But, even more so, i was being so reasonable by saying that your interpretation is valid but not unequivocal, so you just picked the wrong passage to make your point. And then you come back with your absolutely unrelated comment.
Don't charge me with calling names for the sake of evasion and abuse!

He is not speaking of a "principle of grace". He is speaking of saving grace given to the elect.
Paul is not afraid of speaking to the people of God as the elect, as you and others are.

9 Who hath saved us,

and called us with an holy calling,

not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,

[which was given us in Christ Jesus] before the world began,

2tim2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Now it is bad enough that you do not believe it, but you seek to keep others from rejoicing in such a great blessing,Why is that?

 

[DNB]

He is not speaking of a "principle of grace". He is speaking of saving grace given to the elect.
Paul is not afraid of speaking to the people of God as the elect, as you and others are.

9 Who hath saved us,

and called us with an holy calling,

not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,

[which was given us in Christ Jesus] before the world began,

2tim2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Now it is bad enough that you do not believe it, but you seek to keep others from rejoicing in such a great blessing,Why is that?

2 Timothy 1:8-9
1:8. Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God, 9. who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

Paul is speaking about God's eternal plan that man receive His approbation and salvation, not by works of his own, as in via the Levitical Law, but by faith in His Son. This is an acceptable and viable explanation for this passage.

2 Timothy 2:10
2:10. For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory.

Why in the world does Paul say here, '...to those that are chosen...that they may obtain salvation..' clearly he is acknowledging the need to ensure the elect's salvation. The effort and his suffering is required, or they may not 'obtain salvation'. That is the implication here.
Again, an acceptable interpretation.

But regardless, I have said already, too many times to you thick-headed Reformers, that I can appreciate that there are texts that support your position, whether you were actually able to find them or not. So just the fact that you keep shoving verses in my face in order to prove your point, displays that your not listening, that you're not appreciating where the contention lies, that you are stubborn and closed minded. And, that you are completely and entirely oblivious, or in denial, of the proof-text that undermine your position. In other words, I cannot take you seriously until you're prepared to get serious, and deal with the unavoidable other side of the coin that the Bible clearly supports. At least, at a minimum, acknowledge that they are there.

Your view is naive, imbalanced and dogmatic.

 

[OzSpen]

1 John 1:9 is directed to Israel not the church today. It is for Israel under the covenant which commands them to confess their sins as a nation...see Leviticus 26:40-42

Doug,

The text of 1 John does not teach us that. You have imposed your interpretation on the text.

John writes to believers, “These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God” (1 Jn. 5:13). For John, when a person has believed on the name of the Son of God, he is born again (Jn. 3:15-16).

Here in 1 John, the one who has believed in the Son of God has “overcome the world” (1 Jn. 5:5).

John does not state he has "written to you Jewswho believe in the name of the Son of God” (1 Jn. 5:13).

Oz

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

2 Timothy 1:8-9
1:8. Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God, 9. who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

Paul is speaking about God's eternal plan that man receive His approbation and salvation, not by works of his own, as in via the Levitical Law, but by faith in His Son. This is an acceptable and viable explanation for this passage.

2 Timothy 2:10
2:10. For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory.

Why in the world does Paul say here, '...to those that are chosen...that they may obtain salvation..' clearly he is acknowledging the need to ensure the elect's salvation. The effort and his suffering is required, or they may not 'obtain salvation'. That is the implication here.
Again, an acceptable interpretation.

But regardless, I have said already, too many times to you thick-headed Reformers, that I can appreciate that there are texts that support your position, whether you were actually able to find them or not. So just the fact that you keep shoving verses in my face in order to prove your point, displays that your not listening, that you're not appreciating where the contention lies, that you are stubborn and closed minded. And, that you are completely and entirely oblivious, or in denial, of the proof-text that undermine your position. In other words, I cannot take you seriously until you're prepared to get serious, and deal with the unavoidable other side of the coin, that the Bible clearly supports. At least, at a minimum, acknowledge that they are there.

Your view is naive, imbalanced and dogmatic.

Your posts attempting to explain away bible truth prove the texts all by themself.

2 Timothy 1:8-9
1:8. Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God, 9. who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

Paul is speaking about God's eternal plan that man receive His approbation and salvation, not by works of his own, as in via the Levitical Law, but by faith in His Son. This is an acceptable and viable explanation for this passage.

2 Timothy 2:10
2:10. For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory.

Why in the world does Paul say here, '...to those that are chosen...that they may obtain salvation..' clearly he is acknowledging the need to ensure the elect's salvation. The effort and his suffering is required, or they may not 'obtain salvation'. That is the implication here.
Again, an acceptable interpretation.

But regardless, I have said already, too many times to you thick-headed Reformers, that I can appreciate that there are texts that support your position, whether you were actually able to find them or not. So just the fact that you keep shoving verses in my face in order to prove your point, displays that your not listening, that you're not appreciating where the contention lies, that you are stubborn and closed minded. And, that you are completely and entirely oblivious, or in denial, of the proof-text that undermine your position. In other words, I cannot take you seriously until you're prepared to get serious, and deal with the unavoidable other side of the coin, that the Bible clearly supports. At least, at a minimum, acknowledge that they are there.

Your view is naive, imbalanced and dogmatic.

Your posts and avoiding of truth need no commentary.

There is no "other side " of these truths. There are those who understand and believe, and those who do not. I and other confessional believers have seen these truths and believed them.
It is like believing the trinity...there is no other side. There is truth and error....no considering Christ denying ideas as viable.

Titus 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

There it is again....

It does not say anything about those who accept anything, it speaks of the faith of God's elect, about their salvation promised before the world was, but now manifested.

Notice, It is plainly stated, no mental gymnastics as you and others employ....Just bible truth written straight out to believers who welcome it.