Are You Free From The Law?

[Eternally Grateful]

This is the test of whether we are good or bad. If I use that test on myself then I ask myself:
Have I ever lied? Yes.
Have I ever taken something that does not belong to me? Yes.
Have I ever used God's name as a swear word or said OMG? Yes.
Have I ever looked at a woman with lust or viewed pornography? Yes.
Have I honoured my mother as I should have? No.
Have I ever been envious or jealous of what other have or their position in the church? Yes.

So, I have to say that I am a liar, thief, blasphemer, covetous, dishonouring of parents, and an adulterer at heart. Therefore I am actually a bad person and when I come up for judgment I will be found guilty.
So, how am I going to avoid the eternal penalty for my badness in breaking all those Commandments and falling short of God's holy standards. How am I going to escape the justice of God?

That is the big question.

And this is just using the ten commands. There are so many more sins out there which are not covered by the ten. So imagine how really sinful we are..

And yes, How do we escape the judgment of God, being sinners? by being Good? Wait. We already said we were sinners. Being good will not help. and are we really good? Who's standard of Good are we using to determine if we are truly righteous people or not?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So explain why Paul warns believers in Gal 5 that their sins can lead them to eternal damnation?

Your first mistake is assuming every person in every letter written to any church are true believers.

Anytime you assume something, its usually not a good thing.

The question you need to answer is this. Which sin did Jesus not pay on the cross. And when you figure it out. Let me know. So I make sure I do not commit that unpardonable sin. which has no hope of ever being forgiven.

the second thing I wish you would do. Is explain how you. who according to the law. are cursed with the curse of death, think you are better than anyone else. who is under the same curse of the law.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Right, so a believer can rape, pillage, steal and murder and still saved?

Did grace cover the sins of Judas? Nope

1. Judas never believer, As jesus said, he was an unbeliever from the begining, even called him the son of perdition. If Judas believed in Christ as savior, he would have been saved,
2. Your strawman using these sins is meaningless. All sin is equal.. just because you think it is ok for you to lie, steal, and disobay the government, and even know what to do, yet not do it, which the bible calls sin, and think you are ok because you continue to do those sins, but those people, those people do not deserve salvation (neither do you buddy!!!!!)

well continue to excuse your sin, and puff yourself up your not like those sinners. remember who Jesus said went home justified.

as for me, I will let God be the judge, He came to save not judge, I am told to follow his example..

 

[Giuliano]

And this is just using the ten commands. There are so many more sins out there which are not covered by the ten. So imagine how really sinful we are..

And yes, How do we escape the judgment of God, being sinners? by being Good? Wait. We already said we were sinners. Being good will not help. and are we really good? Who's standard of Good are we using to determine if we are truly righteous people or not?

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

 

[Elihoenai]

these were false teachers

It was these same people paul rebuked in Galations

If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. Abraham circumcised himself and his household, as Elohim/God commanded. You must follow the works of Abraham and circumcise.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We can indeed "sin our self out of grace", and "Grace is no longer grace" because there is no grace left!

Sin destroys grace. The opposite of sin - holiness, righteousness, good works - increases grace.

ok so grace, unmerited favor is limited

That means that grace, unmerited favor. can me merited.

That means grace is no longer grace

take 2 people

1 person has a lifetime of 10,000 sins.

the other person has a lifetime of 1000 sins.

who is more worthy of salvation? Considering the first person has a debt of 10,000 sentences of death against him, and the other has 1000 sentences of death against him. Is one really more worthy? Does one deserve to have all of his 1000 death sentences commuted (forgiven) because he did not have 10,000? or are both under the judgment of God.

The fact is. Only 1 sin makes us worthy of death. That one sin places us under the judgment of God. no matter what that sin was. The sin of Adam, look how it affected himself (death the moment he ate) and the earth. We still suffer from that one sin.

God has a standard. That standard is perfection. Anything under that dividing line is total darkness, It does not matter what position a sinner has under that line, You can not see it, From the greatest sinner, to the least greatest sinner, AL fall under that standard of the glory of God. thus ALL have against them the penalty of death.

remember, the penalty of sin is death, it does not name which sins cause death and which are ok. It sayd the penalty of sin, period.

what is the solution to the problem of sin?

But the GIFT OF GOD is ETERNAL LIFE. in CHRIST JESUS (the cross)

why do you not do yourself a favor and drop religion. and receive Christ? That's your only hope bro. All this religious stuff? Its like dirty rags to God.. You want to hand him a glass of water with a few drops of urine in it (the few sins you have committed) or would you rather hand him a glass of water which has been purified by God himself?

 

[Elihoenai]

no

Because the united stated did not get circumcised in order to gain salvation like the jews did

If you are circumcised, you are a debtor to do the whole Law. United States is a Circumcised Nation.

 

[Cooper]

What!! Who says???

Unless your god/s are the local police force.
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[Cooper]

If you are circumcised, you are a debtor to do the whole Law. United States is a Circumcised Nation.

Chapter and verse?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

thats why the law is so dangerous, when we focus just on commands in the law. We forget there is so much out there that is considered sin.

Its like, Ok, I keep the ten commands, Yet when I am driving down the highway, I do 75 in a 65 speed zone, breaking the law. and that's ok. I am not a sinner.there are so many sins we do not even think are sins, that the more we get to know Christ, the more sinful we realise we really are. That is what paul experienced. That is what many people I know have experienced.

If you are growing and you do see this, I have to wonder, are you really growing? Because God will expose our hearts.

That kept paul running the race. and stopped him from being so proud of how good he was..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. Abraham circumcised himself and his household, as Elohim/God commanded. You must follow the works of Abraham and circumcise.

Galatians 5:2-3
Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.

 

[Giuliano]

If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. Abraham circumcised himself and his household, as Elohim/God commanded. You must follow the works of Abraham and circumcise.

The true circumcision is of the heart.

Psalm 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

If someone finds circumcising the heart impossible, by all means let him circumcise the male member. If he still wants to offend using his penis, he could cut it all off.

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you are circumcised, you are a debtor to do the whole Law. United States is a Circumcised Nation.

yes

if you do this to become saved

once again, the united states did not teach this gospel. that you must be circumcised to be saved

 

[Elihoenai]

That is just silly.
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Jews are Circumcised according to the Flesh and, therefore, are debtor to do the whole Law. @Cooper, Are you disagreeing with Scripture?

 

[Paul Christensen]

Unless your god/s are the local police force.
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Did you know that Paul says the police are the servants of God and they don't carry their weapons in vain?

 

[Elihoenai]

The god of the Pharisees is the father of lies. See Jesus in John 8:39 onwards.
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You appear to be brainwashed by False Doctrine. You reveal yourself to be a Lying Marcion.


Marcionism

Marcionism was an Early Christian dualist belief system that originated in the teachings of Marcion of Sinope in Rome around the year 144.[1]

Marcion was the son of a bishop of Sinope in Pontus. About the middle of the second century (140–155) he traveled to Rome, where he joined the Syrian Gnostic Cerdo.[2]

Marcion believed that Jesus was the savior sent by God, and Paul the Apostle was his chief apostle, but he rejected the Hebrew Bible and the God of Israel. Marcionists believed that the wrathful Hebrew God was a separate and lower entity than the all-forgiving God of the New Testament.

Marcionism - Wikipedia

 

[Cooper]

You appear to be brainwashed by False Doctrine. You reveal yourself to be a Lying Marcion.


Marcionism

Marcionism was an Early Christian dualist belief system that originated in the teachings of Marcion of Sinope in Rome around the year 144.[1]

Marcion was the son of a bishop of Sinope in Pontus. About the middle of the second century (140–155) he traveled to Rome, where he joined the Syrian Gnostic Cerdo.[2]

Marcion believed that Jesus was the savior sent by God, and Paul the Apostle was his chief apostle, but he rejected the Hebrew Bible and the God of Israel. Marcionists believed that the wrathful Hebrew God was a separate and lower entity than the all-forgiving God of the New Testament.

Marcionism - Wikipedia

I'm quoting Jesue. I even gave the scripture.
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[Cooper]

Did you know that Paul says the police are the servants of God and they don't carry their weapons in vain?

He said we are to obey those in authority over us.
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[Elihoenai]

The 1 God is rejected by most Jews. They killed God's prophets, fiddled the death of the Messiah, and they killed Isaiah for example by sawing him in half. How barbaric is that!
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2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Does that in any way detract from the Elohim/God Inspired Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament?

 

[Elihoenai]

The ten tribe sought refuge among the people of other nations, fleeing from the people we know as Jews. Thrust out of the land by their own kith and kin. Dreadful!

You haven't answered the question. Do you believe in British Israelism?