Romans 7 and 8 without confusing verses

[DNB]

Most people who say they are non-denominational belong to a congregation with the same doctrines. Like there are cessationist non-denominationalists, and continuist non-denominationalists. There are OSAS non-denominationalists, and Arminian non-denominationalists. What are your beliefs regarding these categories?

I belong to no Church, and never had. I studied with a few groups through the years, but never considered myself to belong to any single congregation, ever. My views vary between all the denominations and doctrines that you mentioned.
I am adamantly non denominational, no name comes before Jesus' name when I refer to myself. Only Christ saves, not Luther, Calvin, Rome, Presbyters, Bishops, Baptism, Pentecost, nor witness of the Holy Spirit outside of confessing Christ.
Faith in God's grace and Jesus' act of redemption, are the only names that I go by.

 

[DNB]

Again, we are talking about a person who thinks they travelled back to the crucifixion...

Did CL claim that? I remember the remark, but not who made it?
If so, then you're right, no surprise. Either way, I do believe that I have heard some radical claims coming from CL. So again, you're right, no surprise.

 

[Joseph77]

I might. I tried getting to a specific point often, as you have seen with others trying to also, I think,
and she
finally just left when her contradictions against Scripture could not be explained away by her (most of her explanations rely on other explanations that rely on other explanations.... leading to endless posts ) ....
She might just be 'old' and 'tired' ... it is difficult to find out directly concerning anyone/ any poster.... and forgetful (at best)....

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Why don't you just ask her? I can't, I believe she has me on ignore. Just ask her here in the thread.

 

[DNB]

She basically admitted she isn't sinless, because a person who attains true "sinless perfection" would be able to stand before God and see him as he really is in his true heavenly form and not die. That was the end of the discussion for me.

Yes, you're right, sinlessness is tantamount to perfection.

 

[Joseph77]

p.s. "I was crucified with Christ " IS written .... see in context in Scripture.... "before creation" ? etc ....

 

[Dcopymope]

Yes, you're right, sinlessness is tantamount to perfection.

Yes, and that should be the end of this thread in general as far as I'm concerned. This was the only thing she was honest about this entire discussion. It shows she at least has a shred of a form of Godliness in her, to not bear false witness. I just demonstrated how easily you can pick apart false doctrines such as "sinless perfectionism" with just a simple observation from scripture.

 

[DNB]

Yes, and that should be the end of this thread in general as far as I'm concerned. This was the only thing she was honest about this entire discussion. It shows she at least has a shred of a form of Godliness in her, to not bear false witness. I just demonstrated how easily you can pick apart false doctrines such as "sinless perfectionism" with just a simple observation from scripture.

Well, be prepared, she has made a lot of radical claims, that maybe where you think that you've stumped her, she may surprise you even further.
She claims to have been at the crucifixion of Christ. @reformed1689 just reminded me of it from a previous thread.
So, your apparent refutation, may require further evidence, ...at least, in this case.

 

[Dcopymope]

Well, be prepared, she has made a lot of radical claims, that maybe where you think that you've stumped her, she may surprise you even further.
She claims to have been at the crucifixion of Christ. @reformed1689 just reminded me of it from a previous thread.
So, your apparent refutation, may require further evidence, ...at least, in this case.

Oh I fully expect her to dream up some excuse, to make her self look even more foolish, that's just what stubborn people do.

 

[DNB]

Oh I fully expect her to dream up some excuse, to make her self look even more foolish, that's just what stubborn people do.

Sad, but true.

 

[onlyme17]

@CharismaticLady

Funny, I am sure you are enjoying reading these 'boys' here , talking to each others , 'about you' .......fun to watch it.

 

[amadeus]

This is flat out wrong and heresy.

You can either walk in the flesh, or walk in the Spirit. Paul said not to quench the Spirit. So the moral of the story is, to have no struggle with sin stay in the Spirit. If you can't do that, it means a lack of love for God. But if you love Him with all your heart you will stay in the Spirit and endure to the end. It is not surprising that you have a struggle. So, DT, it is only heresy to you, not to Paul.

Amen!

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

"Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matt 11:29-30

 

[reformed1689]

Amen!

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

"Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matt 11:29-30

Oh brother, more verses taken out of context. As usual from you @amadeus

 

[CharismaticLady]

I am questioning your claim of being sinless. This is impossible, and I don't mean theoretically.

Yes, we sin unintentionally, called trespasses. Leviticus 5:15. But as we forgive others their trespasses against us, God forgives us our own trespasses, making our slate clean.

 

[reformed1689]

Yes, we sin unintentionally, called trespasses. Leviticus 5:15. But as we forgive others their trespasses against us, God forgives us our own trespasses, making our slate clean.

You seem to think there is a difference between sin and trespass....sin is sin. Period.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I belong to no Church, and never had. I studied with a few groups through the years, but never considered myself to belong to any single congregation, ever. My views vary between all the denominations and doctrines that you mentioned.
I am adamantly non denominational, no name comes before Jesus' name when I refer to myself. Only Christ saves, not Luther, Calvin, Rome, Presbyters, Bishops, Baptism, Pentecost, nor witness of the Holy Spirit outside of confessing Christ.
Faith in God's grace and Jesus' act of redemption, are the only names that I go by.

Then you are a little like me. My beliefs are only what the Bible says. And if I see something in scripture that appears to be a contradiction, I ask the Father what the one truth is.

 

[CharismaticLady]

@CharismaticLady

Funny, I am sure you are enjoying reading these 'boys' here , talking to each others , 'about you' .......fun to watch it.

15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

 

[amadeus]

Oh brother, more verses taken out of context. As usual from you @amadeus

Perhaps out of your context or that of your designated group. Do you ever hear directly from God... or are you not one of His Sheep?

 

[CharismaticLady]

The verdict / confirmation of it then remains waiting.

Be careful about his lies. I never said that. I haven't a clue who did either because I didn't see it. If you find out who did and you tell DT (reformed1689), please copy me.

 

[reformed1689]

15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

Who said anything about hate?

 

[Joseph77]

Be careful about his lies. I never said that. I haven't a clue who did either because I didn't see it. If you find out who did and you tell DT (reformed1689), please copy me.

When I'm not testing a post/ statement/ message, and accept something that turns out to be wrong, woe is me...
Lies are most common everywhere - so before accepting anything, it must be passing the test(s) of truth, as written as revealed by God.
EVEN if THE APOSTLE PAUL , PETER, JAMES, etc , delivered a message -
it was TO BE TESTED before being accepted....

how much more anything TODAY .....