Romans 7 and 8 without confusing verses

[Paul Christensen]

Right, when I see people in these churches running around, flopping on the ground like buffoons speaking gibberish, I just roll my eyes. There is nothing about it that is edifying, and for all we know they could be blaspheming God. It is NOT a fruit of the Holy Spirit, and if anything its a set up for the second beast that speaks "dragon", his own magic gibberish.

I will say it again. I don't care about what people in Charismatic churches do. I believe what the Holy Spirit says in 1 Corinthians 14 about the advisable and appropriate use of the gift. If people ignore what the Holy Spirit taught the Corinthians, and misuse the gift, that is absolutely no concern of mine. I know beyond doubt that when I pray in tongues I am doing it the way the Holy Spirit has clearly taught in 1 Corinthians 14. I don't go running around speaking gibberish. I get into the holy place with God and I express my heart to him with the Spirit in the language that the Holy Spirit gives to me, and I pray also with my understanding when I have the words in English to express to Him. I see my gift is a holy gift of God to enhance my personal prayer and I don't allow anyone to interfere with that, because the Holy Spirit through God's Word supercedes the authority of any man's opinion - especially about spiritual gifts where men have absolutely no practical experience.

Also the Holy Spirit has proved to me without a doubt that my language is genuine on two occasions in the very church I was a member, where tongues were spoken where the speak knew only English, and a NZ Maori lady heard her language spoken where God spoke encouraging things to her; and a visitor from Ghana heard the praises of God spoken in his own village dialect. Both people who spoke in tongues had no idea that they were speaking these languages. They were speaking in what you describe as "gibberish", but obviously the Holy Spirit didn't think so.

Also I have a personal friend who was a child in a Pentecostal church in Kenya in the 1950s. He saw bushmen who had never seen a white person before, coming into his church, getting saved, and started speaking in tongues - not gibberish, but praising God in clear, Oxford English! My friend has a very strict Reformed theology and belongs to a very conservative Reformed Presbyterian church, so he is not likely to lie or be mistaken about it.

If God hasn't given you the gift, then take care not to insult the Holy Spirit by saying that the gifts He gives to others is just "gibberish".

 

[Paul Christensen]

Doesn't mean that you don't sin.

We all sin, including you. So no surprises there!

 

[Paul Christensen]

CL Is a sinner, and she's worse than me, ..at least I admit it. Yes, I am so judging!

I am a worse sinner than you too, as that makes CL and I in the same league; but we know that Jesus has taken the penalty for our sin, and has defeated the power of it in us so that we can live in victory and not have sin dominate us. CL has made it abundantly clear that she believes that. So I just wouldn't dare to take the prejudicial mote out of your eye when I have a whole forest in mine!!

 

[Paul Christensen]

Because I don't love Jesus or God, as much as I should.

So you are in exactly the same boat as all of us!

One believer running down another sinwise is like a filthy, lice infested tramp sitting beside another filthy lice-infested tramp saying, "Take a bath. You stink!"

 

[Paul Christensen]

Throwing around buzz words like "child of God", or "son of God" means zilch, doesn't impress anyone. Adam was the first literal human child of God, look how that turned out. The angels in Genesis 6 were "Sons of God", yet they still committed an abomination. Its just words in the end.

Sooo...
You are implying that my friend is in the same category as someone who rebelled against God and brought sin and death into the world, and a group of individuals who came and had sex with humans!!

Real heeeaaavyyy man!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Because I don't love Jesus or God, as much as I should.

You don't have to give in to temptation. Reckon yourself dead to sin as Paul teaches.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Could be argued.

Do you really want to take that chance?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Throwing around buzz words like "child of God", or "son of God" means zilch, doesn't impress anyone. Adam was the first literal human child of God, look how that turned out. The angels in Genesis 6 were "Sons of God", yet they still committed an abomination. Its just words in the end.

I just repeat what God says. I find many on the forums that love 1 John 1:8, but hate chapter 3.

Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God!

 

[Truther]

Absolutely. I have been praying in the Spirit for many years, and I wouldn't be without it. It bubbles up from within when I turn my heart to the Lord. It enables me to express my heart to Him when I can't find English words to do it.

I fellowshiped with a good friend through Messenger video yesterday, whom I hadn't spoken to for a number of years, and the first thing he did was speak a sentence in tongues to me by way of greeting, and the joy just rose up in me and we both had a good laugh together. It happens when my spirit links with the spirit of a brother in love and joy in fellowship.

It is because when we speak in tongues, we are giving the most excellent praise and worship to God in the Spirit, and when two brothers in Christ greet each other this way, we are giving mutual praise and honour to the Lord in saying we love the Lord and each other in Christ. Nothing beats it.

Praise God. What an awesome story. Next best thing to being in heaven!

 

[DNB]

We all sin, including you. So no surprises there!

Who said otherwise?

 

[DNB]

I am a worse sinner than you too, as that makes CL and I in the same league; but we know that Jesus has taken the penalty for our sin, and has defeated the power of it in us so that we can live in victory and not have sin dominate us. CL has made it abundantly clear that she believes that. So I just wouldn't dare to take the prejudicial mote out of your eye when I have a whole forest in mine!!

Both of you are very bad sinners!

 

[Paul Christensen]

Praise God. What an awesome story. Next best thing to being in heaven!

That's what heaven on earth is - fellowship with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ (1 John 1:3). But, contrary to what some believe, tongues doesn't make us better Christians, because there are no good Christians, but vile people saved by the grace of God (D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones). It puts in a better place to effectively pray when we don't know how in our own language. Having all the right tools doesn't make a better mechanic, it just helps him be more successful at fixing motor vehicles.

 

[Dcopymope]

Sooo...
You are implying that my friend is in the same category as someone who rebelled against God and brought sin and death into the world, and a group of individuals who came and had sex with humans!!

Real heeeaaavyyy man!

Anyone who elevates themselves on the same level as Jesus attaining "sinless perfection" is asking for it, as they throw around cool titles as if it means something in of itself.

 

[DNB]

So you are in exactly the same boat as all of us!

One believer running down another sinwise is like a filthy, lice infested tramp sitting beside another filthy lice-infested tramp saying, "Take a bath. You stink!"

Nope, my boat is above both of yours. Only a fool and a blasphemer, would ever try to even intimate that they don't sin. On any level whatsoever. I can't even believe that we're having this conversation, entirely and categorically nonsense. What in the world is the point that you & CL are trying to make, I can't for the life of me even imagine???
What are you trying to establish?

 

[DNB]

You don't have to give in to temptation. Reckon yourself dead to sin as Paul teaches.

You're speaking in a mystical manner, not a practical and applicable one. Only wisdom circumvents sin, understanding why God prohibits it, is the beginning of desisting it. Gaining a profound understanding of the depravity and bondage of sin, is how to overcome it. Appreciating God's grace and Christ's love for God, will compel one to obey God's Word.

 

[DNB]

Do you really want to take that chance?

I meant, what you stated could be argued to be correct. i.e. Arguably, you are right, that Giggles for God is practically blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You're speaking in a mystical manner, not a practical and applicable one.

It is not "mystical," it is spiritual. You are speaking in human understanding.

These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the d]">[d]Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I meant, what you stated could be argued to be correct. i.e. Arguably, you are right, that Giggles for God is practically blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

No, calling it demonic is blasphemy.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Both of you are very bad sinners!

So you are a good person, and not a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart like all the rest of us?
You have never told a lie in your life? Never taken anything that does not belong to you irrespective of value? Never used the Lord's name as a swear word (even saying OMG)? Never looked at a person with lust?
I'll leave those answers to your own conscience.

 

[DNB]

No, calling it demonic is blasphemy.

Oh, ...well I completely missed your point on it!
Well then, let me repeat it, Giggles for God is entirely and unequivocally demonic, tantamount to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Thank you CL for clarifying, I would've hated to be misunderstood on that point!