Virgin Mary Had Other Children After Jesus

[Mungo]

Ok. If you say so. I'm done here.

I wish you were done here.
But you keep telling lies about what the Catholic Church teaches.

 

[Mungo]

A Catholic will never agree because they have their own agenda fed to them since the Catholic church took over simple Christianity and added a mix of all sorts of pagan influences. And I don't say that to deliberately offend Catholic brothers and sisters but because it is true and hopefully they will see it one day.

No it isn't true and you provide no evidence to back up that claim

 

[Mungo]

The false doctrines that I have identified are not in the Bible at all. Therefore if it ain't in the Bible then it is false and a lying fraud.

Again no evidence is provided for that claim.

 

[Pearl]

Good question.

And why would the wife of Joseph not have a sexual relation with him after Jesus' birth?
When were they told...Do not multiply?

Glory to God,
Taken

I know. And this has gone round and round for a long time and they will not be convinced by truth but choose to believe what they have been brain-washed into believing rather than God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Rat poison is 99.6% great food for rats! But it is the .4% poison that kills them stone dead.
The RCC has many good, sound, Scriptural doctrines, that many in the Church are genuinely saved. I have no doubt about that. I am not anti-Catholic. My wife was brought up and educated Catholic. I went on a site that contained the Hail Mary and other Catholic prayers, and she could recite them from memory! I heard her aunt sing "Ave Maria" beautifully, and she has a cousin who is a Catholic priest.

But, the RCC has certain doctrines that are the equivalent to rat poison for Christian believers - prayers to Mary and the Saints, worshiping the container that contains the wafer, kneeling and worshiping statues of Mary and Christ, the pagan Mass, confessing to a mortal priest instead of directly to God, faith plus works, observing the authority of the pope and following his teaching instead of listening to the indwelling Holy Spirit. Because these doctrines are killers that poison the faith of true believers, then I am in opposition to them, and can have no fellowship with those doctrines.

And this entire post is a prime example of WHY you are an anti-Catholic.

An anti-Catholic is not a person who "disagrees" with the teachings of the Church. It is a person who has to resort to telling LIES about the Church that makes them "anti"-Catholic. Your comments above in RED are LIES.

Catholics are NOT taught:
- To "worship" a container.
- To "worship" statues of anybody.
- That faith PLUS works is what saves us.

These are lies that YOU have regurgitated over and over with impunity.
It's your blatant dishonesty that makes you an anti-Catholic.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There are definite prayers to Mary that say that Christ will accept only those who come through Mary for salvation, because He will not deny any request made on behalf of sinners made to Him by her.

Then produce one.

Otherwise, just admit that you lied . . .

 

[Pearl]

No it isn't true and you provide no evidence to back up that claim

Even if I did provide evidence from the things I have read you would still say it was lies and that they - the authors of those books - had no evidence. I have the scriptures as do you but you have been taught to interpret them in a different way.

 

[BreadOfLife]

But the 2nd Commandment clearly states that we should not make any graven image and worship it, this includes images of God, Mary, Christ, or the Saints. All the images do is to form an imaginary mental image of ones own comfortable god, which is actually no god at all.

Exactly.
The 2nd Commandment states that we are not to "worship" images.

This is precisely what the Catholic Church has ALWAYS taught - your lies, notwithstanding . . ..

 

[BreadOfLife]

It is still idolatry - violation of the 2nd Commandment - worship of a graven image. Shortcut to hell.

And this is a textbook example of a lying anti-Catholic.

I just got done telling you that we do NOT worship the monstrance - and you respond with this nonsense.
For a person who is constantly citing the Commandments - maybe you should pay attention to this one:
Exod. 20:16
Thou shalt not bear FALSE WITNESS against thy neighbor.

Your hypocrisy is mind-boggling . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Foolish talk precedes your lack of UNDERSTANDING!

Ex 20:4
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

What do understand that to mean?

Presented like a typical deceitful anti-Catholic.
Ummmm, next time - try posting the ENTIRE Commandment - and NOT just the first part . . .

Exod. 20:4-6
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor SERVE (worship) them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

As I have schooled you MANY times now - if this Commandment were against the "creation" of images - GOD Himself would be guilty for commanding Moses to create Two Golden cherubim to place atop the Ark. He would have also violated this Commandment by commanding Moses to create a Bronze Serpent and place it on a pole.

YOUR problem, as always, is that you are dishonest - so you cherry-pick verses of Scripture instead of presenting them in their proper context.

By the way - YOU would also be guilty of carrying an image of yourself in your wallet as well as all of the photos on your mantle of Uncle Ed and Aunt Winnie . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Are they being 'respectful' to him or anyone else who don't believe as they do? Respect goes both ways, except I guess on this forum since apparently only those who identify as Catholic are allowed to verbally abuse others without any blow back.

This is absolute nonsense.
I've had MANY charitable discussions with Protestants on this forum who are NOT lying anti-Catholics.

Those who lie will be rebuked.
If that offends you - then don't lie.

It's really that simple.

 

[Grailhunter]

If Joseph already had a big family I wonder why they weren't required to go to Bethlehem with him to be registered in the census along with Joseph and Mary.

It is actually a good thing to consider pearl. But the only reason Christ came along was because He was being taken for ride. Odds are...and I say odds are, since we know so little of this census, children did not have to make the trip. They probably only had to register the number of children and gender. Again I am using the words odds are and probably.

 

[Mungo]

Even if I did provide evidence from the things I have read you would still say it was lies and that they - the authors of those books - had no evidence. I have the scriptures as do you but you have been taught to interpret them in a different way.

If you provide evidence then we could discuss the value of that evidence.
But if you provide no evidence then it's all your unsubstantiated opinion. This is supposed to be a discussion forum not a soapbox.

 

[Mungo]

CC:
Mungo
Pearl
Paul Christensen


Virgin Mary had other Children After Jesus.
Virgin Mary remained a Virgin.
Mary was naturally born without sin.
Mary committed no sin.
Mary was Bodily taken to Heaven.

A Catholic believes these things, and takes offense toward others who do not agree with these things.

If offence is take it is not because someone does not agree, but the manner in which they disagree.
Using words like demonic, pagan, rat poison etc does not back up claims. Evidence does.

 

[Taken]

Presented like a typical deceitful anti-Catholic.
Ummmm, next time - try posting the ENTIRE Commandment - and NOT just the first part . . .

It has already been established you and I have DIFFERENT understandings....and YOU are incapable of OF having a conversation with anyone without you First giving a personal Attack.


You require the Whole Text... then pay attention to the Whole Text...

Exod. 20:4-6
Thou shalt NOT MAKE "UNTO" THEE any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt "NOT" bow down thyself to them"NOR" serve them

SERVE (worship) them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

As I have schooled you MANY times now -

Serve does not mean Worship!

Your Namecalling and Blabbing is Not Schooling.. get a q-tip, your "self-claimed" teaching has been rejected!

if this Commandment were against the "creation" of images - GOD Himself would be guilty for commanding Moses to create Two Golden cherubim to place atop the Ark. He would have also violated this Commandment by commanding Moses to create a Bronze Serpent and place it on a pole.

Utter nonsense...
God Directing Moses....IS UNTO God...not a man's IDEA...made UNTO THEE!

Exod. 20:4-6
Thou shalt NOT MAKE "UNTO THEE" any graven image,

God DID NOT direct Anyone to make ANY "supposed" Images of God, of Christ Jesus, of Mary...UNTO HIM Or UNTO THEE...
Yet based on the IDEAS of men, calling themselves Catholics Do, make Statues, pictures, rosaries, etc.

YOUR

problem, as always, is that you are dishonest - so you cherry-pick verses of Scripture instead of presenting them in their proper context.

It is not dishonest to give an appropriate Scriptural response...you simply was not keen enough to UNDERSTAND what I presented...
and further was not even keen enough to UNDERSTAND, what you presented.

By the way - YOU would also be guilty of carrying an image of yourself in your wallet as well as all of the photos on your mantle of Uncle Ed and Aunt Winnie . . .

BTW...you pretending you know me is more of your nonsense.

 

[Taken]

If offence is take it is not because someone does not agree, but the manner in which they disagree.
Using words like demonic, pagan, rat poison etc does not back up claims. Evidence does.

And that door once swung...often begins swinging both ways.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It has already been established you and I have DIFFERENT understandings....and YOU are incapable of OF having a conversation with anyone without you First giving a personal Attack.
You require the Whole Text... then pay attention to the Whole Text...

Serve does not mean Worship!

Your Namecalling and Blabbing is Not Schooling.. get a q-tip, your "self-claimed" teaching has been rejected!
Utter nonsense...
God Directing Moses....IS UNTO God...not a man's IDEA...made UNTO THEE!

Exod. 20:4-6
Thou shalt NOT MAKE "UNTO THEE" any graven image,

God DID NOT direct Anyone to make ANY "supposed" Images of God, of Christ Jesus, of Mary...UNTO HIM Or UNTO THEE...
Yet based on the IDEAS of men, calling themselves Catholics Do, make Statues, pictures, rosaries, etc.

It is not dishonest to give an appropriate Scriptural response...you simply was not keen enough to UNDERSTAND what I presented...
and further was not even keen enough to UNDERSTAND, what you presented.

BTW...you pretending you know me is more of your nonsense.

WRONG, as usual.

First of all - the Hebrew word used in Exod. 20:5 for "serve" ('abad) ALSO means "worship".

Secondly - your claim that God DIDN'T direct anyone to make a graven image is a LIE.
The prohibition is against making and worshiping an image of ANYTHING in Heaven or on earth or in the water below.

Finally - sooooo, you don't carry a driver's license or have ANY school yearbooks with your picture or a passport or ANY photographs or paintings or statues in your home??

If you do - then YOU are guilty of YOUR flawed understanding of this commandment, Einstein . . .

 

[Joseph77]

The truth is that the RCC is a deceptive fraud, pretending to be a Christian church. There is no "sugar coating" the truth, however unacceptable that might be to some.

Since when does the carnal world care about all the deceptive groups, all the government and religious and corporate deception,
not to mention the deception from parents, children, grandparents, family, friends, acquaintences, and workers at jobs ?

 

[Joseph77]

Good question.

And why would the wife of Joseph not have a sexual relation with him after Jesus' birth?
When were they told...Do not multiply?

Glory to God,
Taken

everyone who was required to register did - big families and small families.

The penalty was too severe to disobey it - many people were slaughtered just on a whim, remember the babies?

 

[Joseph77]

Serve does not mean Worship!

In the Hebrew or Greek , etc, in many English translations, where "worship" is used, "serve" is appropriate also.

As in the whole world REFUSES to repent of worshiping demons, is equivalent to the whole world refuses to stop serving demons. (daily they do, whatever they work for, whatever they listen to and obey - they serve it, they 'worship' it, every day)