Are Protestants "saved? "

[Eternally Grateful]

When you learn to accept God's word as it is, you won't fear at all.

Thats why I fear for you. Because you have not accepted all of Gods word. just a few short passages.

No. As you have learned, and as I've shown you, God won't be giving you a theology test, and He won't care what club you were in. So long as you do his will (see Matthew 25 for details) you will spend eternity with him. So you can be saved whatever denomination you're in. I know some people take a sort of glee in supposing that those who don't agree with them will spend an eternity in Hell. But it's all foolishness.

Let God's word guide you.

Your right, he wont care what club I am in, so he will not care of I am catholic or protestant. All he cares about is whether I received his gospel in faith. or I have rejected it.

And he has shown us how we are saved, And it has been shown to you numerous times, and you reject it, All you want to do is focus on passages which show WHO true children are and what they do. Not how one became a true child.

That is why I fear for you.

 

[Yehren]

As you know, I accept Gods word that both faith and works justify one. You can only accept half of that.

There's no point in denying the fact. He tells you in detail what He cares about in Matthew 25.

And you continue to reject it, adding new things to it, to change the meaning to make it more acceptable to you.

Just take His word as it is, and follow it. And you won't be so angry about it any more. Even if you believe your new doctrines, you can still be saved, if you only do His will. But your doctrine suggests that you don't have to do the things Jesus said in Matthew25, and that could by your undoing.

Don't let man's revision of God's word lead you away from Him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm showing you God's word, not mine.

The pharisee like you quoted Gods word verbatirm, But they, like you, showed they had no grasp of the word they were reading

Just because people can speak. Type out or cut and past a passage of scripture does nto mean they KNOW what it says Anyone can do that

You just showed everyone that you accept only part of God's word and reject the rest. If you'd accept it all, and not just a few verses you think support your new doctrines, you wouldn't deny what God says in scripture.

I do not deny Gods word. I take it in context. and I take it as it is written, and I make sure it is unified

Like for example Romans 4. Paul talking to people who are trying to earn salvation by their works. Telling them we are saved by FAITH apart from works. and that works have absolutely no bearing on our salvation, that we are justified solely by faith alone

And james, Talking to hearers of the word, not doers. To people who CLAIM to have faith but has no works. People who believe, who basiclly did what we call today said the sinners prayer, because they BELIEVE jesus, yet they do not believe IN jesus (have faith) that their lack of living faith (dead faith) can not and never could save them, And they should seek their own hearts to see if their faith is real or dead. Because if they had LIVING faith, they would do the works, like Abraham, who after he was saved by faith alone (romans 4 with gen 15) did many great works of faith, His faith was not alone, Like paul said all believers will have (eph 2: 10) and like all the fathers in Heb 11 did, Their faith in God saved them, But it was not alone.

But you, you make james and paul contradict each other, or take paul out of context. saying he did nto mean no works period. even thought as I showed you, that is exactly what he said.

so yeah. I am secure, I am secure in my faith, and my knowledge

and I fear for you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As you know, I accept Gods word that both faith and works justify one. You can only accept half of that.

There's no point in denying the fact. He tells you in detail what He cares about in Matthew 25.

And you continue to reject it, adding new things to it, to change the meaning to make it more acceptable to you.

Just take His word as it is, and follow it. And you won't be so angry about it any more. Even if you believe your new doctrines, you can still be saved, if you only do His will. But your doctrine suggests that you don't have to do the things Jesus said in Matthew25, and that could by your undoing.

Don't let man's revision of God's word lead you away from Him.

yeah

Again you bear false witness

When will you stop lying about me, and in effect. stop lying to yourself

 

[Joseph77]

Don't let man's revision of God's word lead you away from Him.

Like roman religion did ?

 

[Yehren]

yeah

Again you bear false witness

I showed you what God says about how one is justified. You won't accept it. We all see that.

When will you stop lying about me, and in effect. stop lying to yourself

Just tell me that you accept that we are justified by works and not by faith only, as God tells you.

You must ask yourself why you won't do this. It could be the way out of your dilemma.

 

[Yehren]

But you, you make james and paul contradict each other, or take paul out of context. saying he did nto mean no works period.

They don't contradict each other at all. Paul never says that works don't justify one. Never. And he even says that if one does not have charity, faith is of no use at all. Would you like me to show you, again?

1 Corinthians 13:2 And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

There's no point in you denying these things. The good news for you, is that even if you persist in your error, it won't cost you your salvation, as long as you do the will of the Father.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I showed you what God says about how one is justified. You won't accept it. We all see that.

Nope you showed me james 4, where james was refuting a licentious belief only doctrine void of true living faith

I showed you what paul said in response to people who try to earn or maintain salvation by works, and you deny it.

Just tell me that you accept that we are justified by works and not by faith only, as God tells you.

You must ask yourself why you won't do this. It could be the way out of your dilemma.

I am justified by faith alone, But my faith is never alone, So in my work which precedes my living faith, I am justified by my living faith.

See its simple.. But foolish to you I know. and thats ok. God said it would be.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They don't contradict each other at all.

Your right, they do not. Only in your view

Paul never says that works don't justify one. Never.

4 What then shall we say that Abraham our fatherahas found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

sorry man, You are wrong.

And he even says that if one does not have charity, faith is of no use at all. Would you like me to show you, again?

1 Corinthians 13:2 And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

There's no point in you denying these things. The good news for you, is that even if you persist in your error, it won't cost you your salvation, as long as you do the will of the Father.

1. There you go lying again, Is that all you know how to do?

I have said people who have true saving faith WILL WORK. and here you show me a verse which PROVES MY POINT as if it proves me wrong.

again, it is for reasons like this I fear for you. You cannot even read what others say and understand them You keep posting the same stuff over an over that PROVES what they say is true, as if it proves them wrong.

 

[Joseph77]

Back on topic / op/ title:
Are Protestants "saved? "


Not if they go back to what they were saved out of.

Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us ...

Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery.
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. New King James Version Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. King James Bible

 

[FollowHim]

Thats why I fear for you. Because you have not accepted all of Gods word. just a few short passages.

Your right, he wont care what club I am in, so he will not care of I am catholic or protestant. All he cares about is whether I received his gospel in faith. or I have rejected it.

And he has shown us how we are saved, And it has been shown to you numerous times, and you reject it, All you want to do is focus on passages which show WHO true children are and what they do. Not how one became a true child.

That is why I fear for you.

"All he cares about is whether I received his gospel in faith. or I have rejected it."

This is a big sentence. Scripture is 66 books with many different life stories and experiences.
God cares about a lot more than his gospel and our faith. It is like saying a marriage is just about the piece of paper which legally says you are married.

God is concerned that we follow His will. Gods will is infinite, and has no boundaries, because it reflects who He is.
Jesus declares we will be recognised as His disciples if we love one another.

The impression the Lord gives me is once you enter in, words only describe part of the Kingdom and part of His will. So words like "all he cares about" are words of boundary and restriction, words that define who God is without foundation. I would have no problem if God declared all he cared about was faith, but as with Jonah He cares deeply for all, and about their fate in judgement and their end in destruction.

Presumption is a dangerous thing, and to be presumptious about our Lord, I would not go there. Imagine the Lord being upset with how we speak, it would be better we did not speak at all, for He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, His throne is the Highest and His judgements are true.
Praise God through Christ we have made peace with Him and desire to walk in His ways, Amen, Praise the Lord.

 

[Yehren]

Paul never says that works don't justify one. Never.

You offer this as evidence that it does:

4 What then shall we say that Abraham our fatherahas found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

But God says:
James 2: 24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

Your confusion is in assuming that your faith is to be credited to you, and not as a gift from God. But you're wrong:

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; [9] Not of works, that no man may glory.

St. Paul says that your faith is the gift of God, not of your works. St. Paul never said salvation is by faith alone. As you have seen, God says that one is justified by works and by faith. So it would have been impossible for St. Paul to have said that it wasn't true.

You seem unwilling to accept all of God's word, so we will leave it at that. May He bless and keep you.

 

[Yehren]

ack on topic / op/ title:
Are Protestants "saved? "

Yes, if they fit the description of the sheep in Matthew 25. There is no requirement for them to be of any particular denomination. If they love God and love their neighbor, they will fit the description of the sheep.

That's God's word. I believe it.

 

[Joseph77]

Yes, if they fit the description of the sheep in Matthew 25. There is no requirement for them to be of any particular denomination.

That's like saying , yes, if they are saved.

Good.

 

[Joseph77]

Yes, if they fit the description of the sheep in Matthew 25. There is no requirement for them to be of any particular denomination. If they love God and love their neighbor, they will fit the description of the sheep.

That's God's word. I believe it.

Like Jesus says, denominations do not save a soul.
Especially Catholicism.

But, out of every group of people, God has said He takes out of them some for Himself, for His Own Testimony.

 

[Yehren]

Yes, if they fit the description of the sheep in Matthew 25. There is no requirement for them to be of any particular denomination.

That's like saying , yes, if they are saved.

You have it. God saves who He will. And he decides by what is in your heart, not what your theology might be.

 

[Yehren]

Like Jesus says, denominations do not save a soul.

Especially Catholicism.

That's not what God says. You are no less likely to be saved as a Protestant than as a Catholic.

 

[Joseph77]

That's not what God says. You are no less likely to be saved as a Protestant than as a Catholic.

It's exactly what God says.
Those who produced a false gospel, are anathema for bringing it.

Some Protestants rejected and still reject the false Gospel.

Those that bring a false gospel are also anathema.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Paul never says that works don't justify one. Never.

You offer this as evidence that it does:



But God says:
James 2: 24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

Your confusion is in assuming that your faith is to be credited to you, and not as a gift from God. But you're wrong:

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; [9] Not of works, that no man may glory.

St. Paul says that your faith is the gift of God, not of your works. St. Paul never said salvation is by faith alone. As you have seen, God says that one is justified by works and by faith. So it would have been impossible for St. Paul to have said that it wasn't true.

You seem unwilling to accept all of God's word, so we will leave it at that. May He bless and keep you.

Yet he did in romans 4, He did in eph 2 , Where he stated plainly, We are saved FOR WORKS. not BY WORKS.

and here you go, another one for you
Titus 3: 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us,

Here it is clear. None one good work helped us to be saved, We were SAVED soleley by Gods mercy. how?

through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Yep no works.

James 2 is your worse nightmare my friend. Because you refuse to interpret it correctly

 

[Yehren]

I understand that you don't believe that we are justified by works as well as faith. But God says we are.

James 2: 24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

I'm going with His opinion. Why don't you make one last post, denying what He says, and then let it go?