GOOD!
So you know, or believe something that the Bible says!
GREAT!
Now what ?
Let's move on to something else.... shall we ?
Bible verses most Christians refuse to believe
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So you know, or believe something that the Bible says!
GREAT!
Now what ?
Let's move on to something else.... shall we ?
I think if you want to talk to someone who sins willfully, and admits it,
look for that guy in gay-pants, with homosecual approval in is posts.
We all need to work out our own salvation, marks. The reason I posted this thread is because I believe it is indicative of the great falling away. If you still do not believe these passages of the Word of God in these scriptures, that is up to you. I'm not saying it will fit everyone's lifestyle, because it won't fit into the carnal lifestyle of the world. I can only try to make people think who is their real Master/master.
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Actually, I was hoping to discuss with someone who believes that they don't sin.
I think I must have misunderstood, and you do not claim that, is that right?
Much love!
Clearly it's not a matter of believe God spoke in the Bible.
I'm not talking about lifestyles.
Nevermind.
What does it matter if I measure up or not? Would it change the scriptures you don't believe?
?
Are you looking for someone in an auditorium that is empty ?
Or would you like maybe to speak to someone
in a full room ? (there's many many watchers, readers and posters who will be glad to talk with you , who believe they can keep on sinning and not repent)
AH!!! LIGHT GOES ON !
JESUS ! OUR SHEPHERD ! YES YES YES YE YE YE YES !
Not just LISTEN to HIS VOICE and DO (be a hearer and a doer)
< but also bring everything to Him, or the Father, as needed, all day long....
COOL !
Well it would mean you are not saved, so that invalidates your interpretation.
I was hoping to discuss soteriology and the new creation with someone who believe their sin ceases from their life when they are reborn, or at some subsequent event that brings complete sanctification in all respects.
Much love!
AND the saved Ekklesia do not offer up their own interpretation.
Either God reveals the Truth, His Truth, His Meaning, or He does not.
We are simply to speak what we have both seen and heard from God, in Jesus.
The Scriptures I don't believe???
Right.
Given that you and I have discussed this a number of times . . . why do you find it meaningful to act as if I disbelieve Scriptures?
Do you Really think that there are parts of the Bible I don't believe??
Or, as we've discussed before, rather, that I believe they mean something different than what you think they mean?
Isn't the difference between us doctrinal, and not disbelief of Scripture?
But it does make me sound "less than" when you say that of me.
My interest is in showing the internal contradictions within that view, for those who might be considering, or may already hold that view.
Much love!
Do all the saved see all scripture the same?
The question isn't whether we are offered the truth, but how we comprehend it.
I can speak what I've learned and it will be different from how some other believer reads it.
I've heard some say that being in Christ means that we do not sin, because in Christ is no sin.
The error with this statement is that we are in Christ being born again.
So anyone who would say that they "don't measure up", but asserts that if we are in Christ, we do not sin, must not be in Christ.
I ask, are you then sinless? No sin in your life at all?
If the answer is yes, completely sinless, well, I've only come across one person ever who boldly asserted that. In that person, as I discussed this with them, and these internal contradictions were revealed, they became quite angry with me, to the point of telling lies attempting to discredit me. So much for that claim!
More often it's just alluded to, I hear people speaking/writing carefully, in such a way to allow others to "draw their own conclusions", in otherwords, making the claim, but with deniability.
One poster here I know that does that pretty much just fades into the woodwork when I start to question this, attempting to bring their claims into the light.
I don't like shadows. I don't like a lack of clarity. I like things to be clearly seen as they are, no hiding, plain, bold.
If the answer is no, not sinless, then this is tantamount to saying, not in Christ, and therefore, Biblically, not saved. Without the Spirit. And therefore not able to speak with understanding of the Scriptures, or of God.
So there it is. If you teach this, if you think this, there's an irreconcilable contradiction, unless, that is, you are sinless.
True understanding of the Bible will bring harmony with all passages, including those that teach our sanctification is ongoing throughout our lives.
Much love!
The error with this statement is that we are in Christ being born again.
So anyone who would say that they "don't measure up", but asserts that if we are in Christ, we do not sin, must not be in Christ.
I ask, are you then sinless? No sin in your life at all?
If the answer is yes, completely sinless, well, I've only come across one person ever who boldly asserted that. In that person, as I discussed this with them, and these internal contradictions were revealed, they became quite angry with me, to the point of telling lies attempting to discredit me. So much for that claim!
More often it's just alluded to, I hear people speaking/writing carefully, in such a way to allow others to "draw their own conclusions", in otherwords, making the claim, but with deniability.
One poster here I know that does that pretty much just fades into the woodwork when I start to question this, attempting to bring their claims into the light.
I don't like shadows. I don't like a lack of clarity. I like things to be clearly seen as they are, no hiding, plain, bold.
If the answer is no, not sinless, then this is tantamount to saying, not in Christ, and therefore, Biblically, not saved. Without the Spirit. And therefore not able to speak with understanding of the Scriptures, or of God.
So there it is. If you teach this, if you think this, there's an irreconcilable contradiction, unless, that is, you are sinless.
True understanding of the Bible will bring harmony with all passages, including those that teach our sanctification is ongoing throughout our lives.
Much love!
No.
Some of , or many of the *potentially* saved, do not hear Jesus nor the Father. Or do not listen to Him,
or do not have enlightenment (like Peter did, and the two on the road to Emaus, and all those noted and described in the New Testament),
so they may differ as they offer carnal or imperfect knowledge instead of God's revealed knowledge and/or spiritual truth.
When the Father reveals the Truth, Salvation, or Scripture (the Father's Meaning)
it is always perfectly in union with all that He reveals, with no contradiction, not even one iota different.
He is, remember, Perfect,
and Perfect in Wisdom, and in all that He Does.
Well, if all true Christians agree on theology then there must be about three true Christians...
We hope.
When Jesus returns, He Says, Will He Find Faith on Earth ?
(not at all related to theology though - there are massive crowds in agreement with different theologies)
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