Are Protestants "saved? "

[Eternally Grateful]

You are a very confusing person. On one hand you say we do works for something in return but then say I will fail if I try to be saved by works. I think you are saying we are not saved by works alone? If that is what you are saying I agree with you and I have never contested that

You can’t understand because it goes against you thinking

salvation is the topic, not earning rewards as children of God

when you understand this it falls into place

 

[Marymog]

You can’t understand because it goes against you thinking

salvation is the topic, not earning rewards as children of God

when you understand this it falls into place

Soooo no explanation for your contradicting statement? It’s my fault??? Fascinating

 

[FollowHim]

Ask Jesus:

He says that what matters is loving God and loving your neighbor, and doing the will of the Father.

That's the Gospel. Your theology will not save you. Doing what Jesus says will save you.

I like the way you put it. Jesus says we are to believe Him, follow Him, love Him, obey Him, let the Holy Spirit cleanse us and purify us.
Intellectual belief and agreement is not action, it is putting facts outside ourselves and then keeping our hearts separate and working out a theory.

In Christ this is impossible. We are not neutral. When we let the Lord in and He changes us, we cannot speak and do as we did before or even see things in that way. It is like seeing a child of another family, they are cute but they are not embedded in ones heart. Seeing ones own child who came from the relationship with your wife, and knowing the birth and all the struggles is different. One responds because that is who one is, embedded in the relationship.

If one can talk about works, like something one does, rather than a response to a need, something is wrong. Works are not done to prove something, they are because our hearts see a need and want to answer. So Peter saw Jesus was the Christ and said it, but he had not yet saw the price or the commitment this meant, but saw the victorious overcoming of the romans that was just about to happen. What Peter did not expect was death and resurrection, defeat through submission, but victory through sacrifice. An eternal kingdom founded on an eternal principle of love above all else, even against false accusations and people embedded in power and dominion.

Jesus was not avoiding the pharisees, he was waiting for the time when His disciples knew who and what He was. Only then could love demonstrate its sacrifice and victory. These forums are no different, some come to dominate and correct others because they define truth and put the heretics in their place. Jesus comes to demonstrate His nature and submit to the needs displayed and die as a sacrifice to those who wish to dominate to appease their insecurities. God bless you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Soooo no explanation for your contradicting statement? It’s my fault??? Fascinating

I did not contradict myself

it just went over your head

I am talking about the gift of god

your talking about rewards

see the difference

 

[FollowHim]

Soooo no explanation for your contradicting statement? It’s my fault??? Fascinating

Some like to define their position as truth and the other parties as deluded, dullards.
But often the boundaries are not that clear cut, and both have much to share and appreciate.

I am always impressed that Jesus said we are to listen to the pharisees and their enthusiasm but not to follow their hypocritical behaviour, preaching obedience while failing to obey themselves. So often things are not as they seem, and by rejecting people out of hand often dismisses oneself.

I know everything I do has a weakness, and can be improved and tailored to the listener to benefit both parties. But some just want to create this conflict, so they dominate and push the others out of the way. Jesus did not do this. He desired people who spoke and listened from the heart, and the rest just get in the way. God bless you

 

[Marymog]

You can’t understand because it goes against you thinking

salvation is the topic, not earning rewards as children of God

when you understand this it falls into place

Salvation is the reward....you can’t separate the two. God GUARANTEES reward

 

[Joseph77]

Salvation is the reward....you can’t separate the two. God GUARANTEES reward

God GUARANTEES JUDGMENT TOO.

 

[Marymog]

God GUARANTEES JUDGMENT TOO.

AND your point is???

 

[Yehren]

You are a very confusing person. On one hand you say we do works for something in return but then say I will fail if I try to be saved by works. I think you are saying we are not saved by works alone? If that is what you are saying I agree with you and I have never contested that

Yes.
1 Corinthians 13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [2] And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [3] And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

 

[Joseph77]

AND your point is???

Judgment is guaranteed for you.
It is written in Scripture that the reward (the payment) for disobedience, for sin, for unbelief, is death.

 

[Yehren]

Legalism is a term given to those who attempt to gain Gods salvation by a set of legalistic ritualistic terms

you can not even interpret that right,

I don't suppose the Pharisees thought they were being legalistic, either. Whether you use "the law" or "faith alone" or any other legalistic ritualistic term, it's all the same.

 

[Joseph77]

The Sin of Unbelief - C. H. Spurgeon - Bible Bulletin Board
The Sin of Unbelief  -  C. H. Spurgeon
I will attempt this morning, for a little while, to show the extremely evil nature of the sin of unbelief. 1. First the sin of unbelief will appear to be extremely heinous when we remember that it is the parent of every other iniquity. There is no crime which unbelief will not produce.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Salvation is the reward....you can’t separate the two. God GUARANTEES reward

No salvation is not a reward

It’s the gift of God

you just nullified the reason of the cross, good going

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't suppose the Pharisees thought they were being legalistic, either. Whether you use "the law" or "faith alone" or any other legalistic ritualistic term, it's all the same.

It does not matter

they were legalistic, and your just like them

 

[Joseph77]

"The Sin of Unbelief


January 14, 1855
by
C. H. SPURGEON
(1834-1892)

This updated and revised manuscript is copyrighted ã 2000 by Tony Capoccia. All rights reserved.



“The officer had said to the man of God, ‘Look, even if the LORD should open the floodgates of the heavens, could this happen?’ The man of God had replied, ‘You will see it with your own eyes, but you will not eat any of it!’” [2 Kings 7:19]


One wise man may deliver a whole city; one good man may be the means of safety to a thousand others. The holy ones are “the salt of the earth,” the means of the preservation of the wicked. Without the godly as a safeguard, the race would be utterly destroyed. In the city of Samaria there was one righteous man--Elisha, the servant of the Lord. Godliness and holiness was completely extinct in the court."

 

[Joseph77]

AND your point is???

Ephesians 2:9 New Living Translation (NLT)
9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.

 

[Marymog]

Judgment is guaranteed for you.
It is written in Scripture that the reward (the payment) for disobedience, for sin, for unbelief, is death.

Ok....did someone post anything opposite of that?

 

[Joseph77]

CJB
Then God’s shalom, passing all understanding, will keep your hearts and minds safe in union with the Messiah Yeshua.

AMPC
And God’s peace [shall be yours, that tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and being content with its earthly lot of whatever sort that is, that peace] which transcends all understanding shall garrison and mount guard over your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.

biblegateway dot com
Philippians 4

God's Promise to THOSE WHO ABIDE IN JESUS, not in a form of religion without truth nor power.

 

[Marymog]

No salvation is not a reward

It’s the gift of God

you just nullified the reason of the cross, good going

Salvation is not a reward for obeying the commandments and doing good works???

Jesus disagrees with you: Mark 10:19-21

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thank ya troll

You the second catholic person who called someone who disagree with them trolls

nice going