Are Protestants "saved? "

[Eternally Grateful]

I am astonished at your accusation. You claim I am trying to earn a gift, and am mocking the son of God.
I have to laugh, because it suggests you know what you are saying and you know me.

Some criticise pompous words, but I just suggest this is way beyond your pay grade.
But maybe this is your style, the full frontal attack approach.

Do you know what belief in Christ is? It is in meeting Him, knowing His heart and what He addresses each and every day. You are right about one thing. Each time we come to Jesus we are always in need, always poor and needing to be filled and encouraged. Gods people are not tax collectors though, they are saints who know how to follow Jesus and love those who hate them. I feel sorry for those who come to Jesus and stay at the gate because they will not let Him into their heart and change them. Nothing has any value unless the defences are down and the Holy Spirit can work and dwell in their hearts. To let go and let God is tough, because we admit we no longer have control.

God bless you

You claim your earning salvation as a reward

Instead of criticizing me for calling you out for what you said

Why do you not contemplate what you have stated and see how I came to the conclusion I have?

And take your attitude and put it in the fire man

If you cant back up your own belief system, Don't attack the person trying to show you it

 

[FollowHim]

The son was still the son, even though he left his fathers house. He has his fathers blood in him, thus he never stopped being the fathers son.

What he left behind was the benefits of having his fathers blessings to help him live his life on earth.

He always had his fathers inheritance. proven by the fact when he came back, He was welcomed home as a still loved son, Not a cast out slave

The prodigal son was dead, lost, doomed.
The point of the story was the son spent the fathers inheritance, and the father could have rejected him.

I have heard others speak like you, saying the prodigal son was not lost or dead, just temporarily on holiday.
No holiday maker is dead or lost, but if you want to change a parable to placate your theology, it is your choice, but it is not what Jesus is saying. It demonstrates what dominates your thinking above scripture. God bless you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Never said I didn't.
But you did not find the first post > key word : condemn , did you ? hint: i

YOU just in this post POINT OUT what? "the actions of the CC".
THAT is enough for them to be condemned.
The log in anyone else's eye will not at all, ever, release them from their eternal condemnation.

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How can I take you serious when you lie about what you have plainly said?

Whose post was this? It was Not marymog's. it was your response to her. After she responded to me.

 

[Joseph77]

How can I take you serious when you lie about what you have plainly said?

Whose post was this? It was Not maryxxx's. it was your response to her. After she responded to me.

It was, and remains that one, as you now admit here.
I QUOTED THAT one. Can you ?

p.s. you keep lying about what I post, you continue to bear false witness in most posts. What religion are you ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The prodigal son was dead, lost, doomed.

He was still the son. He never stopped being the son, You can not break sonship. Your fathers blood does not stop flowing in your viens

The point of the story was the son spent the fathers inheritance, and the father could have rejected him.

I have heard others speak like you, saying the prodigal son was not lost or dead, just temporarily on holiday.
No holiday maker is dead or lost, but if you want to change a parable to placate your theology, it is your choice, but it is not what Jesus is saying. It demonstrates what dominates your thinking above scripture. God bless you[/QUOT

th epoint of the story is the son thought he could handle life on his own with what the father gave him, And he soon realised how wrong he was. And as with ALL TRUE CHILDREN they realise they can not do it on their own, and they need to return.

A non christan would have stayed in the world. because that was his desire to begin with

What you are demonstrating is your lack of understanding of sonship.

If your going to talk to me, Please just tell me your view. Stop with the accusations and rude comments. it does not fit you, and makes you appear arrogant.

 

[Nancy]

Working in their salvation or working out their salvation with fear and trembling is a wise person.
There are some that hate the idea we need to show ourselves worthy of the cross and the way of Christ.

But I would say church history demonstrates many claim a lot but deliver only the worlds ways and its wisdom.
If the punishment of unbelief is the lake of fire, and the blessing of salvation being with Jesus there needs to be a distinction between the two groups.
1. Confession of Christ
2. Belief in Jesus
3. Repentance
4. Love from the heart
5. The fruit of love in actions and words
6. Love of the people of God
7. Following Gods will and ways.
8. Forgiveness of others

This list covers most of the areas needed. But it is not a tick box list, it is a reflection of meeting Jesus and following Him.
I know many know the idea of being good, but not the how of sin and repentance, of faith and love, so wish to behave how christians should behave but never actually from who they are or how they interact, just to appear that is how they should be.

To me this is what lost means. Appearing one way but being another, as if God made us like this and intended life to be slaves to sin.

Hi FollowHim!
"Working in their salvation or working out their salvation with fear and trembling is a wise person."

Yes, for sure. We are told to work out our own salvation so...we can only work out what is worked in and, IMHO, this is where we, as individuals come in where our spiritual growth is concerned. IOW - We now have "Christ Life" inside of us so His life must be lived through us more and more.

"But I would say church history demonstrates many claim a lot but deliver only the worlds ways and its wisdom."

Yes, it is quite prevalent in the Church's of today. It's like denying that God and His Spirit alone will not bring those to Him who will have ears...lights, smoke, drums...all worldly. Yet!...it does bring in the younger and middle aged so, this could be the "right/left hand of God" thing @amadeus speaks of?
Either way"
18 "But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice," Phil, 1:18

Maybe not a "tick box" but, a great start! :)
I enjoy your posts :)
God Bless you and yours,
nancy

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It was, and remains that one, as you now admit here.
I QUOTED THAT one. Can you ?

so now you admit I was right and you did say condemn?

after how many posts of claiming you did not?

 

[FollowHim]

You claim your earning salvation as a reward

Instead of criticizing me for calling you out for what you said

Why do you not contemplate what you have stated and see how I came to the conclusion I have?

And take your attitude and put it in the fire man

If you cant back up your own belief system, Don't attack the person trying to show you it

Earnt means doing something that triggers another event.
Without faith we have no salvation, with faith we are saved.
Now faith is a gift from God, revealed to our hearts by the Father.

The gift of faith maybe given to all on hearing Gods word.
Jesus said His word was the seed, and it just fell on the hearts of the listeners.
But this gift can be rejected.

Now is having faith and responding earning salvation or recognising the truth?
The problem with the word earning salvation this is linked to obedience and self righteousness justifying salvation.
So this meaning is problematic, because our obedience and fruit from the heart come from letting Christ in and recognising who and what He is. It is even more complicated because this is the work of God not of man, as we are born again by the Holy Spirit.

Do you know graciousness, gentleness, love and self control? These are fruits of the Spirit, by which we walk in Jesus Christ our Lord. God bless you

 

[Joseph77]

Hi EG,
Yes, both were in sin. I realize you could not know this unless you have read every single post of mine from the past HOWEVER I have routinely condemned the actions of ALL the men/women who killed in the name of Christ. It doesn't matter if they were Protestant or Catholic I pointed out and condemned both.
Sadly, on this forum, people want to only point out the actions of the CC and ignore the log in their own eye.
Peace....Mary

i.e. as in , 'peace, peace, where there is no peace.

EG? Care to start again ?

Learning what is and was posted, what it means, and not what you assumed in greater and greater error.

 

[Joseph77]

so now you admit I was right and you did say condemn?

after how many posts of claiming you did not?

Why are you lying again ?
Who does the condemning ?
Why are you being so continually adamant in your blatant errors ?

 

[Joseph77]

You claim your earning salvation as a reward
Instead of criticizing me for calling you out for what you said
Why do you not contemplate what you have stated and see how I came to the conclusion I have?
And take your attitude and put it in the fire man
If you cant back up your own belief system, Don't attack the person trying to show you it

So, it is not just me you lie about, and bear false witness against, blatantly ?
You do the same to others here too !

 

[FollowHim]

I am astonished at your accusation. You claim I am trying to earn a gift, and am mocking the son of God.
I have to laugh, because it suggests you know what you are saying and you know me.

Some criticise pompous words, but I just suggest this is way beyond your pay grade.
But maybe this is your style, the full frontal attack approach.

Do you know what belief in Christ is? It is in meeting Him, knowing His heart and what He addresses each and every day. You are right about one thing. Each time we come to Jesus we are always in need, always poor and needing to be filled and encouraged. Gods people are not tax collectors though, they are saints who know how to follow Jesus and love those who hate them. I feel sorry for those who come to Jesus and stay at the gate because they will not let Him into their heart and change them. Nothing has any value unless the defences are down and the Holy Spirit can work and dwell in their hearts. To let go and let God is tough, because we admit we no longer have control.

God bless you

I am always in wonder at some. If I am the enemy by talking about knowing Jesus and walking in His ways, who are their friends?

When push come to shove, often those who talk like cause and effect do not exist, come out and say, because people rejected Jesus they are doomed to torment in hell for all eternity. And they will say these people freely choose to reject Jesus so are guilty of the unforgivable sin. Again this is an action that receives a reward, hell.
But the opposite action, choosing Jesus, does not receive a reward, it is a gift unconnected with the choice or faith.
If this was truly so, some who reject Jesus would also be saved.

This kind of thinking is situational compartmentalisation. So in some rooms certain rules apply while in others, other rules apply. It works well as long as you do not connect the rooms, because then it all falls apart.

If judgement is true, there is cause and effect. If salvation is real through faith, faith is the cause of our salvation as Jesus declares, "Whoever believes in me will not perish but will have eternal life"
A very obvious cause and effect.

The hatred in some is that of behaviour, self righteousness, being why people are saved. This is called earning salvation, and the word earning has been made evil, so earning salvation through faith is now evil also, so it must be a gift, but as a gift, it is not chosen, it is only Gods will to give to some and not to others, irrespective of who they are. You know things have gone wrong when this mess never ends, but the anger and venom becomes very strong, like the words, mocking the son of God.

The light of Christ will always shine, and is always present in His people and on His way, Amen, God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

So, it is not just me you lie about, and bear false witness against, blatantly ?
You do the same to others here too !

I think this is a life style, it gets a reaction, and tries to provoke an out of proportion response.
When scraps start, it can be impossible to see who started it, unless one just responds in love and compassion.

I have witnessed forums descend into bad interactions because of this. Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek, and realise what is going on. Recently I realised what following we know what love is, because Jesus loved us, so likewise we should love these folk also and bear their sin and shame, for the lost do not know what they are doing and are bound to the sin that blinds their hearts.

 

[FollowHim]

He was still the son. He never stopped being the son, You can not break sonship. Your fathers blood does not stop flowing in your viens

Israel was God chosen people but they were rejected, and died in the desert, so yes, the children of God can be rejected. Paul said we are grafted into the people of God because the jews got rejected.

We are warned not to fall into the same sin as Israel and therefore end up rejected also, but it appears you do not accept what Paul is saying. God bless you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So, it is not just me you lie about, and bear false witness against, blatantly ?
You do the same to others here too !

Prove one false accusation I have made against anyone

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Israel was God chosen people but they were rejected, and died in the desert, so yes, the children of God can be rejected. Paul said we are grafted into the people of God because the jews got rejected.

We are warned not to fall into the same sin as Israel and therefore end up rejected also, but it appears you do not accept what Paul is saying. God bless you

Not every person of Israel was chosen

God is not done with Isreal. as we see from OT prophecy along with Rom 11, God will restore isreal as a nation of people who Love God when they repent. if anything this shoud prove Gods unwavering Grace

So we can be rejected if we fall into a certain sin.

tell me, What sin Did Jesus fail to pay for on the cross?

 

[Marymog]

i.e. as in , 'peace, peace, where there is no peace.

EG? Care to start again ?

Learning what is and was posted, what it means, and not what you assumed in greater and greater error.

???? What are you saying troll?

 

[Joseph77]

Prove one false accusation I have made against anyone

Just re-read several of your posts so far , just today.

 

[Joseph77]

So we can be rejected if we fall into a certain sin.

tell me, What sin Did Jesus fail to pay for on the cross?

Rejecting Him.
If this rejecting Him continues, in any person, they are not His, and Heaven is NOT in their life forecast.(future)

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Without faith we cannot be saved. With faith the promises hold true.

Yours is a false gospel my friend.

Salvation is in no way a reward, and faith is Gods gift, not inherent ability. Ephesians 2:8-9 completely refutes you, but there is no way you will accept its correction.

But I get it, you earned your salvation. Congrats! You did it!