Are Protestants "saved? "

[Marymog]

No

you showed where he said an unbeliever who had no works was saved by faith

i said show me where he said a believer will have no works?

it’s on you to prove he said what you claimed

Ok....I will help ya a little bit post number 90....

 

[Marymog]

Yes, there are many false preachers. In fact this happened and has continued since the beginning of the churches in the NT era, culminating in Catholics killing one another then others who exposed its error.

The apostate RCC is wholly corrupt whereas the true churches, akin to the NT churches in history have an admixture of corruption among them.

These things being true I see the RCC no different than Watch Tower Society teachings or the teachings of Mormonism which are also wholly corrupt and false.

Protestants killed Catholics , Jews and other Protestants soooo what’s your point?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nope...not mocking. Just quoting scripture that shows you how wrong you are.

Anyone can quote scripture that does not mean a thing

you gonna prove your lie?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Protestants killed Catholics , Jews and other Protestants soooo what’s your point?

Catholic killed anyone who did not agree with them for thousands of years,

so what’s your point

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ok....I will help ya a little bit post number 90....

Post 90

That's a good Protestant statement. Congratulations Mary.:)

Yeah. This proved your point what a joke

 

[Philip James]

The apostate RCC is wholly corrupt

Hello Preacher,

I guess that leaves you with Alexandria or Constantinople.. Are you a member of these?

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

If you are not in the community founded by Christ, through His apostles, where are you?

Peace be with you!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

So I am from satan?

preach these words

what does it PROFIT a man if he CLAIM to have faith but has no works. CAN THAT FAITH SAVE HIM?

1. he never said they were saved, he asked if they could be saved by a particular type of faith
2. He did not say that had some works, he said they had NONE!
3, he later declared their faith was DEAD.

For you people who think a dead faith, the same belief demons had, ever saved anyone, I am just worried beyond all worry.

Oh you of little faith ? Jesus said ? it's not good enough in fact, one must have the Faith that can move mountains ? that's the abiding faith of a born again Christian. Abiding ? = a working in Christ.

I have seen faith but I have also seen the weeds grow up and strangle that faith.

One must abide in the faith, your works are but filthy rags but as to God working in one ? that's the only worthy thing in regard as to any works, if one rejects that, then one is of Satan.

I could say, I don't want to do something as I could not be bothered myself truly, well that could be from just disregarding someone to going above and beyond ? in risking your own life! that I don't want to do it but one is compelled to by the Holy Spirit. So I put up with such or endure another who pains me but I never give up unless they are clearly not worth bothering with because they are of Satan, I have learnt that, not to cast pearls to swine.

 

[Yehren]

When your ready to talk about the rest of scripture let me know

When you're ready to accept the rest of scripture, let God know. He'll be happy to hear it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When you're ready to accept the rest of scripture, let God know. He'll be happy to hear it.

I have accepted it

you ignore it and just want to preach James

good luck

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Here is a proper handling of two alleged conflicts in Scripture concerning justification by faith and by works:

Paul vs. James? by R.C. Sproul

 

[FollowHim]

A reward is given to people who work for it

A gift is something that someone else pays for out of his own work, and his own hard earned currency

2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Here is romans 4, Paul says clearly, Abraham could not be saved by works, otherwise he could boast. Or take credit. And if he tried to be justified by Works, it is not counted as grace but as debt, Which means you owe God and you will pay. For all eternity

Salvation is a gift, It is not a work, and can NEVER be earned by works. If it could. It is not of Grace, and it is not a gift, It is a reward.

Good luck trying to earn a gift. When someone hands you a gift out of the love of their heart, and you try to pay for it, and not receive it freely. It means you did not trust them when they said they gave it to you as a gift, And by your trying to pay for it yourself. you actually offend the one trying to love you,'

Remember that when you try to pay for the gift Jesus paid for with his own blood. How offensive that is to him. and would be to anyone else.

The reward of faith is salvation.

If the idea of a reward causes rejection something else is going on. The prize for running our race is salvation of our souls.

We are to be counted worthy of Jesus. The fear is we may fail. Healthy fear is a good thing, because nothing should be assumed. Even Paul looked forward to this and hoped equally the believers he taught would find favour.

Paul expressed this in terms of impurity would lead to rejection. At its heart if Jesus is alive in a believer purity also dwells. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

Protestants killed Catholics , Jews and other Protestants soooo what’s your point?

Like mother like daughter, always trying to out do one another, there is a reason she is called the "mother of all harlots", she has lots of children sorry daughters.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The reward of faith is salvation.

If the idea of a reward causes rejection something else is going on. The prize for running our race is salvation of our souls.

sorry but this is works based legalistic salvation, it is not the gospel of God

you earn death, you wore born dead, and the moment you sinned you earn spiritual death.

look at it this way, the penalty of sin is death, how many sins of you committed in your lifetime? Each one of those sins has been imposed a death penalty, how can you Earn freedom from the death penalty by your works? I know are probably some people on death row that would love to hear about your sal action by works, they would like to be set free too. However, nothing they personally can do will cancel that debt for them,

We are to be counted worthy of Jesus.

We are counted worthy because of Jesus, he is the one who did the work, it’s his righteousness that saves us not our own

the fear is we may fail. Healthy fear is a good thing, because nothing should be assumed. Even Paul looked forward to this and hoped equally the believers he taught would find favour.

Paul expressed this in terms of impurity would lead to rejection. At its heart if Jesus is alive in a believer purity also dwells. God bless you

you should worry about how you plan to pay the sin debt by your good deeds, and why you will not rely on a God to pay that debt for you, because god will not accept anything else as payment for sin, you can feel sorry for your sins all you want, I am sure many a Jew felt bad and kept trying to work harder, and was just as mad at jesus when he told them their work is useless.

 

[FollowHim]

sorry but this is works based legalistic salvation, it is not the gospel of God

you earn death, you wore born dead, and the moment you sinned you earn spiritual death.

look at it this way, the penalty of sin is death, how many sins of you committed in your lifetime? Each one of those sins has been imposed a death penalty, how can you Earn freedom from the death penalty by your works? I know are probably some people on death row that would love to hear about your sal action by works, they would like to be set free too. However, nothing they personally can do will cancel that debt for them,


We are counted worthy because of Jesus, he is the one who did the work, it’s his righteousness that saves us not our own

you should worry about how you plan to pay the sin debt by your good deeds, and why you will not rely on a God to pay that debt for you, because god will not accept anything else as payment for sin, you can feel sorry for your sins all you want, I am sure many a Jew felt bad and kept trying to work harder, and was just as mad at jesus when he told them their work is useless.

23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men,
24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.
Col 3:23-24

35 So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.
36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.
Heb 10:35-36

6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Heb 11:6

1 After this, the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision: "Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your very great reward. "
Gen 15:1

24 The LORD has rewarded me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his sight.
25 To the faithful you show yourself faithful, to the blameless you show yourself blameless,
26 to the pure you show yourself pure, but to the crooked you show yourself shrewd
Psalm 18:24-26

8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy,
9 for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:9

12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!
1 Cor 10:12

1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.....
5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.
1 Cor 10:1,5

7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day--and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing
2 Tim 4:8

12 Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.
James 1:12

Scripture is so long because you cannot separate the difference between our response and our reward.
It is both a gift and a reward. The gift is the conditional reward. Without faith we are nothing, but without change we are lost.

The failure of the legalistic mind is things must be one or the other, ie either you earn salvation by good behaviour, or your faith results in salvation no matter how you behave. Both are extremes exclude the other aspect of who God is and how we dwell in Him.

Obviously those who are legalists and convert to faith salvation without conditions or reprecussions feel they have gone from delusion into salvation. But missing the whole by excluding the other does not mean one has arrived.

It is also why the arguments will continue except for those who find Jesus and begin to understand the tension.
Security is in knowing Him, not having a catch all no matter who or what one is. If the cross is not enough to rest in, or Gods nature and behaviour then there is nothing left. God never changes, so whatever people might believe, if it does not match with His eternal behaviour it has failed.

The Lord is strange, because He does not defend Himself, He waits for us to seek and discover who and what He is. It is the nature of love, to take the humble road, and to wait for the fluff and exhuberance to die away, and to let the walk show the path. God bless you.

 

[FollowHim]

sorry but this is works based legalistic salvation, it is not the gospel of God

you earn death, you wore born dead, and the moment you sinned you earn spiritual death.

look at it this way, the penalty of sin is death, how many sins of you committed in your lifetime? Each one of those sins has been imposed a death penalty, how can you Earn freedom from the death penalty by your works? I know are probably some people on death row that would love to hear about your sal action by works, they would like to be set free too. However, nothing they personally can do will cancel that debt for them,


We are counted worthy because of Jesus, he is the one who did the work, it’s his righteousness that saves us not our own

you should worry about how you plan to pay the sin debt by your good deeds, and why you will not rely on a God to pay that debt for you, because god will not accept anything else as payment for sin, you can feel sorry for your sins all you want, I am sure many a Jew felt bad and kept trying to work harder, and was just as mad at jesus when he told them their work is useless.

"you should worry about how you plan to pay the sin debt by your good deeds"
I talk about theological and biblical positions, not personal projections of where people are or not.
Telling me personally what I should do is only of value if both where I am and where I need to be are correct.

Do you possess the spiritual gifts and are you exercising a word of knowledge?
I suggest you keep to talking about theology and scripture, it will be more helpful, thank you. God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

The prodigal son - what was his return like.

21 "The son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son. '
22 "But the father said to his servants, 'Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet.
23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let's have a feast and celebrate.
24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' So they began to celebrate.
Luke 15:21-24

The gift was the acceptance of the son back home.
The reward was his acceptance after the son had repented of his sin and desired to dwell with his father again.

Without the son returning there was no home, only death and separation, but with being part of the household everything is back in order.

The parable shows clearly either we live in the world and its ways, or we return home and become part of the Kingdom and its ways.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men,
24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.
Col 3:23-24

35 So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.
36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.
Heb 10:35-36

6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Heb 11:6

1 After this, the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision: "Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your very great reward. "
Gen 15:1

24 The LORD has rewarded me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his sight.
25 To the faithful you show yourself faithful, to the blameless you show yourself blameless,
26 to the pure you show yourself pure, but to the crooked you show yourself shrewd
Psalm 18:24-26

8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy,
9 for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:9

12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!
1 Cor 10:12

1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.....
5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.
1 Cor 10:1,5

7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day--and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing
2 Tim 4:8

12 Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.
James 1:12

Scripture is so long because you cannot separate the difference between our response and our reward.
It is both a gift and a reward. The gift is the conditional reward. Without faith we are nothing, but without change we are lost.

The failure of the legalistic mind is things must be one or the other, ie either you earn salvation by good behaviour, or your faith results in salvation no matter how you behave. Both are extremes exclude the other aspect of who God is and how we dwell in Him.

Obviously those who are legalists and convert to faith salvation without conditions or reprecussions feel they have gone from delusion into salvation. But missing the whole by excluding the other does not mean one has arrived.

It is also why the arguments will continue except for those who find Jesus and begin to understand the tension.
Security is in knowing Him, not having a catch all no matter who or what one is. If the cross is not enough to rest in, or Gods nature and behaviour then there is nothing left. God never changes, so whatever people might believe, if it does not match with His eternal behaviour it has failed.

The Lord is strange, because He does not defend Himself, He waits for us to seek and discover who and what He is. It is the nature of love, to take the humble road, and to wait for the fluff and exhuberance to die away, and to let the walk show the path. God bless you.

the penalty of sin is death

The gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus

I know who God is, when will you become bankrupt in spirit so you too can know who God is

Your trying to earn a gift. which is impossible. and in doing so. .Mocking the very son of God.

We as children of God work to earn rewards our father wants to give us. We can NEVER earn salvation

As jesus said, blessed are the poor (literally bankrupt) in spirit. for theirs is the kingdom of God

If you do not come to him like the tax collector. You will not see the kingdom of God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"you should worry about how you plan to pay the sin debt by your good deeds"
I talk about theological and biblical positions, not personal projections of where people are or not.
Telling me personally what I should do is only of value if both where I am and where I need to be are correct.

Do you possess the spiritual gifts and are you exercising a word of knowledge?
I suggest you keep to talking about theology and scripture, it will be more helpful, thank you. God bless you

You better worry about how you will pay for your sins

If your sin debt is not paid. Theological and biblical positions do not matter.

U suggest we get the gospel correct before we get into theology and bible doctrine. Because otherwise. All the rest is mute

The pharisee was built on theology and biblical positions. Yet he sent Christ to the cross. because he rejected the gospel of faith. and tried to earn it by works. Which he THOUGHT he had accomplish

Sadly he thought wrong. (although a few like saul/nicodemus) did repent.

There is always hope for everyone, Thats what I want to share. the hope of the gospel

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The prodigal son - what was his return like.

21 "The son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son. '
22 "But the father said to his servants, 'Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet.
23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let's have a feast and celebrate.
24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' So they began to celebrate.
Luke 15:21-24

The gift was the acceptance of the son back home.
The reward was his acceptance after the son had repented of his sin and desired to dwell with his father again.

Without the son returning there was no home, only death and separation, but with being part of the household everything is back in order.

The parable shows clearly either we live in the world and its ways, or we return home and become part of the Kingdom and its ways.

The son was still the son, even though he left his fathers house. He has his fathers blood in him, thus he never stopped being the fathers son.

What he left behind was the benefits of having his fathers blessings to help him live his life on earth.

He always had his fathers inheritance. proven by the fact when he came back, He was welcomed home as a still loved son, Not a cast out slave

 

[Marymog]

Catholic killed anyone who did not agree with them for thousands of years,

so what’s your point

Ummmm.....I didn't disagree with the original post.....I just added more "truth" to it!!